just picked up a few soul sams late wigan plays from the 70's/80's

Eloise Laws - If i dont watch out

Misty Graham - Soul Energy

CL Blast - Lets do something different tonight..

anyone remember em

EL is super soul...

just picked up a few soul sams late wigan plays from the 70's/80's

Eloise Laws - If i dont watch out

Misty Graham - Soul Energy

CL Blast - Lets do something different tonight..

anyone remember em

EL is super soul...

funny that i had been going througth some of my disco '12's the other week

when i was meant to be playing out

and had never really played the c.l blast one properly.

when i played "lets do something different tonight" i thought

man what a great modern soul tune...and now i know it was played out.

saying that i played it, not too a perceptive audience i must admit

but they didnt come flocking to the decks (or is it my ginger hair)

great record anyway

did it get a 45 release?

Big at Peterborough Fleet early 80s as well.

funny that i had been going througth some of my disco '12's the other week

when i was meant to be playing out

and had never really played the c.l blast one properly.

when i played "lets do something different tonight" i thought

man what a great modern soul tune...and now i know it was played out.

saying that i played it, not too a perceptive audience i must admit

but they didnt come flocking to the decks (or is it my ginger hair)

great record anyway

did it get a 45 release?

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yes mate on cotillion..

just picked up a few soul sams late wigan plays from the 70's/80's

Eloise Laws - If i dont watch out

Misty Graham - Soul Energy

CL Blast - Lets do something different tonight..

anyone remember em

EL is super soul...

i remember the eloise laws well mark - played as a new release, i remember it being played in the main room at wigan (as well as modern nights of the time), great record.....i really like the stylistics version too

here's another of sam's (forgotten?) records from about the same time, one of my all time favourites:

esther williams - i'll give you pleasure (rca)

do you know it?

I remember the eloise laws well mark - played as a new release, i remember it being played in the main room at wigan (as well as modern nights of the time), great record

Never realised it was played at t'Casino...found it on the US album on top of my racks a couple of years back and thought it might be worth a spin - maybe I'll get round to it one day!

Released a bit later than you thought though...

LAWS, ELOISE IF I DON'T WATCH OUT 1980 US LIBERTY LT-1083 LP ISSUE

Hippo.

Edited March 15, 200619 yr by Jerry Hipkiss

Never realised it was played at t'Casino...

yeah, for about a fortnight though!!!

came out on a 7" with a nice picture sleeve

yeah, for about a fortnight though!!!

No wonder I missed it - it obviously wasn't spun at Yate!

Hippo.

i remember the eloise laws well mark - played as a new release, i remember it being played in the main room at wigan (as well as modern nights of the time), great record.....i really like the stylistics version too

here's another of sam's (forgotten?) records from about the same time, one of my all time favourites:

esther williams - i'll give you pleasure (rca)

do you know it?

Yes but not by Sam, Searling played Eloise Laws, Sam was still playing junk like She Devil at that point and had been removed from the Casino to be replaced by Gary Rushbrooke, sorry to burst bubbles, but think there is a bit of selective memory going on here!

Cheers

Jock

PS Do know the Esther Williams but dont remember that from Casino ever (maybe its my memory thats selective )

And no Gavin I am not obsessed by car park, just making sure history is rewritten correctly!!\

Yes but not by Sam, Searling played Eloise Laws, Sam was still playing junk like She Devil at that point and had been removed from the Casino to be replaced by Gary Rushbrooke, sorry to burst bubbles, but think there is a bit of selective memory going on here!

Cheers

Jock

Hi Jock,

Sam was playing Eloise Laws at the time - Think he may have played this at Wigan in 1980 as a new release before he left Wigan.Would have to check my tape listings. How anoraky is that! Sam definately played CL Blast at Wigan and the Misty Graham (both on the tape I sent you Mark?). If you thought She Devil was bad what the hell did you make of Leon Peterson "Don't squeeze the sherm" ?!! Don't be too hard on Sam -Jock - it was shortly after this when he hit us with many top quality new release album cuts/7's etc.

