Intrigued, £2,250 for a record that you won't know who it is until after you buy it. The person selling it wants to keep its identity a secret!

 

I have never liked cover ups for reasons stated in previous posts and this record just adds to my hate for them. reveal the soddin title FFS! 

 

https://www.rarenorthernsoul.com

What's ridiculous about ? Going to venues and 'vinyl searching/collecting' are different things .

 

And cover ups are all about going to venues. And its always ironic when second hand record buyers moan about bits of the scene being disrespectful to artists, when its all about their greed for vinyl.

 

How many people moaning about cover ups actually go to up front venues?

Another example of the Northern scene being  anodynised and sanitised into something it never was.

One example of a cover-up that is now exposed would be Johnny Praye "Can't get too much love"

This tune now seems to have died a death, i never hear this on the circuit, was it a case of here

today gone tomorrow?

 

Neil,wasn't that exposed years back.? Time to let it lie as Vic and Bob say.

It's a sad state of affairs that we have come to this and Sir Joe etc as the best new discoveries. 

 

Time me to call it a day?

 

Two different animals Phil. One soft and cuddly.  Sir Joe isn't new either.

Edited April 8, 201510 yr by KevH

And cover ups are all about going to venues. And its always ironic when second hand record buyers moan about bits of the scene being disrespectful to artists, when its all about their greed for vinyl.

 

How many people moaning about cover ups actually go to up front venues?

Another example of the Northern scene being  anodynised and sanitised into something it never was.

 

There are very few on this scene who actually do anything for artists, for the vast majority when it comes to second hand records it is about themselves, their event and as you say mate their greed for vinyl.  

Hardly here today gone tomorrow, it's been played since the early 90's by Butch.

Like i said, i don't hear it on the circuit, was it or was it not covered up by Andy during the Middleton era?

There are very few on this scene who actually do anything for artists, for the vast majority when it comes to second hand records it is about themselves, their event and as you say mate their greed for vinyl.  

 

Hard to actually do something for the artist though unless you mean attending live events.My way of saying thanks is by keeping the records,enjoying playing them,and hopefully keeping their memory alive. Most people who collect become greedy at some stage and would trample over folks at times to get a certain want.

There are some good people around who do great things for the artists who are still with us,and their memories.

Sorry off topic. 

Nice but but sounds like it is building to a killer chorus and when the chorus comes it's rather a letdown...

Hi Stans son. Wasn't really on about the quality of the tune, just examples of cover-ups. 

What's ridiculous about ? Going to venues and 'vinyl searching/collecting' are different things .

Going to venues, finding new stuff, collecting.... arguing, it's all integrating on the Soul scene

If i get the opportunity to attend a soul event i just want to hear music that makes me happy tap my feet and feel good

Sadly with having cancer thats a rare event for me

But in good health the above applies

Its still whats in the grooves that matters

We all have a different ear for a tune and thats good but im usually drawn to an event where i know the people who play the music and agree with my ear

Whether a record is £3 £30 £300 or even £3000

One example of a cover-up that is now exposed would be Johnny Praye "Can't get too much love"

This tune now seems to have died a death, i never hear this on the circuit, was it a case of here

today gone tomorrow?

Thing is with records like Johnny Praye ..just using this as an example..they are indeed rare records..not many people have them..so when the likes of Butch who plays upfront drops them from the playlist there aren't that many who are capable of playing them...cos the haven't got them..they do come around again..just need to look at some of the records played at Stafford for example..

 

With reference the Bettye Swann c/up..it.s ok..but doesnt really do it for me...personal taste

Edited April 8, 201510 yr by john parker

Like i said, i don't hear it on the circuit, was it or was it not covered up by Andy during the Middleton era?

 

Andy got a copy early Lifeline's. Up util then it had been and still was a cover up for Butch, JJ Jackson.

Edited April 8, 201510 yr by chalky

Fair comments re; Johnny Praye. If Butch did play this in the 90's was it covered up back then?

And why then after about a 15 year gap did it get covered, all of a sudden it got plenty of air time.

 

Posted just b4 reading Chalky's responce

Edited April 8, 201510 yr by Labeat

Nothing wrong with personal taste, its the hypocrosy on here that makes me laugh.  If all those knocking the record found one today they would have a totally different opinion and would either keep it or sell it for a "daft" amount. Most of those knocking and doing their best to uncover records on here have nothing to do with the current all-nighter scene.   I always kept my mouth shut, still do, if I found out what a cover up is in the hope of finding one, either for myself or make a bit of money.

To a certain degree your right LA but most people in the majority of venues are not 'collectors' - they just like the music  . Being a 'top collector' definitely does not make someone a 'top DJ' . Also [as has been said before] there are legions of collectors that never set foot in a venue . 'Newies' like the 45 in question seem to have far more interest because they are 'rare' - rather than any musical quality .

