Posted February 18, 200520 yr Have just looked at the Grapevine 2000 list of 7" releases. I was surprised at how many of these have been deleted (and one withdrawn) - many of them are top-drawer records (on US originals). DELETED G2K 45-136 THE SERVICEMEN I'll Stop Loving You Sweet Magic DELETED G2K 45-135 CYNTHIA SHEELER NORMA JEAN I'll Cry Over You I've Taken Over DELETED G2K 45-134 THE CHESTERFIELDS THE M.R.S. BAND Think It Over Why Did You Leave Me Baby DELETED G2K 45-133 MATT BROWN Everyday (I Love You Just A Little Bit More) Baby I'm A Want You WITHDRAWN G2K 45-132 PERCY STONE & THE EXPLOSIONS Chained DELETED G2K 45-131 RON HENDERSON & CHOICE OF COLOUR Gemini Lady Goodbye My Love DELETED G2K 45-130 THE MAGNETICS When I'm With My Baby Count The Days DELETED G2K 45-129 L.V. JOHNSON Trying To Hold On I Love You, I Want You, I Need You DELETED G2K 45-128 WILLIE TEE I'm Having So Much Fun First Taste Of Hurt DELETED G2K 45-127 C.P. LOVE Trick Bag Plenty Of Room For More DELETED G2K 45-126 EDDIE BILLUPS Ask My Heart A Soldier's Prayer DELETED G2K 45-125 THE CARBON COPIES Just Don't Love You Baby I'm Coming Home DELETED G2K 45-124 MELVIN BROWN & JAMES MATTHEWS Love Stormy Weather Soul Man DELETED G2K 45-123 THE JONES BROTHERS featuring Joe Jones Good Old Days Lucky Lady DELETED G2K 45-122 THE FOUR DYNAMICS Things That A Lady Ain't Supposed To Do That's What Girls Are Made For DELETED G2K 45-121 THE SPRINGERS Nothing's Too Good For My Baby I Can't Believe DELETED G2K 45-120 DON GARDNER Cheatin' Kind Is This Really Love DELETED G2K 45-119 THE MAGNETICS I'll Keep Holding On / Jackie Baby (Can You Do It) DELETED G2K 45-118 SWISS MOVEMENT I Wish Our Love Would Last Forever One In A Million DELETED G2K 45-117 BILL CODAY SANDRA WRIGHT A Man Can't Be A Man (Without A Woman) DELETED G2K 45-116 THE SERVICEMEN Are You Angry I Need A Helping Hand DELETED G2K 45-115 ARCHIE HODGE I Really Want To See You Girl If I Didn't Need You Woman DELETED G2K 45-114 THE MONTCLAIRS Hey You! Don't Fight It! Never Ending Love DELETED G2K 45-113 SEX It's You (Baby It's You) It's You (Baby It's You) (Extended Version) DELETED G2K 45-112 NATHAN WILLIAMS What Price Reaching Higher DELETED G2K 45-111 FORTSON & SCOTT ROBBY FORTSON Sweet Lover Are You For Real DELETED G2K 45-110 ERNEST BAKER Alone Again Do It With The Feeling DELETED G2K 45-109 GEORGE HOBSON Let It Be Real A Place In My Heart DELETED G2K 45-108 LITTLE HANK Try To Understand Mr. Bang Bang Man DELETED G2K 45-107 MATT BROWN Thank You Baby Sweet Thing DELETED G2K 45-106 TAVASCO Love Is Trying To Get A Hold On Me (Radio Edit) Love Is Trying To Get A Hold On Me DELETED G2K 45-105 TRUE IMAGE I'm Not Over You I'm Not Over You (Extended Version) DELETED G2K 45-104 THE MAGNETICS That Look On Your Face You Were Made For Love DELETED G2K 45-103 BOBBY WAYNE Long Hard Road Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) DELETED G2K 45-102 CHOICE OF COLOUR Your Love Love Is Gone DELETED G2K 45-101 ELECTRIC EXPRESS Hearsay Hearsay (Instrumental) I wonder what sort of value these are going to have in future years? Brian
February 22, 200520 yr Jamie, He did state they were reissues and (its hard to judge in text) apeared to belittle anyone who played then in his "hot shot dj" comments. anyway its done so dont drag it any further and hey keep the wankerman comments to yourself link No offence intended, just tried to make light. Like you said, it's done and dusted. Jamie
February 22, 200520 yr What Dull?? link It wasn't the best was it. Still, i'd have taken a draw before the game. That clown who threatened savage got sent down. Could have at least belted him. They always bottle it!
