which one of these releases is the first original pressing of 'going to a happening' by Tommy Neal??

And which release should I try to get??

Value??

thanks guys!

Edited August 29, 200717 yr by eedeecee

11 minutes ago, Wheelsville1 said:

Surley if popcorn wylie was not paid by vault and gave no permision for this to be sold to u.k. decca and he had all bmi rights to this song then yes the vocalion copies are bootlegs. 

Terminology for bootleg,to produce,reproduce or distribute without authorization. 

This article appeared in Record World and Cashbox around the same time. I think that they legitimately leased the single but there was probably something buried in the contract that they thought gave them the right to re-release "Going To A Happening" to whoever they wanted to . 

 

6 hours ago, The Yank said:

This article appeared in Record World and Cashbox around the same time. I think that they legitimately leased the single but there was probably something buried in the contract that they thought gave them the right to re-release "Going To A Happening" to whoever they wanted to . 

 

I think they were a bunch of crooks at vault,firstly for not paying popcorn wylie and secondly for claiming it was a vault recording which as we all know it is ala king.

8 hours ago, Wheelsville1 said:

Surley if popcorn wylie was not paid by vault and gave no permision for this to be sold to u.k. decca and he had all bmi rights to this song then yes the vocalion copies are bootlegs. 

i`ll wager the majority of usa artists didnt know of their material being issued nationally or overseas and what about backing tracks being borrowed.. don gardner had no memory of the cheating kind... does that make it a bootleg..  as i said earlier about the london darrell bank that they never had the rights to..thats 2 expensive bootlegs at the top of the tree if we look at it that way.. but i`m sure somewhere down the line paperwork will exist as i dont think uk decca was in the habit of knowingly putting 45s out without permission.. in all honesty i take what the `stars` say with a massive pinch of salt as they are only human and one human frailty is to let theirs mouths run away with them... especially when they have an audience usually in awe of them.. the only boots that are worth campaigning about are the ones actually done for the soul scene in the uk and original USA material put out in the 60s/70s or 80s is just best left alone for the good of the scene and everything connected with it

13 minutes ago, Dave Pinch said:

i`ll wager the majority of usa artists didnt know of their material being issued nationally or overseas and what about backing tracks being borrowed.. don gardner had no memory of the cheating kind... does that make it a bootleg..  as i said earlier about the london darrell bank that they never had the rights to..thats 2 expensive bootlegs at the top of the tree if we look at it that way.. but i`m sure somewhere down the line paperwork will exist as i dont think uk decca was in the habit of knowingly putting 45s out without permission.. in all honesty i take what the `stars` say with a massive pinch of salt as they are only human and one human frailty is to let theirs mouths run away with them... especially when they have an audience usually in awe of them.. the only boots that are worth campaigning about are the ones actually done for the soul scene in the uk and original USA material put out in the 60s/70s or 80s is just best left alone for the good of the scene and everything connected with it

I still stand my ground,i think that vault did the deal with decca through the back door hence by the time it was pressed on vocalion there is no mention of ala king at all. I am not saying that decca were dodgy but i definatly think vault were.

1 hour ago, Dave Pinch said:

i`ll wager the majority of usa artists didnt know of their material being issued nationally or overseas and what about backing tracks being borrowed.. don gardner had no memory of the cheating kind... does that make it a bootleg..  as i said earlier about the london darrell bank that they never had the rights to..thats 2 expensive bootlegs at the top of the tree if we look at it that way.. but i`m sure somewhere down the line paperwork will exist as i dont think uk decca was in the habit of knowingly putting 45s out without permission.. in all honesty i take what the `stars` say with a massive pinch of salt as they are only human and one human frailty is to let theirs mouths run away with them... especially when they have an audience usually in awe of them.. the only boots that are worth campaigning about are the ones actually done for the soul scene in the uk and original USA material put out in the 60s/70s or 80s is just best left alone for the good of the scene and everything connected with it

Don did have memory of Cheatin Kind ad he told us when we went for dinner he sent  a tape  down to Vanleer and that he never heard back. But you are right the industry, especially back then was full of unscrupulous people, companies and crooks. 
 

Knowing Popcorn, if he though some wrong was done he’d have gone after them?

I  would imagine Vocallion did a deal in good faith and Vault had the rights to license.  Unless we see the contract it is all speculation. 

Edited March 29, 20214 yr by Chalky

59 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Don did have memory of Cheatin Kind ad he told us when we went for dinner he sent  a tape  down to Vanleer and that he never heard back. But you are right the industry, especially back then was full of unscrupulous people, companies and crooks. 
 

Knowing Popcorn, if he though some wrong was done he’d have gone after them?

I  would imagine Vocallion did a deal in good faith and Vault had the rights to license.  Unless we see the contract it is all speculation. 

ye i could be crossed wires with don gardner.. think rob said it was issued without his consent for sure

1 hour ago, Wheelsville1 said:

I still stand my ground,i think that vault did the deal with decca through the back door hence by the time it was pressed on vocalion there is no mention of ala king at all. I am not saying that decca were dodgy but i definatly think vault were.

it may well be true chris. corruption was rife within the industry back then and probably still is. but sadly its just talk with no paperwork to clarify one way or the other

18 minutes ago, Dave Pinch said:

ye i could be crossed wires with don gardner.. think rob said it was issued without his consent for sure

Well he certainly didn’t know of a 45 and the first time he ever saw one was Andy Dyson’s at Prestatyn. 

23 minutes ago, Dave Pinch said:

it may well be true chris. corruption was rife within the industry back then and probably still is. but sadly its just talk with no paperwork to clarify one way or the other

Yes Dave i totaly agree with you. 

33 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Well he certainly didn’t know of a 45 and the first time he ever saw one was Andy Dyson’s at Prestatyn. 

James claimed a production credit, wonder who did produce it then ?