Dicky boy definatley played it at Wigan from LP remember it as plain as the nose on my face

DJ

I like .......Leon Peterson "Don't squeeze the sherm"

I like .......Leon Peterson "Don't squeeze the sherm"

So do I! Got a copy too.

Sorry Jock - found the listing book - Wigan 13/12/80 - Sam playlist

1. Larry Brown - Breaking Training Tonight (Bits and pieces c/u)

2. Tommy tate - You taught me how to love - (Ivy Jo Hunter c/u)

3. Oscar Perry - Do It Til You're Satisfied (Syl Johnson c/u)

4. Phillip Mitchell - I'm So Happy

5. Eloise Laws - If I Don't Watch Out ***

6. Cheryl Berdell - Giving It All To You (Esther Williams c/u)

7. Misty Graham - Soul Energy

8. Ramsey and Co - LoveCall

9. Billy Nicholls - Diamond Ring (Flaming Emeralds c/u)

10. Skip Mahoney - Janice

11.ZZ & Co - Get Down - (Oscar perry c/u)

12. She Devil - She Devil (Especially for Jock :-)) )

13. Reuben Howell - You Can't Stop a man in love (Sandy Linzer c/u)

So do I! Got a copy too.

Sorry Jock - found the listing book - Wigan 13/12/80 - Sam playlist

1. Larry Brown - Breaking Training Tonight (Bits and pieces c/u)

2. Tommy tate - You taught me how to love - (Ivy Jo Hunter c/u)

3. Oscar Perry - Do It Til You're Satisfied (Syl Johnson c/u)

4. Phillip Mitchell - I'm So Happy

5. Eloise Laws - If I Don't Watch Out ***

6. Cheryl Berdell - Giving It All To You (Esther Williams c/u)

7. Misty Graham - Soul Energy

8. Ramsey and Co - LoveCall

9. Billy Nicholls - Diamond Ring (Flaming Emeralds c/u)

10. Skip Mahoney - Janice

11.ZZ & Co - Get Down - (Oscar perry c/u)

12. She Devil - She Devil (Especially for Jock :-)) )

13. Reuben Howell - You Can't Stop a man in love (Sandy Linzer c/u)

They are just a mixture of Dickys and Pat B' plays (well done for reminding me of Pat playing Oscar Perry, Billy Nicholls, and Reuben Howell, struggling to remember what stuff he was playing back in those days o other thread.), lack of imagination on Sam's part, even then .

To be honest was part of the gang who petitioned to get Sam replaced by Gary R, partly because Gary R was a big hero as DJ (and was scared of his wife!), partly because of She Devil and Leon Peterson type stuff (anyone remember Bruce Hanning at Clouds taking She Devil of when Sam was playing it!) and don't really remember Sam playing stuff like that until later, but that would be as only went to Wigan for that couple of years, and my memory is very selective!!.

And before anyone assumes I am joining the baggy vest brigade, just doing my bit for historical research and taking a bit of walk down nostalgia lane!

Who was it said you must remember the past to shape the future (Me??)

Cheers

Jock

Mr Salter you will have mail by this time tomorrow, or PM me your number and might even give you a call, if not working!

They are just a mixture of Dickys and Pat B' plays (well done for reminding me of Pat playing Oscar Perry, Billy Nicholls, and Reuben Howell, struggling to remember what stuff he was playing back in those days o other thread.), lack of imagination on Sam's part, even then .

To be honest was part of the gang who petitioned to get Sam replaced by Gary R, partly because Gary R was a big hero as DJ (and was scared of his wife!), partly because of She Devil and Leon Peterson type stuff (anyone remember Bruce Hanning at Clouds taking She Devil of when Sam was playing it!) and don't really remember Sam playing stuff like that until later, but that would be as only went to Wigan for that couple of years, and my memory is very selective!!.

And before anyone assumes I am joining the baggy vest brigade, just doing my bit for historical research and taking a bit of walk down nostalgia lane!

Who was it said you must remember the past to shape the future (Me??)

