Modernsoulsucks

https://cgi.ebay.com/ANDRE-MAURICE-YOURE-TH...1742.m153.l1262 Trust that helps with value. ROD

List updated for those sold and held. Angelenos WDJ added. ROD

Prices in £ in brackett. All 45s guaranteed or money back. In fact quite happy to send upfront where not Ex/M-. No scratches on any and worse VG are lines/marks kinda thing. Paypal is Modrod52@aol.com. ADD 4% PLEASE "Soul Energy" WDJ Misty Graham CRS M- Modern, old Wigan spin [10] Al Johnson "Im back for more" UK CBS EX [5] Karl Tarleton "Along came you" UNI DJ EX [20] Donnie Wells "You got my love" SCEPTER DJ Ex [30] Barbara Mercer "Hey" GW Ex [5] Vibrations "Canadian Sunset" OKEH DJ VG+ [5] Forest Hairston "We go to pieces" M- VINEY [10] Bob Wilson "Suzy serenade" WDJ Ex Sound Stage 7 [10] Admirations "Wait till I get..." One-derful VG+ [8] Girls Three "Baby I want you" WDJ CHESS M- [bit of a water stain on label but not too noticeable][15] Jamo Thomas "I spy..." TRANS WORLD M- [Canada] [10] Uptights "Academy awards of love" DJ MALA Ex Girlie stomper[20] Chantels "World of soul" Soul Kitchen M- Unknown? Good instrumental[40] Robert Moore "Jo-ann" De-Luxe DJ M- Good semi-known [40] Little Anthony "Gonna fix you good" UA [Canadian] M- [20] Incredibles "I cant get over losing....." Audio Arts Ex [10] Superbs "Better get your own....." Dore 704 DJ M- [30] Johnnie Mae Matthews "Lonely you'll be" Jam VG+[80] Bee-Jays "I'll find you" Prime VG+ [125] Sugar Pie de Santo "Be happy" Soul Clock WDJ Ex [40] Eddie&Ernie "I can't do it" Eastern Ex [10] John Ladrew "What's the matter with me" Roulette DJ Ex [15] Artistics "Price of love" Brunswick DJ VG+[10] Gino Washington "Like my baby" instr Do De Re VG[10] Showmen "The honey house" DJ Swan Ex [12] High&Mighty "Escape from Cuba" EX UK HMV DJ [30] TIPPED BY PETE SMITH [well,he took it to the Tip which is kinda the same thing!!] Bobby Miller "Im for the girls" VG+ Constellation [10] Sonics "Crescent Walk" Ex WHITE CLIFFS [75] Bobby Sanders "The way I feel" Pick-A-Hit Ex [500] Decisions "I can't forget about you" Ex A&M UK [30] Tami Lynn "Im gonna run away from you" PS French Atlantic Ex/Ex [8] Kennard Gardner "Do the skin" Dore VG+ [slight tear near centre hole] [10] Delta 67807 Mandells "Do'in the look" WDJ JUBILEE M [25] Entertainers IIII "People don't look no more" Ex DORE [delta 59379] [5] Lee Rogers "My one and only" M- D-Town DJ [10] Ernie Andrews "Fine young girl" VG+ Capitol [20] scuffs Embers "It ain't necessary" Ex Bell DJ [15] On reverse paper pressed into grooves but doesn't affect play i.e. no clicks LPS/12"s Gwendolyn Lassic "Never gonna give you up" Lassic M-[8] GQ "Make my dreams a reality" Arista EX [8] Marvin Gaye "MPG"US Tamla Vinyl M-/Cover VG+ [15] Dynatones "Fife Piper" HBR Ex/Ex [10] Capitols "Cool Jerk" Atco M-/Ex [15] Martha&Vandellas "Dancing in the street" TMG UK M-/Ex[15] Open to offers should you consider too high. Thanks ROD