Yes, lot's of unassuming collectors out there with records to die for no doubt.

A man in your next village may have a stamp collection worth thousands

. 'Newies' like the 45 in question seem to have far more interest because they are 'rare' - rather than any musical quality .

 

In your opinion, obviously, to many people they obviously think it has musical merit. And in all honesty I think Andy D and Steve G have a pretty good record on their taste, so maybe you need to step back from insulting all and sundry, just because you want to prove a point..

 

Personally its a pretty decent Denise La-Salle type Southern mover I would pay attention to. Its no Larry Clinton on Northern stakes, but then neither are 99% of the cheap records or expensive records that have been played on the scene.

I'm all in favour of cover up's, but they need to be worth covering. Otherwise who cares? 

I'm all in favour of cover up's, but they need to be worth covering. Otherwise who cares? 

 

Again that is your personal taste, others think different otherwise they wouldn't cover it or any record up and play it.  There has been many cover ups not to my taste but I respect the DJ who has covered it and his reasons. It is nigh on impossible to get an unknown today.  And one wonders why many of those at the sharp end offer no information on here when you read topics like this and previously Tommy and the Derby's. 

Again that is your personal taste, others think different otherwise they wouldn't cover it or any record up and play it.  There has been many cover ups not to my taste but I respect the DJ who has covered it and his reasons. It is nigh on impossible to get an unknown today.  And one wonders why many of those at the sharp end offer no information on here when you read topics like this and previously Tommy and the Derby's. 

I like Tommy & The Derby's.

 

I once tried to cover a record up, before it was half way through someone came up to the decks and told me what it was. 

I'm all in favour of cover up's, but they need to be worth covering. Otherwise who cares? 

Ah ha, this is where it is debatable, half of Butch's cover up's a person could like, his other half disliked.

I too am in favour whether i like a tune or not

I'm all in favour of cover up's, but they need to be worth covering. Otherwise who cares? 

 

Exactly Phil. Once a c/u is played ,it raises its profile,if a well known dj plays it. All the hounds are out to find it,nothing wrong with that. Interesting that you say "needs to be worth covering". That is indeed a big debate.

Ive just listened to Betty Swanne again,and it reminded me of a record i sold on here to a very discerning collector.

Margo and the Soul Trio - "There is no one" on Soul World.

I'd put this record up against BSwann if you're looking for a southern soul feel.

offtopic 'joke' deleted

Any of you attended Go Go Children last Saturday Night,will know it i played it out and packed the floor

 

now did i play it covered up yes or no, only the Go Go people will know,          

 

Now back to me Pruning       

 

Mick H

Well the answer to what it is is on page one

Ive just listened to Betty Swanne again,and it reminded me of a record i sold on here to a very discerning collector.

Margo and the Soul Trio - "There is no one" on Soul World.

I'd put this record up against BSwann if you're looking for a southern soul feel.

 

I have that Kev, came out on two label designs too.

Maybe if those who only hear it through a computer heard it out "Live" they would have a different opinion,

and that can be said for many a mediocre tune.... volume enhances a record

I have that Kev, came out on two label designs too.

 

Thats the one Chalky,2 worlds or plain design.

I have that Kev, came out on two label designs too.

 

I have that too and plenty of others will have too since it was a soul pack record, and that's the point….Mar-Go is a known sound whereas Bettye Swann wasn't.

Any of you attended Go Go Children last Saturday Night,will know it i played it out and packed the floor

 

 

Mick H

Same reaction at Skeggy and Filthy Soul Mick 

I have that too and plenty of others will have too since it was a soul pack record, and that's the point….Mar-Go is a known sound whereas Bettye Swann wasn't.

 

I'll put BS down as a "grower" Steve.  It didn't have the same impact as Mar-go on first hearing,soul pack or not.

Edited April 8, 201510 yr by KevH

Any of you attended Go Go Children last Saturday Night,will know it i played it out and packed the floor

 

now did i play it covered up yes or no, only the Go Go people will know,          

 

Now back to me Pruning       

 

Mick H

Great minds think alike Mick

 

 

I've just come in to take a break from the pruning..Soul Source 'cup of tea and a Twix....

Best £3 i spent about 6/7 years ago maxine weldon i want sunday back again 45 from manship

..

 

And this is where I think you are missing the point Sean. Finding an "unknown" for the rare soul scene is not about going on JM's site and spending £3 on a decent AND KNOWN ballad / floater / front room soul pack record many of us got years ago…... I just can't imagine Maxine Weldon getting spins at Niters and upfront venues somehow. But I'll let the Soul Source Juke Box Jury make their own minds up about this one….