February 22, 200520 yr No offence intended, just tried to make light. Like you said, it's done and dusted. Jamie link Jamie, thats the fun of this site always people getting worked up by the end its been a good laugh. what dates your do on in leeds? me and billytheboot are threatening to get over Im a great fan of John parkers music
February 22, 200520 yr Why, do they sound different??? link Unfortunately they do. Grapevine along with basically everyone else digitizes the music before putting it back on vinyl. It's not about when it was issued or re-issued it's about whether it's still analogue or not, which none of it is except one I'm aware of that came out a few months ago. I'm sure there's plenty of master tapes in great or bakeable condition that could be used to put out new records worthy of all the originals, and would ultimately command the same high prices even in the near future unlike any of the grapevine material. Music died when it went digital
February 22, 200520 yr Unfortunately they do. Grapevine along with basically everyone else digitizes the music before putting it back on vinyl. It's not about when it was issued or re-issued it's about whether it's still analogue or not, which none of it is except one I'm aware of that came out a few months ago. I'm sure there's plenty of master tapes in great or bakeable condition that could be used to put out new records worthy of all the originals, and would ultimately command the same high prices even in the near future unlike any of the grapevine material. Music died when it went digital link Good point actually - you only have to listen to the Uk releases of Chapter Five, The Capitals and Gerri Hall - they all sound very compressed and dull
February 22, 200520 yr Good point actually - you only have to listen to the Uk releases of Chapter Five, The Capitals and Gerri Hall - they all sound very compressed and dull link I never buy new records purposely but I do know how crap they sound. Ovenchips people told me the wade flemons Jeanette was a 70's reissue so I picked it quickfast for a tenner. When it came obviously brand new I decided to give it a listen anyways. Surprised how murky it sounded, most digital transfers are good at 'cleaning' up.
February 22, 200520 yr Oh yes please!!!! link can i come out from under the bed now..has he calmed down . christian i know its youre choice but you missing out on some great venues and top music by wearing those blinkers. would be interested in the clubs you attend in the uk that have never placed a boot or reissue.
February 22, 200520 yr Jamie, thats the fun of this site always people getting worked up by the end its been a good laugh. what dates your do on in leeds? me and billytheboot are threatening to get over Im a great fan of John parkers music link I'll PM you Geordie
February 22, 200520 yr Some people have a different views on the matter, and we should respect views without getting to the level of profanity. Jamie link Agree there jamie, I know the thread as moved away from it's original point, however, There are some venues when only original vinyl will be accepted, there are some venues, especially mainstream Northern Oldies nights when to be honest most punters on the door who pay to get in couldn't give a toss what format the track was played in, Original, re-issue, god forbid even C.D. Thinx we all need to be a little broad minded, after all it is the 21st century. JM
February 22, 200520 yr Gotta say that when people start getting over excited and then use abuse to force a point home i feel the initial "brawl" is already lost.......... Brian Ellis originally asked a very valid question and one that a few of us tried to answer with complete honesty. What gets me, is when someone cannot argue their point with any dexterity, then the post gets entrenched in mindless in fighting, starting to seem like a total waste of time even getting involved in a reasonable topic..............
February 22, 200520 yr Gotta say that when people start getting over excited and then use abuse to force a point home i feel the initial "brawl" is already lost.......... Brian Ellis originally asked a very valid question and one that a few of us tried to answer with complete honesty. What gets me, is when someone cannot argue their point with any dexterity, then the post gets entrenched in mindless in fighting, starting to seem like a total waste of time even getting involved in a reasonable topic.............. link Shuddup you big puff.
February 22, 200520 yr Shuddup you big puff. link Jamie you know me...never been in a fight in my life.........
