my 14 year old son has liked northern for a few years now as i always have it on in the car and around the house, anyway he was asking me to explain oldies, newies, motown & modern etc. anyway i tried and his reply was "does it really matter as long as it is soulful and good to dance to" i think his reply puts paid to all the old arguments eh!. because to his ears even groups like the supremes, smoky robinson, stevie wonder are just 60's soul tunes not ex chart records that we are sometimes too pompous to acknowledge anymore and he couldn't understand that they rarely, if ever get played at soul nites. i just thought i would like to share this with you! his fave tunes at the moment are Charles Mintz- i'll come running back. flame n kings- ho happy day, edwin starr- stop her on sight and stevie wonder -uptight!

my 14 year old son has liked northern for a few years now as i always have it on in the car and around the house, anyway he was asking me to explain oldies, newies, motown & modern etc. anyway i tried and his reply was "does it really matter as long as it is soulful and good to dance to" i think his reply puts paid to all the old arguments eh!. because to his ears even groups like the supremes, smoky robinson, stevie wonder are just 60's soul tunes not ex chart records that we are sometimes too pompous to acknowledge anymore and he couldn't understand that they rarely, if ever get played at soul nites. i just thought i would like to share this with you! his fave tunes at the moment are Charles Mintz- i'll come running back. flame n kings- ho happy day, edwin starr- stop her on sight and stevie wonder -uptight!

Not getting involved

Ask hime that same question when he's been going out every weekend for x amount of years and there being played every week!!

Not getting involved

Ask hime that same question when he's been going out every weekend for x amount of years and there being played every week!!

you say not getting involved and then you do

my 14 year old son has liked northern for a few years now as i always have it on in the car and around the house, anyway he was asking me to explain oldies, newies, motown & modern etc. anyway i tried and his reply was "does it really matter as long as it is soulful and good to dance to" i think his reply puts paid to all the old arguments eh!. because to his ears even groups like the supremes, smoky robinson, stevie wonder are just 60's soul tunes not ex chart records that we are sometimes too pompous to acknowledge anymore and he couldn't understand that they rarely, if ever get played at soul nites. i just thought i would like to share this with you! his fave tunes at the moment are Charles Mintz- i'll come running back. flame n kings- ho happy day, edwin starr- stop her on sight and stevie wonder -uptight!

On a similar theme, I will often ask my daughter what she thinks to a tune and would it make her dance, simply because she has no pre concieved ideas about oldies, newies etc... and can just give me a first reaction to the sound alone if you know what I mean.

you say not getting involved and then you do

Suppose i've got to now!!

I only said that as a statement to the question, wasn't getting involved in the debat oldies v newies v world war 3.

7 or 8 years ago i had the same out look! but after going out every friday and Saturday night for somany years the records that you hear every week turn and bore you! all the tracks that were listed there are great records IMO apart from that Ho happy day pap! but over exposure is a bad thing with some records! is what i was mearly trying to say, and i managed that with out getting into a oldies v newies debate

my 14 year old son has liked northern for a few years now as i always have it on in the car and around the house, anyway he was asking me to explain oldies, newies, motown & modern etc. anyway i tried and his reply was "does it really matter as long as it is soulful and good to dance to" i think his reply puts paid to all the old arguments eh!. because to his ears even groups like the supremes, smoky robinson, stevie wonder are just 60's soul tunes not ex chart records that we are sometimes too pompous to acknowledge anymore and he couldn't understand that they rarely, if ever get played at soul nites. i just thought i would like to share this with you! his fave tunes at the moment are Charles Mintz- i'll come running back. flame n kings- ho happy day, edwin starr- stop her on sight and stevie wonder -uptight!

Not getting involved

I will Supremes...Soul MOR pop most of their output IMHO Anyway most of us like the old arguements But does anyone really give a shit what anyone else thinks? as long as I like it I don't care what anyone else thinks same for you and ypour son I would imagine? I'll debate or argue, whatever, but at the end of the day it's me alone I have to please...unless I'm Djing of course

Glad to see your leading him down the right path though

I think its top your lad is loving the motown tunes and I too wish that the soul police would allow these tunes to be played every now and then. Id give anything to hear Tainted Love at a nighter. Its one of my faves but for some reason its a joke on the scene. One of the greatest intro's ever and everything that northern should be.