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwwA-TJ17kY

You miss my point steve

A mate noticed the 45 and tipped me it was there because its a fantastic tune not to play anywhere other than at home or on radio

Im not interested in breaking records unlike others on here

when attending events or playing music at events its the music that counts for me

Simple as

Maybe if those who only hear it through a computer heard it out "Live" they would have a different opinion,

and that can be said for many a mediocre tune.... volume enhances a record

Now that is very true, and I have had to hold my hand up on a few occasions in the past.

 

However in my defence I have got some very decent quality speakers plugged into my computer these days, and am able to ratchet the volume up to get a better "feel" of any sound file.

Same reaction at Skeggy and Filthy Soul Mick 

Like you say Steve the ones slagging this don,t venture any further than there armchair ,a great new discovery

going down dam well at the upfront venues of  the uk & Europe

Edited April 8, 201510 yr by ruppy

Like you say Steve the ones slagging this don,t venture any further than there armchair ,a great new discovery

going down dam well at the upfront venues of  the uk & Europe

 

You can't use that old line, I don't have to go out anywhere to hear that it's substandard filler material which would have been laughed out of the place 20 years ago, and of course none of you would play it if it was £20 and on the Stax label anyway.  Upfront...step back more like.

I remember certain average  Jimmy bo Horne on Dade ,Bobby Kline ending up in   Soul Bowl packs

say no more

Edited April 8, 201510 yr by ruppy

I remember certain average  Jimmy bo Horne on Dade ,Bobby Kline ending up in   Soul Bowl packs

say no more

Sorry Mick, but you can't possibly rate this Betty Swan in the same league as those two?

And this is where I think you are missing the point Sean. Finding an "unknown" for the rare soul scene is not about going on JM's site and spending £3 on a decent AND KNOWN ballad / floater / front room soul pack record many of us got years ago…... I just can't imagine Maxine Weldon getting spins at Niters and upfront venues somehow. But I'll let the Soul Source Juke Box Jury make their own minds up about this one….

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwwA-TJ17kY

 

Is that part aimed at my "Margo" post Steve.?

"spending £3 on a decent AND KNOWN ballad / floater / front room soul pack record many of us got years ago"…... 

 

Its up for sale on CM's for 175$,and has sold anywhere from 36$ to £100,even JM's got 200 on it.So,not that well known i'd imagine or hanging about in everyone's collection .Half a dozen on popsike going back to 2010.

Is that part aimed at my "Margo" post Steve.?

"spending £3 on a decent AND KNOWN ballad / floater / front room soul pack record many of us got years ago"…... 

 

Its up for sale on CM's for 175$,and has sold anywhere from 36$ to £100,even JM's got 200 on it.So,not that well known i'd imagine or hanging about in everyone's collection .Half a dozen on popsike going back to 2010.

 

No it was a response to Sean. 

No it was a response to Sean. 

 

 

That's me fooked then.

That's me fooked then.

 

No not at all my Mar Go came from a Soul Pack, how many came that way I have no idea( Jimmy Bo Horne incidentally was also a soul pack 45 as was Channel 3 etc.). 

Phil, i,am not saying its as good as this or that,the point is it a great new 45 to the rare Nighter scene goes,down well every where myself,Butch ,Andy ,& Steve play it,and has a lot of miles in it,

 

Now i aint going to slag off the Jimmy bo hornes of this world a great oldie it  is  ,but if i turned up a a rare nighter every week

having to listen to Jimmy bo horne it would piss me right off,not just me but all the rare Nighter scene crowd who travel far a field to listen to something new

 

now as a dj who does both upfront  and oldies Allnighters , i know what to play and listen to at both, allnighters different tastes for different people,

 

and regardless of the price its up for its what the buyers are prepared to pay for a 45

 

funny enough one of my discovery,s from 14 year ago is on ebay at the moment,Dynamics Lonely man on Dyno

first copy ever to come up for sale on ebay,now a lot of you on here who dont do the rare  nighter scene wont know it

you will in ten mins when you listen to the sound clip.a good few of you Like pete,will say its trash,your opinion

 

but i tell you this it will fetch over $5000 us ,that proves there is a demand for new tunes ,and people who appreciate

rare 45s from all over the world will pay what ever to get a copy of rare 45s they are chasing

 

and nice to know the rare scene is healthy and alive,and may it continue

I remember certain average  Jimmy bo Horne on Dade ,Bobby Kline ending up in   Soul Bowl packs

say no more

 

Sorry, had to laugh at that because I can't stand those two either, but I also can't stand that Buddy Smith record either so it probably says more about my taste than the actual records.  I just never got anything from them, listening wise.

