Does anyone have all 7?

Here's what I have:

1011 - The Superlatives - Do What You Want To Do/Forget About Tomorrow

1012 - Superlatives - Won't You Please (Be My Baby)/Don't Ever Leave Me

1013 - The Eldees - Don't Be Afraid To Love/You Broke My Heart

1014 - ???

1015 - ???

1016 - The Superlatives - I Don't Know How (To Say I Love You)/Lonely In A Crowd

1017 - The Superlatives - Don't Let True Love Die/She's My Wonder Woman

I've seen and accidentally passed on one my/the missing numbers on a trip up to Detroit a few years ago. It was the same label design as the Eldees, and I think it was an instrumental.

Also, I have a white demo copy of 1016. Do any other white demos of any release on this label exist?

Thanks,

Nick

This is 1014:

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/51033/DYNASONICS

I think 1015 is a very rare record, by a female solo artist, I can't remember the name though.

This is 1014:

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/51033/DYNASONICS

I think 1015 is a very rare record, by a female solo artist, I can't remember the name though.

The Dynasonics is the one I saw.

Also, I have a white demo copy of 1016. Do any other white demos of any release on this label exist?

I've had WDs of #1013.

I think 1015 is a very rare record, by a female solo artist, I can't remember the name though.

It's Ace Jones & The Blue Jays - Way Down Yonder/Letter To Mother.

Article on Soul Source about the label with the info taken from Detroit City Limits. I have the mag (all of them) in the garage.

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/articles/soul-articles/dynamics-label-listing-r402

I think the person who told me about the female thing actually said it was 1018, after the last listed number? Am I confused / making this up? Anyone who can corroborate?

I've never seen that 1015 number btw.

I think the person who told me about the female thing actually said it was 1018, after the last listed number? Am I confused / making this up? Anyone who can corroborate?

I've never seen that 1015 number btw.

I have Maxine Jenkins 'Black of Face' on Dynamics.

Same label but different numbering system to the above (would need to check numbers but not 1018).

Label colour is dark red.

Cheers

Richard

Someone sell me a 1012 please !!

I have a pretty clean 1012 to sell, but I just gave it to my friend Kim to price and take it to the UK. I can get her to send it back to me or send it to you, what is the going rate?

I have Maxine Jenkins 'Black of Face' on Dynamics.

Same label but different numbering system to the above (would need to check numbers but not 1018).

Label colour is dark red.

Cheers

Richard

THANK YOU that was what I was trying to think of.

I have all 7, the Dynasonics and the Ace jones aren't that good if I remember correctly. I'll play them tomorrow as it must be over ten years since I played them last.

Regards

Paul

That Maxine Jenkins' 45 may be on a different "Dynamics Records". Have you any proof that the label issuing her record was located in Detroit (and is a 1968 or 1969 release)?

As far as rarity, only 1014 and 1015 are rare. 1011, 1012, 1016 and 1017 were all fairly common in Detroit, and I've seen all of those in Chicago. I picked them all up new, as I did The Eldees (1013). But, the latter seems a fair amount scarcer than The Superlatives' releases. I haven't seen more than a handfull over the years. But I've NEVER seen 1014 or 1015 in person.

That Maxine Jenkins' 45 may be on a different "Dynamics Records". Have you any proof that the label issuing her record was located in Detroit (and is a 1968 or 1969 release)?

Yes Robb - it is credited on the label to Labney Music Publishing - like all or most of the other releases on Dynamics The label owner was Butler Abney.

It's on vinyl and the dead wax markings include Archer and GM both scratched in.

Not sure about date of release though. Maybe need to pull the record to have a look at the other details.

Cheers

Richard

Yes Robb - it is credited on the label to Labney Music Publishing - like all or most of the other releases on Dynamics The label owner was Butler Abney.

It's on vinyl and the dead wax markings include Archer and GM both scratched in.

Not sure about date of release though. Maybe need to pull the record to have a look at the other details.

Cheers

Richard

Thanks, Richard. So, it could be either BEFORE or AFTER the 1000 series.

Yes Robb - it is credited on the label to Labney Music Publishing - like all or most of the other releases on Dynamics The label owner was Butler Abney.

It's on vinyl and the dead wax markings include Archer and GM both scratched in.

Not sure about date of release though. Maybe need to pull the record to have a look at the other details.

Cheers

Richard

Previous topic of yours about the disc Richard....

Previous topic of yours about the disc Richard....

Thanks Chalky - I forgot about that - saves me pulling and scanning the 45 now too

Cheers

Richard

Can you remember the deadwax details Richard? Be interesting to compare with the 1011 release. Looks earlier though.

That Maxine Jenkins' record's Archer pressing code should reveal its approximate release date- telling whether it was released before or after the 1011-1017 series. My guess is that it was released after, as it looks like a higher Archer number than I'm normally used to, and most of my records were released before 1968. I don't have a list of Archer pressing codes (Ron Murphy did). But, isn't it on Dave Rimmer's list?

Can you remember the deadwax details Richard? Be interesting to compare with the 1011 release. Looks earlier though.

That Maxine Jenkins' record's Archer pressing code should reveal its approximate release date- telling whether it was released before or after the 1011-1017 series. My guess is that it was released after, as it looks like a higher Archer number than I'm normally used to, and most of my records were released before 1968. I don't have a list of Archer pressing codes (Ron Murphy did). But, isn't it on Dave Rimmer's list?