If i were you id tell him the avoid the chin scratchers and dance to what he likes. Why does everything have to be rare all the time!

Just my opinion of course.

I think its top your lad is loving the motown tunes and I too wish that the soul police would allow these tunes to be played every now and then. Id give anything to hear Tainted Love at a nighter. Its one of my faves but for some reason its a joke on the scene. One of the greatest intro's ever and everything that northern should be.

If i were you id tell him the avoid the chin scratchers and dance to what he likes. Why does everything have to be rare all the time!

Just my opinion of course.

Honestly that is really refreshing to hear that from a younger soulie I think sometimes we forget that played out isn't played out to everyone.

Honestly that is really refreshing to hear that from a younger soulie I think sometimes we forget that played out isn't played out to everyone.

I just think that the soul scene tends to cater for the veterans rather than the folk that are relatively new to the scene. I love songs like What, out on the floor, landslide, etc but these songs have been sent to the northern 'room 101'.

I was at stoke on sat and there were about 50 dancers under 25 that danced to these songs all night because these are newies to some of us. Don't label them over played oldies when they clearly aren't.

I was at stoke on sat and there were about 50 dancers under 25 that danced to these songs all night because these are newies to some of us. Don't label them over played oldies when they clearly aren't.

nicely put Paul, people are always banging on about getting new blood on the scene maybe it's time to listen to what they have to say, you never know, it may encourage their friends along too.

I think its top your lad is loving the motown tunes and I too wish that the soul police would allow these tunes to be played every now and then. Id give anything to hear Tainted Love at a nighter. Its one of my faves but for some reason its a joke on the scene. One of the greatest intro's ever and everything that northern should be.

If i were you id tell him the avoid the chin scratchers and dance to what he likes. Why does everything have to be rare all the time!

Just my opinion of course.

The beauty of this scene Paul, is that you are an individual, your opinion is valid and as worthy as any other, you pay your shilling like everyone else.

I don't care for "Tainted Love" and would walk to the door if i heard it......but "I Would Fight To The Death For Your Right To Hear It".

Your freind Brett

Edited March 9, 200619 yr by Brett

The beauty of this scene Paul, is that you are an individual, your opinion is valid and as worthy as any other, you pay your shilling like everyone else.

I don't care for "Tainted Love" and would walk to the door if i heard it......but "I Would Fight To The Death For Your Right To Hear It".

Your freind Brett

bloody hell!

good comedy writes itself

paul, are you still banging on about oldies??!!

you must have been on the scene for over 2 years now!

see you in wales

your friend, Shane

Edited March 9, 200619 yr by ShaneH

not having a go and anyone, but i don't understand how you could want to hear 'what' and 'out on the floor' etc played at venues?

they're ok records (and so are tainted love, and right back where we started from, and under my thumb, and even baby love and stop in the name of love, sorry chalky) but they're only great in context.

they used to be played on the rallies and at little local dos in the 80s like the kegs and tech discos in nuneaton and i'd dance my tits off to them because in that context they were fine.

equally, nowadays if i heard any of those or 100 others on radio two, or the kentucky ads, or wherever, i'd be singing along and telling my wife and kids about my glorious youth. again, in that context they are still fine.

but i never went to an allnighter or serious soul night and expected to hear them and can't see how that should have changed 20 years on

bloody hell!

good comedy writes itself

paul, are you still banging on about oldies??!!

you must have been on the scene for over 2 years now!

see you in wales

your friend, Shane

Your Freind Brett......... ......We need a bit of dramatic irony in here.....

Glad you got it Shane........

Hell those old " Eric Bristows" aren't still around are they, otherwise i would be in trouble.......

but i never went to an allnighter or serious soul night and expected to hear them and can't see how that should have changed 20 years on

OOTF, What, tainted love all been played at nighters in the past

Your Freind Brett......... ......We need a bit of dramatic irony in here.....

Glad you got it Shane........

Hell those old " Eric Bristows" aren't still around are they, otherwise i would be in trouble.......