Did anyone who has jumped to this guy's defence actually read what he said and wrote. It was ageist stereotyping twaddle, and I am amazed that he's been given such an easy ride. Next time all those who've agreed with him are out and they see some big guy in baggies why not have a word in his ear that he's too old and fat and by his very presence putting young people off attending regular venues. Of course as Little Stevie said it's bollocks. Age does not come into it, and Im pretty proud to say that on this scene neither does race,class or creed. I have no idea how committed to the music Paul is but as I know Mark well I will accept his view on Liam and conclude that Paul is much the same but his words were very ill-chosen. As for younger dj's being booked to attract a younger crowd I don't think it really works like that. If we put aside the "you do mine and I'll do yours" crowd then it's down to earned reputation and playlist. As has been said the music is the most important factor not the demographic. If you've got the records you can get a spot. Sean Livesey is only young but he is a regular at Bury and he is no different to any of the other regular dj's on there. If he has been passed over elsewhere as Jayne maintains then I doubt it's anything to do with his age and more to do with the preference of the promoter. Paul admits he himself has no problem with attending regular venues and Im sure that he has made friends there as this scene is welcoming, and many a night you can make ten new extremely talkative best friends who are extremely difficult to get rid of when you've had enough. If he is OK with it all then why this spurious explanation for the lack of other young people in the clubs. It may be that unlike Paul they're not into it but they may go to a disco in the student buildings. Finally I have no view either way about younger people attending. If they're interested why shouldn't they? As for "etiquette" there isn't any is there. I think the "drink on the dancefloor" is more to do with whom the drink is attached to and that's usually some pissed up local who could be young or old. ROD

"..there's big potential to get a cool night going with good music and nicely dressed young folk". That's the quote followed by some rather disparaging remarks about fat men in baggies and old people dancing in working men's clubs which puts the youngsters off. Perhaps Steve,Brian or Jayne could explain how that translates into an inclusive manifesto to take the scene "forward". Forward? How and where? ROD

They have a point, purpose, know what they want and are doing something about it with integrity and passion. They don't deserve any criticism. That's cleared that up then. And here's me thinking they'd just appropriated the things that appealed to them about the scene but without the fat old people who have kept it going down through the years. Trouble with things that are described as "cool" is that they can just as quickly become "uncool". ROD

"I remember talking to him in the record bar at Wigan and he told me he also had a business selling hoovers. May have been an elaborate con. Anyone hwo has ordered a hoover that didn't arrive, or a bootlegged Ronnie DYSON it may be Simon" That's somewhat of a coincidence. Before Wigan I think it was Dave Hall and Dave Stubbs from Stockport who told me he'd ripped them off so round to flat in Leeds to see him. In subsequent exchange of views he got hit over the head with a hoover!! Also remember him stood in front of bottom bar at Highland Room early on. Think Levine was playing some of his 45s and a guy walked in and smacked him. I thought it was Ian D. or maybe Ian was there and broke it up? ROD

I know what you mean but if someone says to me I have "so and so" at home I accept it at face value. How do you know they haven't. You must be thinking of particular instances. Without naming names,although it would be more fun if you did, could you give us a few examples of blatant story telling. ROD

What a coincidence!! I was only saying this to Nicole Kidman the other day when she popped round to see my Tomangoe's withdrawn WDJ on Ric Tic 113. She said that must be really hard and I said...... Anybody wanna be my penfriend? ROD

No Pete I believe it is the Mello Souls recording under a different name with a guest vocal by Sam Dees. Again this conjecture is nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that I have a copy for sale at the moment. I can add that on this extremely rare and collectible promo copy "H&M" has been crossed out and the words "Mello Souls" have been added in genuine 1960's biro. Some people have suggested it looks like my writing but Im sure Mr. Manship and his micrometer would soon put that slur on my integrity to rest. Besides I don't own a biro as Im not allowed to have sharp objects here. ROD

