John Reed

Not looking to seem cheap, but with Easter and the potential train strikes next week, I'm convinced that these factors will delay the post. I was wondering how many of the swappers are going to Essence next week? Might be worth taking some up there to exchange? Cheers, John

Thought it was commonly know that the PES release was boot, probably pressed for the beach scene. I think the reason for the high price is that people covert the 7" format more than the 12" format.

Russ, With you all the way on this one. IMO It's nothing to do with price, rarity or demand, it should always be about the soulfulness. Cheers , John

I'm assuming you're not including Vietnam songs as these two sub-genres do get put together... Although not really "Northern". Syl Johnson - Is It Because I'm Black Impressions - This is My Country Impressions - Choice Of Color James Carr - Freedom Train (Also done by Bobby Barnes) Staple Singers - Long Walk To DC George Perkins - Cryin' In The Streets - This was on the cusp of 69/70 so might have been released in 1970 Frank Turner - Let Freedom Ring (might also be the same as above for this one too) These are some 60's off the top of my head.

Andy, I posted up the article on one of the two other crossover threads also going on, maybe there could be a merging of open threads. It is very interesting what peoples perception is of crossover, as Gareth said there are no wrong answers....

Keeping with the current theme, maybe these could be classed as Crossover?

Am I alone in appreciating the merits of Johnny Moore..... Such a Wonderful Feeling - Blue Rock Lonely Heart In The City - Blue Rock I Wanna Spend The Rest Of My Life/Just Be For Real - Brunswick I'm Only Half A Man Without Your Love - Jadan It's All Over (And Our Love Is A Faded Dream) - Jadan Just My Way Of Loving You - Date

Cracking choice Cliff, the other side's great too. Kinda takes away some of the sting off the hefty price tag

Its got to be Chuck Ray then

Gareth, surely not another contoversial thread.... Mine Chuck Ray - I Don't Mind - Tamboo. For me its the ultimate swayer and can never get bored or it. Can't keep it to one and cheating by also including Billy Kent - Take It All this Time - Expo - Complete magic.

Here is a scan of the Voices article, I hope Rod doesn't mind.... Xover Page 1.pdf Xover Page 2.pdf Xover Page 3.pdf Xover Page 4.pdf Xover Page 5.pdf Xover Page 6.pdf Apologies for the highlighting.... And here's a bit of free advertising for the mag where its in https://www.soulrecordsforsale.co.uk/acatalog/MAGAZINES.html Xover Page 1.pdf Xover Page 2.pdf Xover Page 3.pdf Xover Page 4.pdf Xover Page 5.pdf Xover Page 6.pdf

I've said this before, when discussing the Crossover thread. I think the original definition which Rod wrote about has long gone and morphed into something bigger. If you listen to quite a few tunes in the Crossover thread, to my ears they are more the old style Modern room tunes of the late 80's early 90's than the definition in voices. Saying that I don't actually think that its a bad thing as how can you call a tune modern when it's 35 years old and maybe categorising them all as crossover will allow Y2k+ tunes to be called modern which in my opinon they are.

Isn't one or the biggest problems when defining terms like "Crossover", "DeepFunk" or "Northern", is that the same records means different things to different people, which is why there are so many arguments. These, IMO are not real black music genres, but "Club Scenes". I can't comment on club scenes outside of the UK, but these "scenes" have all included records which are not their predefined core sounds of: Crossover - late 60 early 70's mid-tempo records, DeepFunk - JB'esc type records, Northern - Motownesc records Looking through the top 100 Northern thread, there are many records that I personally think are crossover. Maybe I heard them at crossover venues first and my thinking would be different if I heard these at Northern do's first. I do think Rod's article in Voices was a formative piece of writing and as previously said was written at a time when "House" records were infiltrating the then "modern soul" playlists. I've also questioned records included as I wouldn't class Cornelius & Carol - So I Can Love You - E Enterprises as crossover, as it's an 81 release, so for me I'd class it as 80's soul. I also remember this debate when people asked what "Rare Groove" was in the 80's and similar arguments raged. I think when Norman Jay or another DJ on that scene was asked "What rare groove was?"; their reply was "Whatever you want it to be". I think the same can be said for Crossover, Northern, etc, .....

I've never been either a motown, demo or UK collector, but there is something special about a green/white or Red/white Tamla record going round a deck. I could be wrong, but weren't the sound quality better on some UK pressings?

I do have a soft spot for this record as I remember this from when I was a child as Matt Monro is one of my dad's favourite singers. Good 60's pop tune - yes, Soul - No

Dave have you tried mailing Swamp Dogg via his web site? https://www.swampdogg.net/

Looking for one of these......

Lars, It's a great double sider, don't really know which one I l like better "Step Into.." or "So Long Letter". I was going to post it up but its already in refosoul. /more/soul-library/the-reason-why-so-long-letter

Been sifting through some slower stuff recently and Terry Collins - The Show Must Go On - Kwanza. Although I've always liked it, I've only really listened to the words properly recently. Its a really sad song and as a parent who works long hours, it does hit home.

This one too

They are, it just happens they are both Mrs M*****

you were done.... Not a patch on this 1975 release, see ya cant beat the 70's

I always keep an eye out for this and a couple went through ebay last year. Also on Tiger Lilly is the Sounds of City Experience thats chunky money too. Wasn't this label some kind of tax fraud or drug dealing front? On the boogie front Paradise Worlds Midnight is another one that will set you back a few pennies. On anadjacent front I worked with a guy into classical music and would pay thousands for a paticular LP by a particular composer and a particular orchestra. He was also a big buyer of Japanese pressings. His entire house was fitted with a B&O sound system and his record deck was suspended on wires. I should have offered to play one of my styrene burned singles on it

To my knowledge he's only done 3 LP's 2 on Alston with Running Water in 1973 and On the Job in 1976 and an earlier one on Tayster in 1969. You knock me out was released around 1970 and not all of the singles around that time reached the LP's. With significant changes musically between 1970 and 1973, maybe they thought 3 years was a bit too long for inclusion.

Yep it is......