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We clearly left an imprint on the Nick Hancock wannabees

Getting back on topic, your son may like some of the more commercial sounds at the moment, but 'time marches on', and I'm sure he'll move with the times. The important thing is, as Chalky says, is enjoy what he enjoys, not be told what is good

Winnie:-)

bloody hell!

good comedy writes itself

paul, are you still banging on about oldies??!!

you must have been on the scene for over 2 years now!

see you in wales

your friend, Shane

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Nothing like a bit of Voltaire to soothe the masses

I'm going to Wales too Paul, see you in the oldies room

OOTF, What, tainted love all been played at nighters in the past

i appreciate that karen, so have all the other records i mentioned - even the supremes were probably played as new releases in the 60s for all i know)

point i was making, clumsily, is that you wouldn't i would have thought expect them to be played now (since we didn't in the 80s - they were 70s northern i would say?).

nothing against them as records per se, just have had their day many years ago and have been superseded by better things.

interesting this. the past is another country - they play fucking weird records there, to paraphrase l p hartley. i venture to suggest there is no way wayne gibson (oops ) would be played as a new discovery now

Edited March 10, 200619 yr by Dan

Hell those old " Eric Bristows" aren't still around are they, otherwise i would be in trouble.......

my 14 year old son has liked northern for a few years now as i always have it on in the car and around the house, anyway he was asking me to explain oldies, newies, motown & modern etc. anyway i tried and his reply was "does it really matter as long as it is soulful and good to dance to" i think his reply puts paid to all the old arguments eh!. because to his ears even groups like the supremes, smoky robinson, stevie wonder are just 60's soul tunes not ex chart records that we are sometimes too pompous to acknowledge anymore and he couldn't understand that they rarely, if ever get played at soul nites. i just thought i would like to share this with you! his fave tunes at the moment are Charles Mintz- i'll come running back. flame n kings- ho happy day, edwin starr- stop her on sight and stevie wonder -uptight!

Good on yer Son Can't stand it when the Soul Mafia decide a tune is now deemed naff, & everyone "Go's Along With The Way Of The Crowd" !!! Many a good record has been condemed all too soon to beer mat & frisbee land

Personally I would still rather listen to "Played Out Oldies" than some of the scrapings from the gay disco music barrell, that some like to pretend is Rare/Northern Soul !!!!

Edited March 10, 200619 yr by B-side-B

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Nothing like a bit of Voltaire to soothe the masses

Candide, one of the best books ever written.

Good on yer Son Can't stand it when the Soul Mafia decide a tune is now deemed naff, & everyone "Go's Along With The Way Of The Crowd" !!! Many a good record has been condemed all too soon to beer mat & frisbee land

Personally I would still rather listen to "Played Out Oldies" than some of the scrapings from the gay disco music barrell, that some like to pretend is Rare/Northern Soul !!!!

yawn, yawn , yawn, yawn.

Russ

Your Freind Brett......... ......We need a bit of dramatic irony in here.....

Glad you got it Shane........

Hell those old " Eric Bristows" aren't still around are they, otherwise i would be in trouble.......

We'll, I didn't get it . I always thought that dramatic irony was where the audience in Greek Tragedy knew more about what was going on than the protagonists.Hence the words, dramatic and irony. Have we now diluted the meaning of the term to mean in- jokes about Voltaire? On a lighter note - was there ever a harmony group called The Voltaires?

Candide by Voltaire is absolutely one of the best books ever written. pure comedy genius.

IMO As long as tracks like out on the floor are played in an imaginitive set, I have no problem with them being played. They are great records IMo. When Lynne played Stoned Love at the 100 club the floor packed, and people commended her bollox for having the guts to play it. And one of the highlights in the last few years, as many on here have attested, was mick Smith playing - Aint No Mountain High Enough.

Recently I heard a spot where the DJ played Bobby Paris - I Walked Away. I absolutely loved it, as it reminded me of my Youth Club days. One of my mates hated it because it reminded him of his youth club days.

If you dont like one record in a Dj's spot, then they have done extremely well havent they? Who cares whether the record you dont like is a mega rare unissued acetate that only 1 person has, or if its a played out oldie.

