..HAS ANYONE EVER COMPILED A COMPLETE LISTING FOR THE SOUL GALORE LABEL? IF SO CAN WE SEE IT...

found the following soul fox/soul galore listings additions anyone

45/79-1002Garnet MimmsLooking For You / More Than A Miracle (7") 45/79-1003Herb WardStrange Change / Why Do You Want To Leave Me (7") SF-1000Keymen Brass, The / Mirettes, TheHe's All Right With Me (7") SF-1001Belles, The / Jackie LeeLet Me Do It / I´ll Do Anything (7") SF-1002Mirwood Horns, The / Olympics, TheMine Exclusively (7") SF-1004Mirwood Orchestra, The* / Belles, The (4)Pretention / Don't Pretend (7") SF-1005Fred Smith Orchestra & Jackie LeeYour Personality / Personality ThemeGA-1001Relly Coloma / Goldrush (8)The Good, The Bad And The Ugly / For A Few Dollars More (7", RE, Single) GA-1002-BDillard Crumb & The Soul Rockers* / Electric & Acoustic SoundLet A Woman Be A Woman / Melting Pot (7")2010SG-1002Bob Wilson SoundsStrings A Gogo (7") SG 1003Electronics, TheLove Love Love (7") SG-2601Hot Shots, TheDevil With The Blue Dress / Satisfaction (7") SG-2603Love Sitars, ThePaint It Black (7") SG 2604Benny Curtis & Dirty Hearts, The / Dirty Hearts, TheDirty Hearts (7", Single, RE) SG-2626Soul Fox Strings, TheBlowing My Mind To Pieces / Mountain Top Theme (7") SG-2651Four Perfections, TheI'm Not Strong Enough / I'll Hold On (7") SG-2657Fabulous Jades, TheCome On And Live (7") SG 2725Inticers, TheSince You Left / I Got To Find Me A Baby

kev

Edited March 10, 201114 yr by kevinsoulman

SOUL FOX 1001 BELLES LET ME DO IT

SOUL FOX 1001 JACKIE FORREST SHOW ME HOW TO LOVE / THE WAY OF LOVE

SOUL FOX 1002 JACKIE LEE I'LL DO ANYTHING

SOUL FOX 1003 HERB WARD STRANGE CHANGE / WHY DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE ME

SOUL GALORE SG-1001 DISCOTHEQUES RUN, BABY, RUN # EXPLOSIONS # I'VE GOT SOMETHING GOOD

SOUL GALORE SG-1002 BOB WILSON SOUNDS STRINGS A GO-GO / LOVE SYMPHONY

SOUL GALORE SG-1005 FLOOR SHAKERS SIX BY SIX / WHAT WOULD I DO

SOUL GALORE SG-2001 CHERRY PEOPLE AND SUDDENLY / MR. HYDE

SOUL GALORE SG-2601 HOT SHOTS DEVIL WITH THE BLUE DRESS / SATISFACTION

SOUL GALORE SG-2603 LOVE SITARS PAINT IT BLACK / PAINT IT BLACK

SOUL GALORE SG-2650 KEANYA COLLINS LOVE BANDIT / I CALL YOU DADDY

SOUL GALORE SG-2651 FOUR PERFECTIONS I'M NOT STRONG ENOUGH / I'LL HOLD ON

SOUL GALORE SG-2652 JIMMY MACK MY WORLD IS ON FIRE / GO ON

SOUL GALORE SG-2656 EARL WRIGHT ON THE ROAD TO RUINS / PART TWO

SOUL GALORE SG-2725 INTICERS SINCE YOU LEFT / I GOT TO FIND ME A BABY

SOUL FOX 1001 BELLES LET ME DO IT

SOUL FOX 1001 JACKIE FORREST SHOW ME HOW TO LOVE / THE WAY OF LOVE

SOUL FOX 1002 JACKIE LEE I'LL DO ANYTHING

SOUL FOX 1003 HERB WARD STRANGE CHANGE / WHY DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE ME

