Well I'm gutted, I've just visited your site at https://www.thesoulgirl.com/html/northernsoul.php and am alarmed to discover that I am definitely not a soul fan. I wonder how many people are?

"The Soul Fan may sell a favourite sound that is on an original label because it is available on CD, and with the extra money he/she can purchase more CDs or pressings..."

I think your "Class Three" is more than a tad harsh "The original soul record collector...may well refuse to own pressings or CDs...they are not soul fans"

Do you actually know someone who refuses to own music on tape or CD?

Well I'm gutted, I've just visited your site at https://www.thesoulgirl.com/html/northernsoul.php and am alarmed to discover that I am definitely not a soul fan. I wonder how many people are?

"The Soul Fan may sell a favourite sound that is on an original label because it is available on CD, and with the extra money he/she can purchase more CDs or pressings..."

I think your "Class Three" is more than a tad harsh "The original soul record collector...may well refuse to own pressings or CDs...they are not soul fans"

Do you actually know someone who refuses to own music on tape or CD?

LIGHT BLUE TOUCH PAPER & RETREAT 5 PACES

I've never read such a load of bollocks in all my life.

Tin hats please everyone!

Category 5

Peroxide Spencer wearers who spout off on websites about how awful people who dare to collect original records are.

To be fair, Soulgirl is only quoting from another site.

The 3 classes defo cover all bases though and will touch a few nerves.

When a Japanese punter offered £150 for my cracked 'UJIMA' it had to go. Sorry but 150xprofit could not resist. Ive got it on CD now (Oops I should not have admitted to that) Down the Class 'snakes and ladders' I go.

Ed

To be fair, Soulgirl is only quoting from another site.

Ed

Plagiarism is it? Bootleg insults? :angry:

Tut tut!

Class one me

It's all about dancing, don't care about the media

Class Three (the original soul record collector)

The Original Soul Record Collector this is the elitist class, this class do not belong to the class of Soul Fans, they are not soul fans .

 I would have thought it was love of soul music in its purest form (i.e. original) that seperates class 3 from the rest!

They are not driven by the love of soul music. But by the love of collecting (viz. soul records).

Bollocks! I love my soul music so much I only want the REAL DEAL, not rip-off counterfeit versions. Owning the original copy of a tune is like a time machine, it's the nearest you will get to the day they went into the studio and cut it! It was the original disc they pinned their hopes and dreams on, not some bootleg!

This class comes over as "snobs" as regard to soul records and may well refuse to own pressings or CDs.

Utter tripe! Pressings yes, CD's no, I can't think of any 'Original only' collectors that don't have CD's totaly different medium, totaly different thing!

This class once belonged to the second class but have lost sight of the nature of soul music and have been caught up by pride and vanity.

Lost sight?? it is only the people seeking out rare, unknown originals that keep the scene going, and provide new material for the bootleggers to sell on to the 'Soul Fans"!!

They love nothing better than telling you the value of a record and how few copies exist. Contrast the Soul Fan who loves nothing better than listening to the record and loves to play them for you too.

So class 3 don't love to listen & play the records?? I would place all PROPER DJ's in class 3!!

I know Soulgirl didn't write this herself, but it is a tad disparaging on many like me. CLASS 3 AND PROUD OF IT!!!

Edited December 5, 200519 yr by Trevski

Class Three (the original soul record collector)

Class 3 - 3rd Class.........pooh pooh to that :angry: Class A, me - it's big, it's bad and you can get arrested for it - oh, and i like soul too.............and who else is Sitting in My Class it's all a bit of fun........let's not get airiated about this............do any of you know how much time and effort Karen puts into running that site??? so chill, lighten up and at the end of the day, we'll all turn to dust anyway..........Stuart - send me your address.............I have something for you Jo

Tin hats please everyone!

Category 5

Peroxide Spencer wearers who spout off on websites about how awful people who dare to collect original records are.

Ah, Stuart, so that's you on a bad hair day then, is it

Class 3 - 3rd Class.........pooh pooh to that :angry:

Deffo agree! It should be Top Class not 3rd class!

Although class A does sound tempting!

Not seriously annoyed in the previous post, just a bit of fun, but it is a stupid list, whoever came up with it!!

Deffo agree! It should be Top Class not 3rd class!

Although class A does sound tempting!

Not seriously annoyed in the previous post, just a bit of fun, but it is a stupid list, whoever came up with it!!

An "armchair/PC" soulie Trevor, so can't be wrong ....