On a lighter note - was there ever a harmony group called The Voltaires?

Yes

Candide by Voltaire is absolutely one of the best books ever written. pure comedy genius.

IMO As long as tracks like out on the floor are played in an imaginitive set, I have no problem with them being played. They are great records IMo. When Lynne played Stoned Love at the 100 club the floor packed, and people commended her bollox for having the guts to play it. And one of the highlights in the last few years, as many on here have attested, was mick Smith playing - Aint No Mountain High Enough.

Recently I heard a spot where the DJ played Bobby Paris - I Walked Away. I absolutely loved it, as it reminded me of my Youth Club days. One of my mates hated it because it reminded him of his youth club days.

If you dont like one record in a Dj's spot, then they have done extremely well havent they? Who cares whether the record you dont like is a mega rare unissued acetate that only 1 person has, or if its a played out oldie.

i agree mike, but it's the one-offness of hearing a record like that that is good surely - it's almost ironic. would you feel the same if someone played out on the floor, followed by stop, followed by interplay, followed by a little bit hurt, followed by better use your head, followed by tainted love, followed by seven days too long, followed by the snake? i think i might feel i'd gone back 20 years to a scooterist disco

mind you, like i say, nothing wrong with any of those records in the right time and place. i reckon the snake, played in the right set by the right dj, would fill the floor at almost any venue bar the so-called 'up front' ones (what a crap term that is, by the way IMO) because it touches just about everyone, it's part of our history - just like ain't no mountain high enough etc. but once every 10 years would be enough

anyway, back on topic, if you're new blood on 'the scene' why do you want to hear clapped out youth club oldies? surely you love hearing everything cos it's all new to you, so go with the flow?

I would absolutely draw the line if someone played all those records together Dan. I mean, how could they leave out the Reflections - Like Adam and Eve? ;-)

why are people like PaulB (top guy by the way!) complaining?

its not as if they haven't any choice in the matter.

there is such a wide variety of events these days just go and pay your dollar at the one you prefer.

if you want oldies go to an oldies event.

sorry to use lazy metaphores but i dont go to an Indian restaurant and complain there isnt enough Pizza on the menu

simple as.....in my book anyway

Shane

i agree mike, but it's the one-offness of hearing a record like that that is good surely - it's almost ironic. would you feel the same if someone played out on the floor, followed by stop, followed by interplay, followed by a little bit hurt, followed by better use your head, followed by tainted love, followed by seven days too long, followed by the snake? i think i might feel i'd gone back 20 years to a scooterist disco

mind you, like i say, nothing wrong with any of those records in the right time and place. i reckon the snake, played in the right set by the right dj, would fill the floor at almost any venue bar the so-called 'up front' ones (what a crap term that is, by the way IMO) because it touches just about everyone, it's part of our history - just like ain't no mountain high enough etc. but once every 10 years would be enough

anyway, back on topic, if you're new blood on 'the scene' why do you want to hear clapped out youth club oldies? surely you love hearing everything cos it's all new to you, so go with the flow?

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I'm sure that certain records such as I walked away (which I asked for on Saturday) evoke memories and that's why they're still popular and in demand. They usually put you in a time and place, but what they also do is inspire. I've asked this question before, but if you wanted to describe Northern, and you were going to use records to do it, would you give them tried and tested oldies or 'upfront'. The lads only 14, if he stays with northern, he'll make his own mind up over the coming years, force feed 'upfront' now and he may drift away, because it is a very different style from the more classic sound he's currently used to.

Winnie:-)

why are people like PaulB (top guy by the way!) complaining?

its not as if they haven't any choice in the matter.

there is such a wide variety of events these days just go and pay your dollar at the one you prefer.

if you want oldies go to an oldies event.

sorry to use lazy metaphores but i dont go to an Indian restaurant and complain there isnt enough Pizza on the menu

simple as.....in my book anyway

Shane

It is a strange experience though, sometimes, being a new person on a well-established scene. I still find people describing a few tunes as 'overplayed oldies' when I've hardly heard them.