Pete you heartless ba***rd,how could you include the High &Mighty based as it is on a true story where a brave fisherman rescued a beautiful Cuban refugee but was unable to save her poor brother who tragically died from the fever. May have been Ebola or too much Peggy Lee but we don't get to find that out from the lyric. So heart-rending it cannot help but touch one's soul and deserves to be removed from this list immediately. I would point out that this plea has nothing to do with the fact that I have one for sale at the moment. ROD

Just a couple of points. If we learn anything from the past then I'd say it will be the hardcore attendees and collectors who will keep the thing going as is evident from the 80's/90's experience. We've had influxes due to Media attention before in the 70's and it didn't last although that's not to say that some who are attracted by the music won't stay around. This duff phenomena I would suggest is more to do with kids wanting to identify with top selling album and single. Time will tell. Im also wondering which records are now irrelevant and who decides. If it's Black American danceable tracks then Im hard pressed to think of those that should now be confined to the dustbin of history. I would have thought it was more to do with the context in which you hear them. Finally it has been said that perhaps Northern clubs are off-putting for a lot of younger people but the reverse is also true. I wouldn't really want to go and be surrounded by teenagers who you just know had come out and left their dirty clothes all over the bedroom floor. It would just spoil it for me!!! ROD

I seem to remember two steps forward and one to the side and back together and two steps back and repeat but it was a long time ago. It's either this stuff or it looks like there may be a Salsoul revival on it's way if another thread gets up a head of steam. I'd love it. Is it a demo? [a joke] ROD

One of my faves too but I've only got it on the Trojan box set. I think it was Bazza who said on another thread this stuff is part of the past scene for some of us, and should be again. ROD

As an outsider I just don't understand this thread at all. The South Coast are 20 years behind because they don't book dj's who can play Mel Britt,Damon Fox and Eddie Parker which are all 30 years old!!!! Then Burnley is mentioned which is a very good night BUT features plenty of oldies,for example Ian's spot, FRANK FOSTER--HARLEM RUMBLE--TRI-ODE ARTHUR FREEMAN--YOU GOT ME UP TIGHT--JUMBO TOMMY DODSON III--COOPERATE--MAIN-SOUND ROSE BATTISTE--I CAN,T LEAVE YOU---THELMA EDDIE HILL--YOU GOT THE BEST OF ME--THELMA BILLY KENNEDY--SWEET THINGS--THELMA CAROL ANDERSON--I,M NOT WORRIED--WHIP ROY WRIGHT--HOOK LINE & SINKER--MICA LARRY WILLIAMS-YOU ASK FOR ONE GOOD REASON--OKEH CHARLES FARREN--YOU,VE CHANGED MY WHOLE LIFE AROUND--HAWK INSPIRATIONS--YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND--MIDAS THE NEW WANDERERS--THIS MAN IN LOVE--READY THE BLUE JAYS-- (IT DEPENDS ON THE ) POINT OF VIEW--JAY DUSTY WILSON--CANT DO WITHOUT YOU--BRONSE JUDY CLAY--DO YOU THINK THATS RIGHT--EMBER KNIGHTS--I,VE GOT THE FEELING--USA MOMENTS--YOU SAID--DEEP 001 PATIENCE VALENTINE--IF YOU DONT COME--SAR HONEY & THE BEES--DYNAMITE EXPLODED--ARCTIC FRANKIE BEVERLY & THE BUTLERS--BECAUSE OF MY HEART--FAIRMOUNT LILLIE FIELDS--CHANGES--UNISSUED PIED PIPER THE HONEY BEES--LETS GET BACK TOGETHER--GARRISON MATT LUCAS--BABY YOU BETTER GO GO --KAREN MONIQUE--IF YOU LOVE ME ( SHOW ME )--MAURCI RAY POLLARD--THIS TIME--SHRINE THE CAPITALS--I CANT DENY THAT I LOVE YOU--OMEN. Great records,many of which I'd love but Ian himself will tell you they're mainly oldies. So what is this subtle difference that Steve C is getting so exercised about. Very confusing [and difficult to read] ROD