Cheers

Jock

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what would u look like now in a baggy vest jock?? as good as me i reckon...

billy nichols is brill aint it,,never heard and still cheap on west end

im glad robin identified she devil,,its one track on the tape i couldnt find out what it was...

shud get one in the morning....

i can imagine it being really difficult in 80/81 with attendances on the wane breaking new stuff...in such a large room week in week out...must have been hard for all the djs at the time.

regards

mark

So do I! Got a copy too.

Sorry Jock - found the listing book - Wigan 13/12/80 - Sam playlist

8. Ramsey and Co - LoveCall

12. She Devil - She Devil

How bad are these.... eewwww

Richard definately played Eloise Laws, used to play it on his Radio Hallam show a lot, LP only ?

How bad are these.... eewwww

Richard definately played Eloise Laws, used to play it on his Radio Hallam show a lot, LP only ?

Ramsey & Co is undergoing something of a revival at the moment

Ramsey & Co.....another good choon in my opinion

How bad are these.... eewwww

Richard definately played Eloise Laws, used to play it on his Radio Hallam show a lot, LP only ?

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i like love call,,,really rare as well ,,probably the funk guys are into it as well...its a little quirky a bit like jimmy thompson - jimmys place

eloise is on a 45 daz..on a picture sleeve

ill be giving it a spin at Ilkeston on Saturday anyway..

esther williams - i'll give you pleasure (rca)

do you know it?

It's "I'll be your pleasure" and i remember it as more of a Mecca / Ritz thang but then again my memory's shot anyway

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i like love call,,,really rare as well ,,probably the funk guys are into it as well...its a little quirky a bit like jimmy thompson - jimmys place

eloise is on a 45 daz..on a picture sleeve

ill be giving it a spin at Ilkeston on Saturday anyway..

look forward to that !!!

Chris M

Cheers

Jock

Mr Salter you will have mail by this time tomorrow, or PM me your number and might even give you a call, if not working!

Hi Jock, Yes should be in over the weekend - I'm off to The Sage Gateshead tonight to see Stan Tracey/Bobby Wellins and Harry Beckett. Proper 60's/50's UK Jazzers! Followed by Gilles Peterson DJ Set.

I'll pm home tel no. to you. I know you only want to talk cos Leeds are on a roll! Well at least Foxes doing much better so can hold head up a bit! I promise not to mention She Devil....

P.S. Missed Sam's last record off on that tape - it is the mighty "Theodore Life Orchestra" "NightTime Shadows" c/u...cannot remember who in real life...

A bit harsh on Sam to judge him by his brief spell at Wigan without taking into account the fact that at the time he was filling floors elsewhere like no other newies jock...........Cant remember 'She Devil',can anyone put a sound file up?

Hi Jock, Yes should be in over the weekend - I'm off to The Sage Gateshead tonight to see Stan Tracey/Bobby Wellins and Harry Beckett. Proper 60's/50's UK Jazzers! Followed by Gilles Peterson DJ Set.

I'll pm home tel no. to you. I know you only want to talk cos Leeds are on a roll! Well at least Foxes doing much better so can hold head up a bit! I promise not to mention She Devil....

P.S. Missed Sam's last record off on that tape - it is the mighty "Theodore Life Orchestra" "NightTime Shadows" c/u...cannot remember who in real life...

Robin sounds like a top night. Full report required please. Giles not been on form last couple of times I have seen him

A bit harsh on Sam to judge him by his brief spell at Wigan without taking into account the fact that at the time he was filling floors elsewhere like no other newies jock...........Cant remember 'She Devil',can anyone put a sound file up?

Ehh???

Sam was filling floors in 1980/81 like no-one else??? Where about and with what, I was just a young whippersnapper at time so would be interested to know what I was missing.

And I would suggest you define newies in the context you are talking about as surely no-one of sane mind could say anyone was beating Richard Searling at that time.

I wait with baited breath!

Jock

Struggling with the quote again so go with this.

Mark F, thankfully never wore a vest, however now would look like Rab C Nisbet, and even for a Scot thats not a good thing.