SOUL GALORE SG-1001 DISCOTHEQUES RUN, BABY, RUN # EXPLOSIONS # I'VE GOT SOMETHING GOOD

SOUL GALORE SG-1002 BOB WILSON SOUNDS STRINGS A GO-GO / LOVE SYMPHONY

SOUL GALORE SG-1005 FLOOR SHAKERS SIX BY SIX / WHAT WOULD I DO

SOUL GALORE SG-2001 CHERRY PEOPLE AND SUDDENLY / MR. HYDE

SOUL GALORE SG-2601 HOT SHOTS DEVIL WITH THE BLUE DRESS / SATISFACTION

SOUL GALORE SG-2603 LOVE SITARS PAINT IT BLACK / PAINT IT BLACK

SOUL GALORE SG-2650 KEANYA COLLINS LOVE BANDIT / I CALL YOU DADDY

SOUL GALORE SG-2651 FOUR PERFECTIONS I'M NOT STRONG ENOUGH / I'LL HOLD ON

SOUL GALORE SG-2652 JIMMY MACK MY WORLD IS ON FIRE / GO ON

SOUL GALORE SG-2656 EARL WRIGHT ON THE ROAD TO RUINS / PART TWO

SOUL GALORE SG-2725 INTICERS SINCE YOU LEFT / I GOT TO FIND ME A BABY

Also a few more (on Soul galore)

BENNY CURTIS - DIRTY HEARTS / INST

DONI BURDICK - BARI TRACK / I HAVE FAITH IN YOU

FABULOUS JADES - COME ON AND LIVE

SOUNDS OF LANE - SERENADE

SOUL FOX STRINGS - BLOWING MY MIND TO PIECES / MOUNTAIN TOP THEME

there was another SOUL FOX STRINGS which I've only ever seen once SHERRY FOX?? GOING TO THE GOGO

I'll think of some more in a minute

Edited March 11, 201114 yr by Pete S

GLORIA PARKER - BEST THING FOR YOU BABY - SOUL GALORE

some on Soul Fox, all from the MIRWOOD label

SHOTGUN & THE DUCK VOCAL & INST

YOUR PERSONALITY VOCAL & INST

HE'S ALRIGHT WITH ME VOCAL & INST

Posted this when it came out in 2009 as I thought it was really funny that someone had bootlegged the Soul Galore label

add they say- the electronics to the list, quality tune!

SG 1000 Soul Things - Prove Yourself a Lady / Terrifics - Can't Get Enough Of Your Love

SG 1004 Dynamites - Bok To Back / Aint No Soul

and a bit more info on one already mentioned 1005 Floorshakers 6 X 6: B side is Bombshells - What Would I Do (The Tymes tune)

Edited March 12, 201114 yr by Godzilla

What Would I Do (The O'jays tune)

really?

really?

err... no actually.

Mote likely theTymes. It was very early when I posted and I was half asleep. Will edit now.

iv got it pete. its (SHERRY FOX) > vocal / instrumental.(THE SOUL FOX ORCHESTRA)< a "special dj promotion copy" deep pink in color. SG2600.

Edited March 12, 201114 yr by I KNOW NOTHING

Despite the heat I've just put my anorak on and sorted out these bits of info (and searched out a few numbers). I think we may now have the most complete list so far of the LA maestro's work.

Anyone got any more? 2628 and 2629 look most likely, but it's clearly a pretty random numbering system.