By the way, Paul, I haven't forgotten about your CDs... when you've finished cooking Karen's dinner at Prestatyn get her to introduce us

why are people like PaulB (top guy by the way!) complaining?

its not as if they haven't any choice in the matter.

there is such a wide variety of events these days just go and pay your dollar at the one you prefer.

if you want oldies go to an oldies event.

sorry to use lazy metaphores but i dont go to an Indian restaurant and complain there isnt enough Pizza on the menu

simple as.....in my book anyway

Shane

Sums it up for me

The lads only 14, if he stays with northern, he'll make his own mind up over the coming years, force feed 'upfront' now and he may drift away, because it is a very different style from the more classic sound he's currently used to.

Winnie:-)

No need to force feed him, it will be a natural progression. At 14 you dont really know your true musical calling,took me years of going to and from scenes to find what i was looking for! Plus youths get bored alot more quickely now adays, wonder if in a months time he'll even like them at all?

It is a strange experience though, sometimes, being a new person on a well-established scene. I still find people describing a few tunes as 'overplayed oldies' when I've hardly heard them.

When I was a young 'un I asked Butch to play Susan Barratt "Whats It Gonna Be" he just smiled and said "I don't play oldies - ask Ady he does!"

Now when I ask him for a record he just says NO - or dedicates something that he knows I don't like to me!

why are people like PaulB (top guy by the way!) complaining?

its not as if they haven't any choice in the matter.

there is such a wide variety of events these days just go and pay your dollar at the one you prefer.

if you want oldies go to an oldies event.

sorry to use lazy metaphores but i dont go to an Indian restaurant and complain there isnt enough Pizza on the menu

simple as.....in my book anyway

Shane

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Do you think maybe he can see a definite split appearing on the scene? Maybe Paul wants to hear some classic oldies in amongst a set of 'upfront' sounds. The thing that struck me when I came back on the scene was the old divide, Wigan vs Mecca, wasn't as pronounced. Venues played tracks right across the board despite which venue they originated from, which meant better quality music overall. With the advent of this new style 'upfront', I can only see another split, particularly with people saying if you like this, go here etc. What's wrong with us all being on common ground?

Winnie:-)

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Do you think maybe he can see a definite split appearing on the scene? Maybe Paul wants to hear some classic oldies in amongst a set of 'upfront' sounds. The thing that struck me when I came back on the scene was the old divide, Wigan vs Mecca, wasn't as pronounced. Venues played tracks right across the board despite which venue they originated from, which meant better quality music overall. With the advent of this new style 'upfront', I can only see another split, particularly with people saying if you like this, go here etc. What's wrong with us all being on common ground?

Winnie:-)

There is quite a few that play them alongside each other! 100 club, there is always a few, lets not say classics but more well thought out class oldies, along side some of the 'current biggies' Keele you can here oldies alongside some 'upfront' sounds, There is less 'upfront' venues than there is venues playing all manner of stuff along side one another

Sums it up for me

No need to force feed him, it will be a natural progression. At 14 you dont really know your true musical calling,took me years of going to and from scenes to find what i was looking for! Plus youths get bored alot more quickely now adays, wonder if in a months time he'll even like them at all?

My wee niece is 8 and she loves northern soul, her mum is getting worried as when her other friends come around to play she sits and plays them Northern tracks off the cd's she demands i make her as she love it! she is now starting to dance about constantly to tunes in her house....her mum has bought her other stuff like the NOW compilations but they're never played only northern! her fave tunes last time i called were.. and this is mad i know : The Kittens - it is over baby, Brenda Holloway - Stolen hours...

I would absolutely draw the line if someone played all those records together Dan. I mean, how could they leave out the Reflections - Like Adam and Eve? ;-)

There is quite a few that play them alongside each other! 100 club, there is always a few, lets not say classics but more well thought out class oldies, along side some of the 'current biggies' Keele you can here oldies alongside some 'upfront' sounds, There is less 'upfront' venues than there is venues playing all manner of stuff along side one another

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I'm not sure why we're not allowed to say classics, I've heard many classics played at the 100, it's always mixed and matched, but that's why it's still the number one nighter in the country musically. If there is no divide then I stand corrected, perhaps ALL venues should have a more across the board policy?? Room for everyone don't you think?? And all on the same dance floor I would hope