Yes it was one of our plays but it was that blonde cherub with the tousled locks,Dave Raistrick who came up with it along with the Young Brothers and he kindly let us have both.To be honest I don't remember us covering it as Silhouettes but we made so little impact after dj-ing for 6 months or so that I wouldn't be surprised if Keb decided to cover it as no one probably noticed first time around. I will ask Dave though as he may recall. ROD

Sounds OK but a bit slow really for dance floor I woulda thought. Best tracks IMO on LP are "How can you lose" and "You don't have to beg me to stay" [same track as done by Tyrone]. Well worth getting LP. ROD

I have the track on LP but can't post as technologically inept. Is there something you wanted to know about it? Cassette as a last resort should nobody come up with MP3. ROD

Im with Dave on this. Many a time I've had a few quid to spend and began to look through a box. No prices on sleeves and I walk away. First scratched up knackered 45 I see with Mint price IMO I walk away. Maybe a bit drastic but if you go to buy something you want to see the price, and not waste your own or the seller's time. Whilst selling myself I've witnessed hours of haggling resulting in no sale. I guess some people do like to do it that way as it passes the time and you get to meet people you might not otherwise. ROD

R&B rather than house I would think. ROD

Steve,I don't know about "bored" with the Motown sound. I have a pretty hazy recollection of the timeline but in 70/71 I was still at school and weren't what we now call same old Motown 45s pretty hard to find then even on import. I think Elgins,Contours,Shorty Long,Earl Van Dyke etc were still the bedrock of the developing scene. Anyway Im more interested in your view of where those Prestwich modern records fit in with your idea of what constitutes modern soul. And I noticed Cunnie lurking. I think they're far removed from any notion of the Northern scene as I understand it but as I've never really been heavily involved at the modern end I wonder if the crossover/soulful independent later releases can successfully mix with "now" stuff or is it a different crowd. I have to say that I did share a flat with Mike Stephens for a while and got some insight into that part of the scene and I don't think Mike would claim to be a natural progression from Northern as his roots would be more in mainstream soul, the two-step scene, and what I think may have been quite a local interest in street soul around Manchester. ROD

Whilst I'd say that the majority of what became known as Northern soul records were NOT played in the 60's,over here anyway, I would agree that things we were listening to in the first half of the 70's were not that old and taking the Mecca as an example were very new. However,modern soul means different things to different people and having read the review of the modern room at Prestwich I fail to see how it has any relevance to a large part of the Northern/Rare scene. This is not to denigrate the music at all but to point out that there is no common ground at all other than being held in the same venue and that there are some who like soul from all eras but very few. It may as well be Irish dancing in the other room as for it's influence or impact on either traditional Northern nights or more "upfront" or different venues say such as Burnley or Soulful Shack to name a couple. ROD

I think it was a Richard S tune around Pendulem/Va Va time. ROD

I reckon Sam should stick to disreputable dealers from now on. $150 for a boot is a hell of a lot of money!! Im pretty sure I mentioned the provenance of this 45 on an earlier thread. The Pad in Myrtle Beach is the equivalent of Wigan Casino for Beach Scene. Although we've jumped on this seller elsewhere there is a Beach boot of "Pour your little heart out" for £60 I think. Is it buyer beware or shouldn't the moderators be stepping in to ask that they be listed as boots so no potential buyers are misled. ROD

It wasn't me Derek who introduced the relative merits of the Velvet Satins. However I always thought it was a great girl group 45 until I realised it was a bunch of white guys but it's still infinitely preferrable to Duffy,IMO anyway. To my ears Duffy just sounds wrong. A pastiche, a gimmick, style but no substance. Bingo though with bongos playing rhythmically yet unobtrusively in the background would appeal to all ages, ROD