This looks a bit strange, very shiny vinyl, only marking on B side run-out '7035B' - when I see it for sale (today) exclusively for sale in Holland B side label has stamp "American Import & an address in the Hague" - looks very booty. Can anyone shine any light on it?

Thanks & happy holidays

Chris L

Holland's Surinaamse bootleg.

1 hour ago, Tlscapital said:

Holland's Surinaamse bootleg.

Is that really true?

Probably true.

When I used to trawl round Amsterdam looking for records there would be loads of strange bootlegs. Clyde Mcphatter on Audio Arts being one I remember distinctly!

27 minutes ago, Tricky said:

Probably true.

When I used to trawl round Amsterdam looking for records there would be loads of strange bootlegs. Clyde Mcphatter on Audio Arts being one I remember distinctly!

I'm pretty sure it's a boot, label is too small, strange paper used, vinyl looks very new. I live in Belgium and here they boot away quite happily (or did). 

3 hours ago, Tricky said:

Probably true.

When I used to trawl round Amsterdam looking for records there would be loads of strange bootlegs. Clyde Mcphatter on Audio Arts being one I remember distinctly!

Yes there are plenty of Dutch bootlegs around, usually booted for the Suriname Soul Scene.

But they were almost all Deep Soul or ballads.

So why The Temps 45 was booted I don''t know. Maybe a ballad flipside ?

Cheers Paul

And that's the Surinamese community in the Netherlands in case anyone's confused , not records booted/pressed in Holland and sent to Suriname. 

32 minutes ago, Soul Shrews said:

Yes there are plenty of Dutch bootlegs around, usually booted for the Suriname Soul Scene.

But they were almost all Deep Soul or ballads.

So why The Temps 45 was booted I don''t know. Maybe a ballad flipside ?

Cheers Paul

It's indeed a weak Temptations kind of ballad (perfect fit for the Surinamese thingy) called 'Baby, baby I need you'... Totally forgettable. Mind you all these Surinamese boots I've seen respected the original pressings flips in not the labels at all times.

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DEFINITELY a Boot!

Slightly off topic.

Is there an actual Surinamese scene? Venues etc.

5 hours ago, Tricky said:

Slightly off topic.

Is there an actual Surinamese scene? Venues etc.

Yep, looks like it.

8 hours ago, Tricky said:

Slightly off topic.

Is there an actual Surinamese scene? Venues etc.

There was in the 70s maybe early 80s

Cheers Paul

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So was this Europe's first Lowrider scene , as opposed to the UK's Deep Soul at the time in the 70s ?

3 hours ago, Happy Feet said:

So was this Europe's first Lowrider scene , as opposed to the UK's Deep Soul at the time in the 70s ?

I'd say no. The Surinameses "sound" involved way too much oddities too. Far from being 'soul' orientated or even mostly we have yet to catch what made 'IT' when we browse through them in Holland's record stores.

Northern Soul is easier to resume as a 'club dance sound', Belgium Pop-Corn too as a mid tempo to dance R'n'R in slow-motion and the Carolina's Beach-Sound too as a 'happy go lucky' uplifting soul dance sound.

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On 27/12/2024 at 20:08, Tlscapital said:

It's indeed a weak Temptations kind of ballad (perfect fit for the Surinamese thingy) called 'Baby, baby I need you'... Totally forgettable. Mind you all these Surinamese boots I've seen respected the original pressings flips in not the labels at all times.

For once I have to disagree with you on this. I really like Baby Baby I Need You but it was a much earlier recording to Girl Why You Wanna Make Me Blue so sounds out of place as the B side. It has the sound and tempo that would fit the Surinam clubs in the 70/80s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOUfiY7GJCc

 

5 minutes ago, Rick Cooper said:

For once I have to disagree with you on this. I really like Baby Baby I Need You but it was a much earlier recording to Girl Why You Wanna Make Me Blue so sounds out of place as the B side. It has the sound and tempo that would fit the Surinam clubs in the 70/80s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOUfiY7GJCc

 

To each its own. I love some early Temptations. 'Slow Down Heart' being one I really dig. But not all. And this one not.

On 28/12/2024 at 11:15, Tricky said:

Slightly off topic.

Is there an actual Surinamese scene? Venues etc.

There was but not sure if still going. This is a CD from 1999 that gives a little info and shows the tracks from back then. I used to sell records to a shop in Rotterdam and a DJ in Amsterdam. I got to know the sort of records they wanted by listening to the stuff they bought. The DJ wanted me to find new tracks for him as there was competition to have the best records. They would cover up the labels or more frequently scratch the label or obliterate it. 

Some tracks were on the other side of northern records, such as Sam and Kitty- Love Is The Greatest and James Barnett Take a Good Look. Most of the records back then would be late 60s or early 70s but the CD selection here look to be from playlists from the 1990s as the tracks are not ones I remember from my selling days.

I got to like most of their tracks and rate them just as much as some northern records. Sometimes they could be a little weird but the same goes for over here or Belgian Popcorn. One of the big sounds in mid 70s is Gloria Walker - Walking With My New Love, and is a good example of the type of music played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ChfMBSs2Jg

There were a lot of bootlegs such as the Temptations one but some would be legal re-presses from the US labels. There is a UK pressing of Mitty Collier- Share What You Got on Peachtree licensed from William Bell that was done for the shop in Rotterdam. Sometimes there was enough old stock to meet demand so no need to boot/ re-issue.

The audience for these records would be in their 30 or 40s in the late 1970s so can't see there are still clubs for them now, more likely reminiscing in care homes. I wonder if there are some big collections in the Netherlands waiting to be found. 

 

Thanks Rick.

Sheds light on the Mitty Collier.I always thought that seemed a little strange.