Class 3 - 3rd Class.........pooh pooh to that :angry: Class A, me - it's big, it's bad and you can get arrested for it - oh, and i like soul too.............and who else is Sitting in My Class it's all a bit of fun........let's not get airiated about this............do any of you know how much time and effort Karen puts into running that site??? so chill, lighten up and at the end of the day, we'll all turn to dust anyway..........Stuart - send me your address.............I have something for you Jo

i carnt belive you are taking this matter so litely .everybody that owns a cd copy when original vynyl is available should be shot .i myself only own 1 cd (bay city rollers greatest hits)and this is only because as everybody knows all bay city rollers vynyl was conferscated during the black cloth famin in scotland in 1982 to be sliced and used to seprate the red and green in the tartan to make kilts .

Ah, Stuart, so that's you on a bad hair day then, is it

Ah, Stuart, so that's you on a bad hair day then, is it

As I am going bald and grey every day is a bad hair day.

As for that Barnsey, what an amateur, does he not realise that the Bay City Rollers compilation has been re-pressed on vinyl, and you could still collect them on coloured vinyl anyway?

Some people, call themselves record collectors? etc etc etc

As I am going bald and grey every day is a bad hair day.

As for that Barnsey, what an amateur, does he not realise that the Bay City Rollers compilation has been re-pressed on vinyl, and you could still collect them on coloured vinyl anyway?

Some people, call themselves record collectors? etc etc etc

shit piss cock

Without that small black piece of vinyl.........you wouldn't have had the chance to write such diatribe.....

Brett

Edited December 5, 200519 yr by Brett

Without that small black piece of vinyl.........you wouldn't have had the chance to write such diatribe.....

Brett

Its " a " diatribe Brett. " A " diatribe

Its " a " diatribe Brett. " A " diatribe

you trying to nick my job?

Dire tripe surely?

Its " a " diatribe Brett. " A " diatribe

I know it is, thats why i said it.

Well I'm gutted, I've just visited your site at https://www.thesoulgirl.com/html/northernsoul.php and am alarmed to discover that I am definitely not a soul fan. I wonder how many people are?

"The Soul Fan may sell a favourite sound that is on an original label because it is available on CD, and with the extra money he/she can purchase more CDs or pressings..."

I think your "Class Three" is more than a tad harsh "The original soul record collector...may well refuse to own pressings or CDs...they are not soul fans"

Do you actually know someone who refuses to own music on tape or CD?

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Couldn't find it on Night Owl. Who wrote it, anybody know. Would probably come under category A by the way, don't overly care about the format. Do think whoever wrote it was a little harsh on the cat C's, can't believe people would collect something if they didn't like/admire it in some way.

Winnie:-)

Cat C think.

£10 record or £10 CD ? record/cd record/cd ??? Record every time, you can cuddle it & smell it & watch it go round. Who care`s what`s on it I`m deaf as a post, thank dog for sprung dance floors.

Cat C think.

£10 record or £10 CD ? record/cd record/cd ??? Record every time, you can cuddle it & smell it & watch it go round. Who care`s what`s on it I`m deaf as a post, thank dog for sprung dance floors.

Can you not get someone to sign the lyrics to you?

bollocks, plagerism? You only have to read it fully to appreciate that I was quoting from somewhere else and the words were not my own. It wasn't palgerism because I fully linked where it came from.

Up yours!

Edit:

You know, a lot of you here are so rude about others that truely love this music. We might not have thousands of pounds of records like you but equally love it just the same. It's those that are so rude that push others away!

A lot of you make me fucking sick to my back teeth!

Edited December 5, 200519 yr by Soulgirl

Its " a " diatribe Brett. " A " diatribe

Poor Brett - the kid who got his Ps & Bs the wrong way round at school - it's diaTRIPE................

Dire tripe surely?

Oh bollox...........BB got in first - should read earlier posts...........

anyway, be nice to Karen - she's my mate and if you're not, I'll take you all behind the bike shed and give you a good thrashing..........

Can you not get someone to sign the lyrics to you?

Is okeh I can lipread, oldies are best for lipreading.

bollocks, plagerism? You only have to read it fully to appreciate that I was quoting from somewhere else and the words were not my own. It wasn't palgerism because I fully linked where it came from.

Up yours!

Edit:

You know, a lot of you here are so rude about others that truely love this music. We might not have thousands of pounds of records like you but equally love it just the same. It's those that are so rude that push others away!

A lot of you make me fucking sick to my back teeth!

Whoa there Lesley!!!

