In 1979, or thereabouts, i recall being at a St Ives all-dayer and Jonathan played Billy Hambric. I was standing on the stage at the time and was taken aback to see that his copy was on Fury, yellow label with black block lettering.

i asked to have a look at it as I'd never seen one before.

I then seem to recall the 45 appeared on a Record Haven sales list for circa £40 ....

So ... did I imagine things or does it really exist

Any idea where that copy went or if others reside in anybody's collection.

It doesn't seem to appear in the Fury label listings that I've seen .. granted i won't have seen them all

So .. thoughts anybody

Thanks

Andy

Surely some mistake? The Fury label would have stopped trading before that record was released, wouldn't it?

Gary Rushbrooke played Talk To Me by him on Fury a bit later than that, sure your not getting confused? Although I realise your memory for facts is normally one of the better ones....

I would hope Kev Roberts might recall selling the 45

I can see that i'm going to have to go through all of my old record lists to find it

Andy

I can see that i'm going to have to go through all of my old record lists to find it

Go on Andy - you know you want to

Richard

My search so far has only found a Drum copy listed on Record Haven ... i'm begin to worry i might have dreamt it all up .. still doesn't explain why I noted it down in my book at the time

What was interesting, looking at those old lists, is noting the fact that the Honey Bees - She Don't Deserve You (Fontana) at £30 was more expensive than Tomangoes, Mel Britt, Candi Staton, Yvonne Baker, Four Perfections, Freddie Chavez and so on. I guess that what demand does

Andy

I've never seen or heard of any talk of "She Said Goodbye" on the Fury label. His name spelt different on Fury, Hambrik whereas Hambric on Drum. Is it with a "K" on all Fury releases.

Surely some mistake? The Fury label would have stopped trading before that record was released, wouldn't it?

I don't think so. Fury was operating into the mid '60s, using the 5000 series. That's when Billy Hambric was signed to them. Maybe Bobby Robinson bought the rights to the Drum recordings to distribute them nationally, and then released other recordings that HE made on Billy, after that? I have Hambric (spelled correctly) on Fury 5000. Notice that Bobby Robinson (and not don Juan Mancha) wrote the songs and produced the record. :

I am pretty sure that this Fury 5000 series (after Robinson formed "BR Associates" (a re-organisation of his businesses)), was started AFTER the Drum record was first released. Fury lasted, at least into late 1966 (Willy Hightower releases (among others).

Edited April 14, 201213 yr by RobbK

Does anyone have a scan of the Fury issue with the Drum songs? If so, please post label scans. Are the recordings the exact same versions as on Drum?

HI ALL My copies that I sold at the VIC in Wolves were on orange DRUM never seen it on FURY SHE SAID GOODBYE?

DAVE

I've never seen it on Fury. And I've looked through a LOT of US 45s from when that record was out through 1984 (but especially 1964-1972). I've never even seen it on a discography or wants list. But, with what people find in the producers/label owners garages, I'm never surprised any more. Still, I'd like to see a scan of it, before I believe it.

I've come to the conclusion it was all a dream ...

Never mind

Andy

Don Mancha was living in New York at the time he wrote "I Found True Love/She Said Goodbye" soon getting homesick he returned to the motorcity. It was he who persuaded Luther Dixon to join him, while there Musicor records employed Luther to produce the Platters on their "Going Back To Detroit" album etc.

As told to me by Don himself

Dave

Edited April 15, 201213 yr by Louise

I haven't ruled out the possibility of it existing. I'd like to see a scan of the label. Even if the original

I've never seen or heard of any talk of "She Said Goodbye" on the Fury label. His name spelt different on Fury, Hambrik whereas Hambric on Drum. Is it with a "K" on all Fury releases.

Clearly, NOT, as my scan proves. Which Fury releases has it spelt with a "K" (other than the alleged "She Said goodbye")? If anyone has one, please post it. I don't remember seeing it spelt with a "K" on any issues.

Don Mancha was living in New York at the time he wrote "I Found True Love/She Said Goodbye" soon getting homesick he returned to the motorcity. It was he who persuaded Luther Dixon to join him, while there Musicor records employed Luther to produce the Platters on their "Going Back To Detroit" album etc.

As told to me by Don himself

Dave

I always wondered about the Detroit connection to Drum Records, knowing that Billy Hambric wasn't a Detroiter. And I always wondered how Popcorn Wylie and Tony Hester ended up witing for NY productions, and Stanley Mitchell ended up recording in New York. I knew about Robert Bateman using Popcorn Wyle and other Detroiters, Harry Balk's NY ties (Big Top, and distributing with Jubilee and Old Town), and Sidney Barnes' ties between the two cities (as well as Raynoma Liles/Eddie Singleton and crew (NY Jobete Office) George Kerr/Sidney Barnes, Gene Redd Jr., etc.). Now, the mystery has been unraveled. Thanks for that information. Don Juan Mancha lived for some years in Chicago, as well, working for local labels there.

Hi Rob

Don Mancha isn't a native Detroiter, he's originally from Baton Rouge. He and his family made the all too familiar trek north for work etc

He also lived on the West Coast for a while.

Dave

Edited April 15, 201213 yr by Louise

I haven't ruled out the possibility of it existing. I'd like to see a scan of the label. Even if the original

Clearly, NOT, as my scan proves. Which Fury releases has it spelt with a "K" (other than the alleged "She Said goodbye")? If anyone has one, please post it. I don't remember seeing it spelt with a "K" on any issues.

Yes I noticed that earlier Robb.. The Jovial release is "Hambrick", presume same singer. I was sure I'd seen a Fury release with a "k" and it is in listings spelt with a "K".

This might shed some light on the spelling .. lifted from a posting elsewhere

"I'm Billy Hambric's nephew. My name is Rev.Roger L. Hambrick!"

Andy

Must have been played at the tail end of Jonathans dj ing northern if it was 79, he was starting to do contemporary soul and jazz funk that year. Great record tho whatever Color !