SG 1000 SOUL THINGS - PROVE YOURSELF A LADY / TERRIFICS - CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE

SG 1001 DISCOTHEQUES - RUN, BABY, RUN / EXPLOSIONS I'VE GOT SOMETHING GOOD

SG 1002 BOB WILSON - SOUNDS STRINGS A GO-GO / LOVE SYMPHONY

SG 1003 ELECTRONICS – LOVE LOVE LOVE / THEY SAY

SG 1004 DYNAMITES - BOK TO BACK / AINT NO SOUL

SG 1005 FLOORSHAKERS - 6 X 6 / BOMBSHELLS - WHAT WOULD I DO

SG 2001 CHERRY PEOPLE - AND SUDDENLY / MR. HYDE

SG 2601 HOT SHOTS - DEVIL WITH THE BLUE DRESS / SATISFACTION

SG 2602 SOUNDS OF LANE – SERENADE / SAME

SG 2603 LOVE SITARS - PAINT IT BLACK / PAINT IT BLACK

SG 2604 BENNY CURTIS - DIRTY HEARTS / INST

SG 2600 SHERRY FOX – GOING TO THE GO GO / SOULD FOX ORCH - INST

SG 2626 SOUL FOX STRINGS - BLOWING MY MIND TO PIECES / MOUNTAIN TOP THEME

SG 2627 GLORIA PARKER – THE BEST THING FOR YOU BABY / I'M HEADED IN RIGHT DIRECTION

SG 2630 DONI BURDICK - BARI TRACK / I HAVE FAITH IN YOU

SG 2650 KEANYA COLLINS - LOVE BANDIT / I CALL YOU DADDY

SG 2651 FOUR PERFECTIONS - I'M NOT STRONG ENOUGH / I'LL HOLD ON

SG 2652 JIMMY MACK - MY WORLD IS ON FIRE / GO ON

SG 2656 EARL WRIGHT - ON THE ROAD TO RUINS / PART TWO

SG 2657 FABULOUS JADES – COME ON AND LIVE / I'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS MOMENT

SG 2725 INTICERS - SINCE YOU LEFT / I GOT TO FIND ME A BABY

Edited July 21, 201114 yr by Godzilla

Two different colour greens, the blue/green is styrene and the green is vinyl

Two different colour greens, the blue/green is styrene and the green is vinyl

That bright green one in your pick is definitely styrene Steve.There's also a deep blue vinyl one that is vinyl and really heavy.

As work is driving me nuts at the moment I've indulged in some escapism and collated all the Soul Fox 45s I can find too. Will post up in a moment.

Here it is then. Label listing for Soul Galore / Soul Fox and reproductions of original labels marked: "Exclusively Licensed to Soul Galore Productions"

I've left "?" where the numbering system suggests there may have been a release - with the acknowledgement that there may not be one as it changed pretty randomly. I haven't included 45 known to be bootlegged/repressed from the same source but without the "Exclusively Licensed" tag (eg Kenni Smith on GAR 317). Any further additions welcome.

Soul Galore 45s

SG 1000 SOUL THINGS - PROVE YOURSELF A LADY / TERRIFICS - CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE

SG 1001 DISCOTHEQUES RUN, BABY, RUN / EXPLOSIONS I'VE GOT SOMETHING GOOD

SG 1002 BOB WILSON SOUNDS STRINGS A GO-GO / LOVE SYMPHONY

SG 1003 ELECTRONICS – LOVE LOVE LOVE / THEY SAY

SG 1004 DYNAMITES - BOK TO BACK / AINT NO SOUL

SG 1005 FLOORSHAKERS 6 X 6 / BOMBSHELLS - WHAT WOULD I DO

SG 2001 CHERRY PEOPLE AND SUDDENLY / MR. HYDE

SG 2601 HOT SHOTS DEVIL WITH THE BLUE DRESS / SATISFACTION

SG 2602 SOUNDS OF LANE – SERENADE / SAME

SG 2603 LOVE SITARS PAINT IT BLACK / PAINT IT BLACK

SG 2604 BENNY CURTIS - DIRTY HEARTS / INST

SG 2600 SHERRY FOX – GOING TO THE GO GO / SOULD FOX ORCH - INST

SG 2626 SOUL FOX STRINGS - BLOWING MY MIND TO PIECES / MOUNTAIN TOP THEM

SG 2627 GLORIA PARKER – THE BEST THING FOR YOU BABY / I'M HEADED IN RIGHT DIRECTION

?

?

SG 2630 DONI BURDICK - BARI TRACK / I HAVE FAITH IN YOU

SG 2650 KEANYA COLLINS LOVE BANDIT / I CALL YOU DADDY

SG 2651 FOUR PERFECTIONS I'M NOT STRONG ENOUGH / I'LL HOLD ON

SG 2652 JIMMY MACK MY WORLD IS ON FIRE / GO ON

SG 2656 EARL WRIGHT ON THE ROAD TO RUINS / PART TWO

SG 2657 FABULOUS JADES – COME ON AND LIVE / I'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS MOMENT

SG 2725 INTICERS SINCE YOU LEFT / I GOT TO FIND ME A BABY

Soul Fox 45s

SF 1000 THE MIRETTES - HE'S ALRIGHT WITH ME / KEYMEN BRASS - INST

SF 1001 JACKIE LEE – I'LL DO ANYTHING / THE BELLES - LET ME DO IT

SF 1002 OLYMPICS – I'LL DO ANYTHING / MIRWOOD HORNS – INST

?