I don't know if it was the link I put in the soulclub thread that drew Andy to your site Karen. I never bothered reading the front page stuff to be honest as most visits are at lunchtime - work, where time is precious. But maybe these dudes have got too much time on their hands

Karen, you are passionate, nobody doubts this, i know you and your an upfront in your face "love the music" type of girl ..but you can't be disparaging to Vinyl collectors, you know full well that original vinyl is the backbone of the scene and always will be, i have many, many friends on this scene that collect and also many that don't, both are passionate and love the music equally, but the folks that don't collect fully understand and respect the core element of the Vinyl junkies, without these we would just be another music genre...The element of those rare records gives us an elitism (all of us,collectors and non collectors) and that is something to be proud of.

So come on your as much a part of this scene as the guy/girl with the "Million Pound Rarity". just don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Ps don't let B********* like me and the others get to you..we are just puysscats and would run like wharf rats cornered in a brothel by armed gangs wielding tyre irons

Brett

Thing is Brett, I am never disparaging to collectors.. it's such a shame that collectors aren't so forgiving for us that don't collect. It's not the plastic that does it for me, it's the music.

And I don't bite any hand, I have no need to.. do I?

I'm not going to post any more tonight... I think my hormones are in charge LOL

Edited December 5, 200519 yr by Soulgirl

Karen, you are passionate, nobody doubts this, i know you and your an upfront in your face "love the music" type of girl ..but you can't be disparaging to Vinyl collectors, you know full well that original vinyl is the backbone of the scene and always will be, i have many, many friends on this scene that collect and also many that don't, both are passionate and love the music equally, but the folks that don't collect fully understand and respect the core element of the Vinyl junkies, without these we would just be another music genre...The element of those rare records gives us an elitism (all of us,collectors and non collectors) and that is something to be proud of.

So come on your as much a part of this scene as the guy/girl with the "Million Pound Rarity". just don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Ps don't let B********* like me and the others get to you..we are just puysscats and would run like wharf rats cornered in a brothel by armed gangs wielding tyre irons

Brett

Spot on Brettmeister General......

bollocks, plagerism? You only have to read it fully to appreciate that I was quoting from somewhere else and the words were not my own. It wasn't palgerism because I fully linked where it came from.

Up yours!

Edit:

You know, a lot of you here are so rude about others that truely love this music. We might not have thousands of pounds of records like you but equally love it just the same. It's those that are so rude that push others away!

A lot of you make me fucking sick to my back teeth!

I truely love this music, don't have thousand's of pound's of record, but fully appreciate black vinyl, label's and cost oh and refuse to own pressing's!. Label's and cost are all a part of the scene and who said"if you don't collect your not worthy"?.

Quote: This scene will die soon if everyone keep's up this pretence that northern soul is about a small black piece of vinyl/acetate!

How would n.soul exist today without that black vinyl?

What keep's the scene going and not dying after all these year's is that little piece of Black Vinyl Dj's up and down the country play week in, week out.!!

Karen

Poor Brett - the kid who got his Ps & Bs the wrong way round at school - it's diaTRIPE................

Wouldn't that make him "Prett"?

Karen your words......

For Me, Northern Soul means danceable, smoochable, BIG PRODUCTION sounds.. including all my favorite drums, brass, woods, glocks, Xylophones, strings and a bloody good black vocal. Need I say more? More so it means to hell with the bollocks of what the elite'ests say! It's not about how much the record costs, what label it is on or even what media you choose to use. It's about the music... simple as that! Just because you don't collect doesn't mean you're not worthy. This scene will die soon if everyone keeps up this pretence that northern soul is about a small black piece of vinyl/acetate! Play it how you like and let it live on.

Wouldn't that make him "Prett"?

Good job you and Jo collect records, otherwise i'd be oiling my Austrailian Dog Whip.......

Karen your words......

For Me, Northern Soul means danceable, smoochable, BIG PRODUCTION sounds.. including all my favorite drums, brass, woods, glocks, Xylophones, strings and a bloody good black vocal. Need I say more? More so it means to hell with the bollocks of what the elite'ests say! It's not about how much the record costs, what label it is on or even what media you choose to use. It's about the music... simple as that! Just because you don't collect doesn't mean you're not worthy. This scene will die soon if everyone keeps up this pretence that northern soul is about a small black piece of vinyl/acetate! Play it how you like and let it live on.

and your point is?

Edited December 5, 200519 yr by Soulgirl

and your point is?

.....Well put?

Karen your words......

Good job you and Jo collect records, otherwise i'd be oiling my Austrailian Dog Whip.......