Winnie:-)

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I'm not sure why we're not allowed to say classics, I've heard many classics played at the 100, it's always mixed and matched, but that's why it's still the number one nighter in the country musically. If there is no divide then I stand corrected, perhaps ALL venues should have a more across the board policy?? Room for everyone don't you think?? And all on the same dance floor I would hope

Winnie:-)

Only said about classics as i see a classic a things like OOTF,What ect, ect

Thing is if all venues took that policy, the stand out venues that have there forward thinking policy will be just like the others IMO and not have that somthing 'special' about them, there is so many night/nighters on you can pick and choose the ones that do it for you personly.

Only said about classics as i see a classic a things like OOTF,What ect, ect

Thing is if all venues took that policy, the stand out venues that have there forward thinking policy will be just like the others IMO and not have that somthing 'special' about them, there is so many night/nighters on you can pick and choose the ones that do it for you personly.

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So there is a potential divide? Which is possibly why Paul made his original point, as he may well want to hear tainted love alongside a cover up? Just food for thought, not saying or making any statements of fact, just an observation

Winnie:-)

QUOTE(B-side-B @ Mar 10 2006, 12:48 AM)

Good on yer Son Can't stand it when the Soul Mafia decide a tune is now deemed naff, & everyone "Go's Along With The Way Of The Crowd" !!! Many a good record has been condemed all too soon to beer mat & frisbee land

Personally I would still rather listen to "Played Out Oldies" than some of the scrapings from the gay disco music barrell, that some like to pretend is Rare/Northern Soul !!!!

yawn, yawn , yawn, yawn.

Russ

I know it was 3:27 in the morning but

Hey Young Man ! There's No Need To Feel Down !!!

Edited March 10, 200619 yr by B-side-B

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So there is a potential divide? Which is possibly why Paul made his original point, as he may well want to hear tainted love alongside a cover up? Just food for thought, not saying or making any statements of fact, just an observation

Winnie:-)

You've only got to look at the numbers through the door at the kings hall, to see how diveded it is! having not been there myself for god knows how many years, but with the likes of Butch and Mick H on the rota now, im sure that you will get a few C/ups spun along side things like OOTF and Tanited love prehaps not in the same spot but diffinately in the same night, At least with DJ's like that on it gives the people who dont go out reguly to have a chance to hear some of the latest things on offer too, And that can only be a good thing IMO.

Any one who goes to KH want to elaborate on this, as to whats getting played there at the moment?

Edited March 10, 200619 yr by Baz

I think kids will listen to anything that you play to them. When they are kids that is. As soon as they get minds of their own, they are unlikely to like what you like. And I think it would be a bit odd if they did. An 8 year old will like what you like and might not have much alternative. By 14 I would have thought that they would have fallen in with whatever music is the soundtrack to their own particular scene. Isn't that what we did? Later on they could come back to sounds that we introduced them to. But if they were to discover rare soul for themselves that would be a different matter all together.

I don't attend any kind of rare soul event where people dance but I do from time to time pop in to night clubs where rap or what passes these days as R&B or even straight African music is played. Some of the dancers are great in there own way. They would not on the whole be attuned to the type of music that we like, though, and would no more want to dance to it than we would to their music.

Edited March 10, 200619 yr by Billy Freemantle

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Maybe Paul wants to hear some classic oldies in amongst a set of 'upfront' sounds.

Winnie:-)

Spot on Winnie. I'm not saying I want to hear these so called overplayed songs all night but it would be nice to hear them every now and then. This isn't a debate about oldies being played all night long, I'm simply saying that I'd enjoy hearing tainted love at middleton tomorrow because to me it isn't an overplayed oldie.

Dan, do you not think its a bit selfish to say that the songs you're tired of hearing should never be played again, because these songs are all newies to me and many others.

So in 2020 we'll have a room full of 70 year olds saying " bloody shit this love finds a way. I remember them playing this 18 years ago so under no circumstances should it ever be played agian".

Cast your minds back to the first time you heard these oldies. What was your reaction the first time the intro of tainted love ( as an example ) come on......... close your eyes........think back.......come on....there we are, now thats the same feeling that new ears get hearing it now.