SF 1004 BELLES -DONT PRETEND / MIRWOOD ORCHESTRA - PRETENTION

SF 1005 JACKIE LEE – YOUR PERSONALITY / FRED SMITH ORCHESTRA - PERSONALITY THEME

SF 1006 JACKIE LEE - THE SHOTGUN & THE DUCK / FRANTIC STRINGS – SHOOT THE DUCK

SF 45/79 1001 JACKIE FORREST - SHOW ME HOW TO LOVE / THE WAY OF LOVE

SF 45/79 1002 GARNETT MIMMS - LOOKING FOR YOU / MORE THAN A MIRACLE

SF 45/79 1003 HERB WARD - STRANGE CHANGE B/W WHY DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE

SF 45/79 1004 HOLLY ST JAMES - THAT'S NOT LOVE / TWO GOOD REASONS

SF 45/79 1005 KAREN YOUNG - TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING / YOU BETTER SIT DOWN KIDS

Reproductions of original labels marked "Licensed Exclusively to Soul Galore Productions"

ASHFORD 1000 EDDIE PARKER – LOVE YOU BABY / INST

ASHFORD 1001 LORRAINE CHANDLER - I CAN'T CHANGE / WHAT CAN I DO

CHIRRUP 1523 JOHNNY ROSS AND THE SOUL EXPLOSION - I CAN'T HELP MYSELF / SORE LOSER

DISCOVERY 41541 VICKI NELSON - STONEY FACE / STAR FIRES - STONEY FACE INST

JOKER 716 CONNIE CLARK - MY SUGAR BABY / INST

MOHAWK 703 RITA DACOSTA - DON'T BRING ME DOWN / NO NO NO

SUPER SOUND 7002 EULA COOPER - LET OUR LOVE GROW HIGHER / HAVE FAITH IN ME

Edited July 22, 201114 yr by Godzilla

I personally don't think that the later Soul Fox series has anything to do with the first one, someone was just using the same label.

I personally don't think that the later Soul Fox series has anything to do with the first one, someone was just using the same label.

I'm really busy at work and it acted as a nice little distraction so I don't care if the only comment is not even damnation by faint praise, but is in fact entirely negative

Seriously though, I never considered that. Makes sense though I suppose, as the first run of SF was all Mirwood related. Anybody got any more evidence or clues as to was responsible?

Strange that when these were done, The Mirettes became The Belles.

SF 1001 JACKIE LEE – I'LL DO ANYTHING / THE BELLES - LET ME DO IT

Would the correct Information have been available at the time I wonder.

Therefore a deliberate change to the name.

Strange that when these were done, The Mirettes became The Belles.

SF 1001 JACKIE LEE - I'LL DO ANYTHING / THE BELLES - LET ME DO IT

Would the correct Information have been available at the time I wonder.

Therefore a deliberate change to the name.

He's a link to a thread I started ....

I'm really busy at work and it acted as a nice little distraction so I don't care if the only comment is not even damnation by faint praise, but is in fact entirely negative

Seriously though, I never considered that. Makes sense though I suppose, as the first run of SF was all Mirwood related. Anybody got any more evidence or clues as to was responsible?

Wasn't a negative comment at all, it was an observation.

Wasn't a negative comment at all, it was an observation.

Yeah - I acknowledged that with the laughing smiley and by following it with the words "seriously though..."

Yeah - I acknowledged that with the laughing smiley and by following it with the words "seriously though..."

So anyway....the second Soul Fox label released 45's in 1978 and 79, therefore because of this I'm sure it was unrelated to the original one. I've actually got a name of someone who was said to be behind this series, though I won't say it in public

Wasn't there a Holly St James - That's Not Love on Soul Fox?

Wasn't there a Holly St James - That's Not Love on Soul Fox?

Yes there was, definitely, should have noticed it was missing from the discography...