Promises, promises

and your point is?

This scene will die soon if everyone keeps up this pretence that northern soul is about a small black piece of vinyl/acetate!

Well thats one of em'

You know, a lot of you here are so rude about others that truely love this music. We might not have thousands of pounds of records like you but equally love it just the same. It's those that are so rude that push others away!

Its not often I agree with you, but I do agree with that!

Brett... your words get larger by the post, or is it my eyes

Its not often I agree with you, but I do agree with that!

You don't know how much that means to me

Brett... your words get larger by the post, or is it my eyes

Karen stand farther from the screen.........

You know, I met you a year ago last Prestatyn... never knew you nor the record collection you had... you were just you! I liked that

What....... a Bastard............ (me i mean, just read that back, sometimes this one dimensional chat crap comes out all wrong......)

Edited December 5, 200519 yr by Brett

Spare a thought for the chap who has spent half his life with his head buried in dusty boxes in some craphole warehouse in downtown Detroit as the locals get ready to ( slipping into ghetto slang ) "pop a cap in his white arse", whilst back in blighty his wife prepares to divorce him as he spends the kids univeristy funds.....

This chap has been buying black VINYL so we can savour our saturday nights out and leave ourselves with a treasure trove of memories.....

We have to keep searching out and learning new records otherwise we might aswell pack up and go home as the journey has ended.....imo (legal disclaimer)

Karen, you are passionate, nobody doubts this, i know you and your an upfront in your face "love the music" type of girl ..but you can't be disparaging to Vinyl collectors, you know full well that original vinyl is the backbone of the scene and always will be, i have many, many friends on this scene that collect and also many that don't, both are passionate and love the music equally, but the folks that don't collect fully understand and respect the core element of the Vinyl junkies, without these we would just be another music genre...The element of those rare records gives us an elitism (all of us,collectors and non collectors) and that is something to be proud of.

So come on your as much a part of this scene as the guy/girl with the "Million Pound Rarity". just don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Ps don't let B********* like me and the others get to you..we are just puysscats and would run like wharf rats cornered in a brothel by armed gangs wielding tyre irons

Brett

Who says she "can't be disparaging to vinyl collectors"?

And who decides who she can be disparaging to? You and the rest of the soul police presumably?

"Don't bite the hand that feeds you"..... what the fook does that mean?

Spare a thought for the chap who has spent half his life with his head buried in dusty boxes in some craphole warehouse in downtown Detroit as the locals get ready to ( slipping into ghetto slang ) "pop a cap in his white arse", whilst back in blighty his wife prepares to divorce him as he spends the kids univeristy funds.....

This chap has been buying black VINYL so we can savour our saturday nights out and leave ourselves with a treasure trove of memories.....

We have to keep searching out and learning new records otherwise we might aswell pack up and go home as the journey has ended.....imo (legal disclaimer)

Wish i had said that, very eloquently put Richard.

Spot on Brettmeister General......

Yawn.

Who says she "can't be disparaging to vinyl collectors"?

And who decides who she can be disparaging to? You and the rest of the soul police presumably?

"Don't bite the hand that feeds you"..... what the fook does that mean?

"dont bite the hand that feeds you"......what the fook does that mean ?

I think it relates to armless people with eating disorders

Brett... your words get larger by the post, or is it my eyes

No, its his ego

Yawn.

Tired Dave , Get yourself a horlicks

Don't suggest that I am not grateful for uncovered records.. that would be insane. It would be suggesting that comedy didn't draw from Charlie Chaplin or Morcambe and Wise. Thing is, comics of today don't need the original film footage. Things have moved on technically, of course we celebrate those that took time out, got dusty heads and had orgasms in dark cellars. The future will not celebrate that, lets be honest.

Take my 10 year old Daughter. She LOVES soul but hasn't the least interest in where it came from... yet.... yet being the operative word. First you have to give birth, then you have to educate. It's the educate then give birth mentality I can't relate to.

This scene will die soon if everyone keeps up this pretence that northern soul is about a small black piece of vinyl/acetate!

So 'soul fans' at the Wheel and Torch had a knees up around a piano? Of course not! they travelled the length & width of the country to hear rare VINYL it is rare vinyl that is put onto CD's for you to enjoy. If it wasn't for vinyl, there would be no CD's of Northern Soul, and if the scene relied on CD's and bootlegs it would stagnate and die. I don't mind ANYONE enjoying a night out dancing to tunes, whatever the format they choose, but remember where the music came from, and support those that keep it fresh