Interesting point re playing new music at Wigan 80/81, I think it was dead easy because the crowd was so small, some Saturdays there were about 100 in and 97 of these were in Mr M's so Searling, Brady, Rushbrooke and even Winstanley to a lesser extent could play what they wanted, I remember dancing to John and The Wierdest (Spyder Turner at the time) with only 2 people on the huge dance floor, the other person being one of the most soulful guys in the world Dave Molloy. Even Keith Minshull playing mostly oldies was able to play what he wanted and some of his tunes then were amazing/

So perversely it allowed the greatest music I have been priviledged to dance to be played, but again that was then, dont want it back, would like something different but with the same impact, think that is just me being wishful.

Cheers

Jock

PS Gavin to prove I have not turned into Mr Nostalgia agree about Giles P, seen him twice recently and absolutely garbage, last time I told him I could remember when he used to play black music and he got me thrown out!!!

Edited March 18, 200619 yr by jocko

Jocko

Its time to confess. When i worked at NME I went to interview Curtis Anderson in Baltimore.

He gave me a copy of a local Baltimore indie 45 called 'She Devil'. I had no way of playing it there and then. Later that day, I went to a local record shop and bought another four copies. It was only when I got home I realised it was shite.

So really sorry, it looked good, it seemed rare and it should have been brilliant but it wasn't. It happens to the best of us. How many times have you gone to a Hibs game believing they are the new Brazil?

Sorry it was my fault. Sam is innocent.

I blame the Jocks

Jocko

Its time to confess. When i worked at NME I went to interview Curtis Anderson in Baltimore.

He gave me a copy of a local Baltimore indie 45 called 'She Devil'. I had no way of playing it there and then. Later that day, I went to a local record shop and bought another four copies. It was only when I got home I realised it was shite.

So really sorry, it looked good, it seemed rare and it should have been brilliant but it wasn't. It happens to the best of us. How many times have you gone to a Hibs game believing they are the new Brazil?

Sorry it was my fault. Sam is innocent.

I blame the Jocks

Stuart tusk tusk, we made enough musical mistakes North of The Border without admitting to that one!! Surely your years of journalistic training taught you thats the kind of fact you cover up and deny all knowledge off!! Never knew the Curtis Anderson connection though,that is interesting, have your soul based NME articles hidden away somewhere in a box, obviously I just looked at the pictures at the time, you probably had too many big words for me. Whatever happened to that beautiful photographer you brought up to Fife when you were working for NME and did an article for Echoes? Think I followed her round that whole night. .

Hmm thankfully that record seems to have disapeared a bit like one of your other journalistic uncoverings from then Washington Go-Go (or whatever trendy term it had) some of which I did like (although not the 75 minute rambling tracks that some favoured) .

Hmm I think the only feasible connection between Hibs and Brazil (apart from our now bus driving ex player Ally) is the haircuts our young bucks favour, I do hope that we make your radio partner thoroughly miserable, if I see him I will tell you said to buy me a pie.

Cheers

Jock

Ehh???

Sam was filling floors in 1980/81 like no-one else??? Where about and with what, I was just a young whippersnapper at time so would be interested to know what I was missing.

And I would suggest you define newies in the context you are talking about as surely no-one of sane mind could say anyone was beating Richard Searling at that time.

I wait with baited breath!

Jock

Agree Richard was in a different league,but away from Wigan(The Fleet was my local) Sam was playing some corkers (Flame & King,Roy Dawson etc).......On top of which he sold me a Charles Johnson for a quid in the Wigan record bar,so I have to be nice.

Robin sounds like a top night. Full report required please. Giles not been on form last couple of times I have seen him

Yes Gavin, Superb concert - full on Jazz, really nice intimate venue. I really felt like I was watching a slice of history. Bobby Wellins playing sax with Stan Tracey Quartet....he's a 70 year old Glaswegian who obviously has seen it all, and has been recording since 1956. Fantastic and so moving. Also Harry Beckett - again must be 60+. And legend Stan Tracey too... I did'nt stay for Gilles - He was playing on the concourse as I came out (something quite tribally) and I did'nt want it to break the spell I was under...I just wanted to melt away into the night...