So anyway....the second Soul Fox label released 45's in 1978 and 79, therefore because of this I'm sure it was unrelated to the original one. I've actually got a name of someone who was said to be behind this series, though I won't say it in public

Any idea of the 1978 ones? The 1979 ones start at 45/79 1001 so your info would suggest that there are some 45/78 numbers.

As for the person responsible - can we play 'Animal, Vegetable or Mineral'....?

Wasn't there a Holly St James - That's Not Love on Soul Fox?

Nice one. That was the missing SF 45/79 1004 number. Now added it in to the list.

Keep 'em coming amigos.

Any idea of the 1978 ones? The 1979 ones start at 45/79 1001 so your info would suggest that there are some 45/78 numbers.

I know they say 45/79 but I'm sure all of those were pressed in 1978 while I was still going to Wigan. I might be wrong...

Why for a bootleg label were the people doing them actually giving them catalogue numbers anyway , same goes for other labels like Soul Sounds ? Surely the dealers didnt need a catalogue number to buy 50 copies to sell at nighters & by mail order , wouldnt they just say I'll have 50 Holly St James's for my record bar ?

Authenticity-maybe.

stupid question probably but can someone confirm for me if EVERY release on Soul Galore & Soul Fox was a bootleg? And also, does any one know the release date for the first one

SG 1000 SOUL THINGS - PROVE YOURSELF A LADY / TERRIFICS - CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE?

oh second stupid question, I am assuming they were all manufactored in the states?

Edited July 21, 201114 yr by airfixkid

stupid question probably but can someone confirm for me if EVERY release on Soul Galore & Soul Fox was a bootleg? And also, does any one know the release date for the first one

SG 1000 SOUL THINGS - PROVE YOURSELF A LADY / TERRIFICS - CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE?

oh second stupid question, I am assuming they were all manufactored in the states?

Well the Soussan instrumentals like the one you quote above weren't technically boots as they were the first issues of his own productions. It's a safe bet that no publishing royalties were paid though. As for origin, didn't Pete Smith say he thought the very last lot of Soul Fox releases were from a different source and UK made? Rest of them from LA.

Several of the labels say "Exclusively licensed to Soul Galore" and I suppose it's not inconceivable that SS found the owner of the label and paid him a couple of hundred dollars in return for allowing to press up 500 records.

Well the Soussan instrumentals like the one you quote above weren't technically boots as they were the first issues of his own productions. It's a safe bet that no publishing royalties were paid though. As for origin, didn't Pete Smith say he thought the very last lot of Soul Fox releases were from a different source and UK made? Rest of them from LA.

Funnily enough, the only money Doni Burdick ever received for Bari Track / I have faith in you was from Simon Soussan - he didn't receive a penny from the 'licensed' latter day releases on CD etc. I have a copy of the letter from SS to DB somewhere ...If I can find it I'll post a scan

Cheers

Mike B

Here it is then. Label listing for Soul Galore / Soul Fox and reproductions of original labels marked: "Exclusively Licensed to Soul Galore Productions"

I've left "?" where the numbering system suggests there may have been a release - with the acknowledgement that there may not be one as it changed pretty randomly. I haven't included 45 known to be bootlegged/repressed from the same source but without the "Exclusively Licensed" tag (eg Kenni Smith on GAR 317). Any further additions welcome.

Soul Galore 45s

SG 1000 SOUL THINGS - PROVE YOURSELF A LADY / TERRIFICS - CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE

SG 1001 DISCOTHEQUES RUN, BABY, RUN / EXPLOSIONS I'VE GOT SOMETHING GOOD

SG 1002 BOB WILSON SOUNDS STRINGS A GO-GO / LOVE SYMPHONY

SG 1003 ELECTRONICS – LOVE LOVE LOVE / THEY SAY

SG 1004 DYNAMITES - BOK TO BACK / AINT NO SOUL

SG 1005 FLOORSHAKERS 6 X 6 / BOMBSHELLS - WHAT WOULD I DO

SG 2001 CHERRY PEOPLE AND SUDDENLY / MR. HYDE

SG 2601 HOT SHOTS DEVIL WITH THE BLUE DRESS / SATISFACTION

SG 2602 SOUNDS OF LANE – SERENADE / SAME

SG 2603 LOVE SITARS PAINT IT BLACK / PAINT IT BLACK

SG 2604 BENNY CURTIS - DIRTY HEARTS / INST

SG 2600 SHERRY FOX – GOING TO THE GO GO / SOULD FOX ORCH - INST

SG 2626 SOUL FOX STRINGS - BLOWING MY MIND TO PIECES / MOUNTAIN TOP THEM

SG 2627 GLORIA PARKER – THE BEST THING FOR YOU BABY / I'M HEADED IN RIGHT DIRECTION

?