 

 

 

 

funny enough one of my discovery,s from 14 year ago is on ebay at the moment,Dynamics Lonely man on Dyno

first copy ever to come up for sale on ebay,now a lot of you on here who dont do the rare  nighter scene wont know it

you will in ten mins when you listen to the sound clip.a good few of you Like pete,will say its trash,your opinion

 

 

Oh come on Mick, you should know by now I speak my mind about things, if it's bad I'll say it's bad, if it's good I'll say it's good, but one thing I won't do is say it's bad just for the sake of it.  I don't really like any crossover records so I was obviously not going to like this 'new' one.

Phil, i,am not saying its as good as this or that,the point is it a great new 45 to the rare Nighter scene goes,down well every where myself,Butch ,Andy ,& Steve play it,and has a lot of miles in it,

 

Now i aint going to slag off the Jimmy bo hornes of this world a great oldie it  is  ,but if i turned up a a rare nighter every week

having to listen to Jimmy bo horne it would piss me right off,not just me but all the rare Nighter scene crowd who travel far a field to listen to something new

 

now as a dj who does both upfront  and oldies Allnighters , i know what to play and listen to at both, allnighters different tastes for different people,

 

and regardless of the price its up for its what the buyers are prepared to pay for a 45

 

funny enough one of my discovery,s from 14 year ago is on ebay at the moment,Dynamics Lonely man on Dyno

first copy ever to come up for sale on ebay,now a lot of you on here who dont do the rare  nighter scene wont know it

you will in ten mins when you listen to the sound clip.a good few of you Like pete,will say its trash,your opinion

 

but i tell you this it will fetch over $5000 us ,that proves there is a demand for new tunes ,and people who appreciate

rare 45s from all over the world will pay what ever to get a copy of rare 45s they are chasing

 

and nice to know the rare scene is healthy and alive,and may it continue

 

Dynamics - now you're talking quality Mick.!!

 

funny enough one of my discovery,s from 14 year ago is on ebay at the moment,Dynamics Lonely man on Dyno

first copy ever to come up for sale on ebay,now a lot of you on here who dont do the rare  nighter scene wont know it

you will in ten mins when you listen to the sound clip.a good few of you Like pete,will say its trash,your opinion

 

but i tell you this it will fetch over $5000 us ,that proves there is a demand for new tunes ,and people who appreciate

rare 45s from all over the world will pay what ever to get a copy of rare 45s they are chasing

 

and nice to know the rare scene is healthy and alive,and may it continue

 

Dynamics is a Carolionas legendary 45, but mine is vg so I am selective when it comes out   Agree on the rare scene.

Legendary ?

 

Classic?

Legendary ?

 

Its legendary in the Carolinas as hardly anyone there has it. Known copies are mostly over here…First heard this mid 90s, Sam had a copy and sold it….very hard record.

  The words deciet, greed amongst other alleged means and  conduct  supposedly used in the sale and promoting of  more recent vinyl finds.... Really ! I  thought i would at least pass on how this 45 originally came about as my name is in the mix.... but firstly do people really think that any buyer wouldn't see a 45 before a deal was done ...                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anways for what it's worth, i was introduced to this record by  Guy Hennigan who played it at a soul night around 20 years ago - he ended his set with it and i was next up. He asked me if i knew it which i didn't. Making a mental note of it i tried to find it for over 10 years stateside without any luck, meanwhile i ran segments of info by all the folk i know in the U.K not one had heard, seen or had it before. Then a mate who lives local to where the 45 originates found a copy around 10 years ago which is the copy i have been playing, he then found 3 more which were sold on.

 To answer a few posts , the copy in question up for sale is not my copy ( i deal in soul 45's why would it be ? i collect soul 45's why would i wanna sell my copy ? )  Would i have listed it up for sale on a list no - but hey the seller of this particular copy works records in the way that is best for his company - maybe the reaction from posters on this thread  is why many record deals are done in the back ground ? whoever you are ockers,surfy jim g etc. ? why not at least put a name to your posts and maybe run a few examples of some of your recent discoveries.... 

 The cover up name of Bettye Swann came from it's similarity musically to "Make Me Yours" nothing to do with the vocal comparison, the Lorraine Rudolph name came from a mate i played it down the phone .

  To compare it to hey day records is ridiculous, it's not a straight northern record ... then again what is? Quite frankly if these kind of records are regarded as sub standard, ordinary or even like a Stax/Atlantic b side ( mm.. two of the most prolific black music related labels) then it's probably a blessing that those thinking this don't venture out to venues trying out more recent finds....

 Irrespective of price tag i struggle to figure out what is poor about the record, vocally it's great, the song is fine and the backing track is infectious.....That said everyone  likes different stuff.