Yes Gavin, Superb concert - full on Jazz, really nice intimate venue. I really felt like I was watching a slice of history. Bobby Wellins playing sax with Stan Tracey Quartet....he's a 70 year old Glaswegian who obviously has seen it all, and has been recording since 1956. Fantastic and so moving. Also Harry Beckett - again must be 60+. And legend Stan Tracey too... I did'nt stay for Gilles - He was playing on the concourse as I came out (something quite tribally) and I did'nt want it to break the spell I was under...I just wanted to melt away into the night...

Sounds like heaven to me sir

That will be the Giles I am becoming to know unfortunatly

Soul Sams Stafford sessions were pretty good too . Heres a little bit of lost history on the below link

https://members.tripod.com/SoulfulKindaMusic/totwvenues.htm

Dont know the Tyrone Davis c/p though. Robin ( mastermind of the coverup) any ideas . Plus Searling 60's ones ??!!

Cheers

Simon Murray

Edited March 19, 200619 yr by Simon M

Soul Sams Stafford sessions were pretty good too . Heres a little bit of lost history on the below link

https://members.tripod.com/SoulfulKindaMusic/totwvenues.htm

Dont know the Tyrone Davis c/p though. Robin ( mastermind of the coverup) any ideas . Plus Searling 60's ones ??!!

Cheers

Simon Murray

Without listening to the link Simon, Sam's "Tyrone Davis" "A Changed Man" C/U at the time was the powerhouse that is Geater "Breathtaking Girl" House of orange.

Without listening to the link Simon, Sam's "Tyrone Davis" "A Changed Man" C/U at the time was the powerhouse that is Geater "Breathtaking Girl" House of orange.

Cheers Robin , I think our old friend Nigel Parker purchased that .

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i like love call,,,really rare as well ,,probably the funk guys are into it as well...its a little quirky a bit like jimmy thompson - jimmys place

Is Ramsey & Co worth owt?

P.S. Missed Sam's last record off on that tape - it is the mighty "Theodore Life Orchestra" "NightTime Shadows" c/u...cannot remember who in real life...

T.S.O.B

AKA

The Sound Of Boston

Without listening to the link Simon, Sam's "Tyrone Davis" "A Changed Man" C/U at the time was the powerhouse that is Geater "Breathtaking Girl" House of orange.

Don't think it got much of a push because he died of a coronarly a few months later, aged 38/9. Nige bought Sam's,don't what happened to it when he sold. Bought mine form Black Grape.

It's "I'll be your pleasure" and i remember it as more of a Mecca / Ritz thang but then again my memory's shot anyway

oh yeah

your memory is more intact than mine then

Struggling with the quote again so go with this.

Mark F, thankfully never wore a vest, however now would look like Rab C Nisbet, and even for a Scot thats not a good thing.

Interesting point re playing new music at Wigan 80/81, I think it was dead easy because the crowd was so small, some Saturdays there were about 100 in and 97 of these were in Mr M's so Searling, Brady, Rushbrooke and even Winstanley to a lesser extent could play what they wanted, I remember dancing to John and The Wierdest (Spyder Turner at the time) with only 2 people on the huge dance floor, the other person being one of the most soulful guys in the world Dave Molloy. Even Keith Minshull playing mostly oldies was able to play what he wanted and some of his tunes then were amazing/

So perversely it allowed the greatest music I have been priviledged to dance to be played, but again that was then, dont want it back, would like something different but with the same impact, think that is just me being wishful.

Cheers

Jock

PS Gavin to prove I have not turned into Mr Nostalgia agree about Giles P, seen him twice recently and absolutely garbage, last time I told him I could remember when he used to play black music and he got me thrown out!!!

Hmmmm,Yes, the days of the Wigan Pyramids with Mr Searling being coaxed off of the stage at the last minute to climb on top.Not really a good time for the Casino except for (as you rightly say) the music ,(& a bit of fun).

However,Yate,The Fleet,St Ives(Dayers),Nite Spot(Bedford),together with others I can't remember were really kicking with Sam( & Ian Clarke at Yate) being the main draw.