I still have the record, so will look it out and let you know the info when I get a chance

Cheers

Richard

Edited January 27, 201312 yr by Premium Stuff

Going off topic a bit, but is the story of the Superlatives well documented anywhere (in the booklet notes of an Ace / Kent Westbound CD maybe) ??

Any pointers as where I could look much appreciated.

It seems that Butler Abney, Dynamics Records it's releases & artists weren't really interested in breaking much outside Detroit as none even get a mention in any editions of Billboard mag.

The Superlatives get a passing comment in a big Billboard piece on Westbound Records in late 1974 .... but the main thrust of that info is how the 'Westbound guys' (Boladian & Mendelson) jumped in when Motown quit the city and signed up many black acts that had a good club reputation across the Michigan to Illinois areas. When they had product out, Boladian would visit radio stns such as WJLB, WCAB, WGPP and even CKLW in attempt to secure airtime for the label's new 45 (or LP tracks).

Armen Boladian's 1st break in the mid 60's seemed to be the profile he established getting behind "You're The One" by the Vogues on Co & Ce when he was ordering stock at a local record distributors. By 1969, he was president of Detroit's Record Distributors Corporation and he started Westbound at about the same time.

Edited January 27, 201312 yr by Roburt

I still have the record, so will look it out and let you know the info when I get a chance

Cheers

Richard

The pressing numbers look like 11241 and 11242. As I stated above, those look like very late '60s numbers (1968, 1969 or, possibly, 1970?) I'd guess Maxine's record was released just AFTER Dynamics 1017-rather than just before Dynamics 1011.

Edited January 27, 201312 yr by RobbK

I'm deliberately double-posting as there seem to be new and old threads going on this ...

Dead wax shows 'Archer' scratched in 'GM' scratched in, an 'R' scratched in with a squiggle loop on the tail of the 'R' on both sides.

The matrix numbers are 'A-11241' and 'A-11242' scratched in respectively.

I got mine from John Anderson I recall.

Cheers

Richard

Edited January 27, 201312 yr by Premium Stuff

I also have a record on Dynamics D-1101 by Johnny Adams.

It is on a silver label, with black print, and has a similar design to some of the other releases with 'Dynamics' in a box.

The label address is shown as 5603 16th Street, Detroit.

Titles are 'I'm Grateful' and 'Going To The City'.

This was also released on the Gone label.

Never been sure about it's provenance, date, originality etc. on Dynamics.

Cheers

Richard

Are those numbers archer matrix though?

Are those numbers archer matrix though?

Dunno mate - maybe Robb knows?

Cheers

Richard

I only remember personally seeing specific records pressed at Archer going up into the 9000s. But that doesn't mean they didn't go into 10,000 and 11,000, because most of my records were released before 1968, and I have none that I know of, that were pressed at Archer after 1967. So, they likely move on to the 11,000s by, perhaps 1969 or 1970. (Which is precisely why I'd tend to lean towards the post Dynamics 1017 period for the Maxine Jenkins record, which should be late 1969 or, perhaps early 1970 (given that Dynamics' supposed run was from 1968 through 1969). If it were pressed before Dynamics 1011, I'd expect the Archer pressing number to be lower (perhaps in the 10,000s?). Unfortunately, the Anorak's Corner Pressing Plant Data lists Archer as a pressing plant, but provides no data on it, and no code numbers.

We had a very good informational thread on Soulful Detroit Forum in the early 2000s, which included pressing plant code numbers for various Detroit and Midwest plants (Archer included). But, I've looked for it, and failed to find it. A large percentage of the pre-2004 threads were lost when our co-founder and technical expert, Lowell Boileau, moved the SDF Archives from the old website to our current website (with much larger memory and storage capacity). Unfortunately, many of those pre-2004 threads had lots of information from posters such as Joe Hunter, Ron Murphy and other Detroit Music industry industry musicians, singers, label owners and record collectors who are now deceased. That valuable stockpile of information may be lost, forever.

I also have a record on Dynamics D-1101 by Johnny Adams.

It is on a silver label, with black print, and has a similar design to some of the other releases with 'Dynamics' in a box.

The label address is shown as 5603 16th Street, Detroit.

Titles are 'I'm Grateful' and 'Going To The City'.

This was also released on the Gone label.

Never been sure about it's provenance, date, originality etc. on Dynamics.

Cheers

Richard

I've never seen that address related to any Detroit record label. Furthermore, I know of no connection of Johnny Adams to Detroit (other than the fact that Motown distributed Chisa Records (but they were located in LA). I wouldn't be surprised if it were a boot. Gone records closed their doors in 1965. Dynamics Records started in 1968. Why would the master from a George Goldner label (whose rights were sold to giant Roulette Records (and all still owned by them in 1968)) end up being released on a miniscule Detroit label? This makes no sense at all. This looks like a red herring to hide the origin of the bootleg. I've seen "When I'm Gone" by Brenda Holloway pressed on Ric Tic Records. That doesn't make it legitimate.

What music publishing company is listed for the songs? I'll bet it's not Labney Music.

I'm bumping this up, so we can get some feedback on the Johnny Adams "Dynamics" release.