?

SG 2630 DONI BURDICK - BARI TRACK / I HAVE FAITH IN YOU

SG 2650 KEANYA COLLINS LOVE BANDIT / I CALL YOU DADDY

SG 2651 FOUR PERFECTIONS I'M NOT STRONG ENOUGH / I'LL HOLD ON

SG 2652 JIMMY MACK MY WORLD IS ON FIRE / GO ON

SG 2656 EARL WRIGHT ON THE ROAD TO RUINS / PART TWO

SG 2657 FABULOUS JADES – COME ON AND LIVE / I'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS MOMENT

SG 2725 INTICERS SINCE YOU LEFT / I GOT TO FIND ME A BABY

Soul Fox 45s

SF 1000 THE MIRETTES - HE'S ALRIGHT WITH ME / KEYMEN BRASS - INST

SF 1001 JACKIE LEE – I'LL DO ANYTHING / THE BELLES - LET ME DO IT

SF 1002 OLYMPICS – I'LL DO ANYTHING / MIRWOOD HORNS – INST

?

SF 1004 BELLES -DONT PRETEND / MIRWOOD ORCHESTRA - PRETENTION

SF 1005 JACKIE LEE – YOUR PERSONALITY / FRED SMITH ORCHESTRA - PERSONALITY THEME

SF 1006 JACKIE LEE - THE SHOTGUN & THE DUCK / FRANTIC STRINGS – SHOOT THE DUCK

SF 45/79 1001 JACKIE FORREST - SHOW ME HOW TO LOVE / THE WAY OF LOVE

SF 45/79 1002 GARNETT MIMMS - LOOKING FOR YOU / MORE THAN A MIRACLE

SF 45/79 1003 HERB WARD - STRANGE CHANGE B/W WHY DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE

SF 45/79 1004 HOLLY ST JAMES - THAT'S NOT LOVE / TWO GOOD REASONS

SF 45/79 1005 KAREN YOUNG - TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING / YOU BETTER SIT DOWN KIDS

Reproductions of original labels marked "Licensed Exclusively to Soul Galore Productions"

ASHFORD 1000 EDDIE PARKER – LOVE YOU BABY / INST

CHIRRUP 1523 JOHNNY ROSS AND THE SOUL EXPLOSION - I CAN'T HELP MYSELF / SORE LOSER

DISCOVERY 41541 VICKI NELSON - STONEY FACE / STAR FIRES - STONEY FACE INST

JOKER 716 CONNIE CLARK - MY SUGAR BABY / INST

MOHAWK 703 RITA DACOSTA - DON'T BRING ME DOWN / NO NO NO

SUPER SOUND 7002 EULA COOPER - LET OUR LOVE GROW HIGHER / HAVE FAITH IN ME

Don't forget to include this one

Don't forget to include this one

Cheers RS. Added it just now. Keep 'em coming people!

Bob Wilson - Strings A Go Go on SG ,the flip” Love Symphony “ is supposed to be a Servicemen backing track ,does anyone know which Servicemen track it is ? Many thanks …

 

49 minutes ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

Bob Wilson - Strings A Go Go on SG ,the flip” Love Symphony “ is supposed to be a Servicemen backing track ,does anyone know which Servicemen track it is ? Many thanks …

 

Hi Eddie,

Love Symphony is "A Day In Sausalito", which is the normal B side to "Double Cookin'". "Sausalito" is also the instrumental to the Magicians release "Is It All Gone",

 

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by Mick Holdsworth
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2 hours ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Hi Eddie,

Love Symphony is "A Day In Sausalito", which is the normal B side to "Double Cookin'". "Sausalito" is also the instrumental to the Magicians release "Is It All Gone",

 

Many thanks Mick ,I was obviously given the wrong info ,Cheers Eddie