So how anyone has the right to say that these sounds shouldn't be graced on the all nighter scene again is beyond me. Is that what this scene is about, a set of grumpy middle aged men pulling their faces at songs THEY dont think should be played because I thought that these songs belonged to everyone.

When i have kids I wont let them eat bacon butties because it will remind me of a time when I loved bacon. They'll start asking "whats this bacon i've been hearing about dad?" and ill be forced to let them try it.

"Look at them enjoying their bacon. How dare they" i'll think. Next news the little bastards will be asking for it every day and really enjoy it, maybe so much that they will be curious to try sausage or even black pudding. Over my dead body!!!

Right I've had my little say and I've fallen out with you all. If anyone wants me at prestatyn ill be locked in my chalet listening to Right Track and bloody enjoying it!

oldies fans cant complain imo.

there is an oldies event at the end of every street these days and most are very busy.

the more interesting events (imo) are very few and far between. its a case of travelling further, going out less and a good chance the place will be half empty.

Shane

I give in. Give songs a 3 years life span then bin them .

Shane, why do you always have me down as an oldies fan . I love new and old stuff. Im just saying that one persons oldie is anothers newie.

Anyway are you still up for that footy match or have you bottled it.

Edited March 10, 200619 yr by PaulB

I give in. Give songs a 3 years life span then bin them .

Shane, why do you always have me down as an oldies fan . I love new and old stuff. Im just saying that one persons oldie is anothers newie.

Anyway are you still up for that footy match or have you bottled it.

3 years?

3 months more like

yes we are having that footie game mate

Shane

i appreciate that karen, so have all the other records i mentioned - even the supremes were probably played as new releases in the 60s for all i know)

point i was making, clumsily, is that you wouldn't i would have thought expect them to be played now (since we didn't in the 80s - they were 70s northern i would say?).

nothing against them as records per se, just have had their day many years ago and have been superseded by better things.

interesting this. the past is another country - they play fucking weird records there, to paraphrase l p hartley. i venture to suggest there is no way wayne gibson (oops ) would be played as a new discovery now

Is that the yardtick of good taste for an oldie then? Whether or not you heard it in the 80's?

Paul and quite a few more on here weren't on the scene in the 80s.

And when you say "superceded by better things"... do you mean better, or rarer?

I've always thought Tainted Love is a great record, and I can't remember the last time I heard it played it out, whereas at a recent "upfront" event I heard Hamilton Movement and a few others played more than once in one night... alongside some records that may well be rare and covered up, but didn't have one tenth of the urgency of Tainted Love.

Perhaps Oldies are the new Upfront?

If we're wondering why new blood isn't coming onto the scene, it's not really due to the music being played IMHO, but rather the perception that northern/rare soul is dated in terms of it's presentation, style, promotion and general 'trendiness'. Personally, I don't agree with those views, but that's what people tell me. Also, I may be wrong, but most 25 year olds find the thought of going clubbing with people twice their age a bit naff, uncomfortable, and something they have to keep from their close friends for fear of being laughed at.

It's down to the people on the scene to attract new blood - fiddling with playlists to cater for one sub market is destined to end up in tears. .

Hammy

Perhaps Oldies are the new Upfront?

Have you read all the thread Dave. Bacon is the new 'oldies'

(PF tonight ?)

Have you read all the thread Dave. Bacon is the new 'oldies'

(PF tonight ?)

Oh you rascal

Have to say I have recently heard the odd 'classic' thrown into sets at "across the board" venues... (see for example the Gerri Grainger thread where a few people mention they've played that at the likes of the 100 Club and Middleton). Have seen mixed reactions - groans and grins But there are some DJs working some of these tunes into their sets - it's not always going to be the particular one that you want of course!

Maybe it's just because I'm easily bored, but I think because a lot of people have heard these tunes so many times, they keep their impact only if they're played occasionally.... same with anything, not just 'oldies' (I have no desire to hear the Hamilton Movement any time in the near future either!! ).

I really think it's just a case of trying out lots of venues and finding the ones that offer what you want.. vote with your feet, as has been said many times on here before...!

Edited March 10, 200619 yr by rachel