February 22, 200520 yr Gotta say that when people start getting over excited and then use abuse to force a point home i feel the initial "brawl" is already lost.......... Brian Ellis originally asked a very valid question and one that a few of us tried to answer with complete honesty. What gets me, is when someone cannot argue their point with any dexterity, then the post gets entrenched in mindless in fighting, starting to seem like a total waste of time even getting involved in a reasonable topic.............. link If you believe your opinion is the right one then why shouldn't you be allowed to fight your corner without some do gooder saying 'break it up children'...
February 22, 200520 yr Heh heh! Great thread this, missed a bloody good row. Isn't the problem with Grapevine releases that just about anyone can get them. So if you rely on booking DJs who play them you stand a good chance of having loads of DJs up and down the country who just play the same records all the time. Which would be rather dull. Perhaps DJs who wouldn't have a new record to play until the next Grapevine release came out. There is clearly scope for clubs where people do that, none of my business as I don't bother with them if that is what I think that they're going to play. However, it'd be equally dull if all the DJs have the same thirty mega rare sounds that they play all the time. In fact, you couldn't have an allnighter could you. An Hourer would be about it, six DJs, five records each, I guess.
February 22, 200520 yr Heh heh! Great thread this, missed a bloody good row. Isn't the problem with Grapevine releases that just about anyone can get them. So if you rely on booking DJs who play them you stand a good chance of having loads of DJs up and down the country who just play the same records all the time. Which would be rather dull. Perhaps DJs who wouldn't have a new record to play until the next Grapevine release came out. There is clearly scope for clubs where people do that, none of my business as I don't bother with them if that is what I think that they're going to play. However, it'd be equally dull if all the DJs have the same thirty mega rare sounds that they play all the time. In fact, you couldn't have an allnighter could you. An Hourer would be about it, six DJs, five records each, I guess. link I'd actually be interested to know if anyone has ALL of the grapevine issues (aside from the unissued stuff of course) on original vinyl - I doubt if there is such a person, and they'd have one hell of a collection if they did!!!
February 22, 200520 yr can i come out from under the bed now..has he calmed down . christian i know its youre choice but you missing out on some great venues and top music by wearing those blinkers. would be interested in the clubs you attend in the uk that have never placed a boot or reissue. link Name me 10 great clubs or 10 great DJs who have built their reputation on playing boots or reissues ? Christian is not being blinkered - he simply knows the score mate. Hammy
February 22, 200520 yr If you believe your opinion is the right one then why shouldn't you be allowed to fight your corner without some do gooder saying 'break it up children'... link Pete your spot on, just don't feel it is neccessary to drop to the level of abuse, surely an individual can get his/her point over without resorting to that. Their are guidelines on the site that do not advocate this sort of thing. I swear, shout and fight like anyone else, but after all this is a Soul related Forum, not the lowfield stand at Elland Road.
February 22, 200520 yr I admire Christian's passion - I don't even get that worked up about chocolate He follows his creed it what he buys, what he plays, the DJ's he books - and why shouldn't he? Nothing wrong with aspiring to soul purity.
February 22, 200520 yr Name me 10 great clubs or 10 great DJs who have built their reputation on playing boots or reissues ? Christian is not being blinkered - he simply knows the score mate. Hammy link Ian Levine Richard Searling John Vincent Alan Rhodes Pep Russ Winstanley in fact anyone who was around in the 70's played "emidiscs", all of them did without exception
February 22, 200520 yr Bloody hell it's like Groundhog Day on ere sometimes....how many times has this subject been discussed....do you play reissues, don't you? I think it's just an excuse for the boys to have a good old virtual scrap Even better when you live in another country and you can be even more daring with the insults!!
February 22, 200520 yr In this context where might Percy Stone and the Explosions - Chained stand in the future? It has been withdrawn by Grapevine with very few copies reaching the market place; potentially the British release could now be even rarer than the US release on Ram. Brian link I think you'd be surprised how many did get out, especially demos of this Won't be as rare as you imagine
February 22, 200520 yr Something else ...really like your avatar of "the prince" Pete. I've personally met him several times and he's such a great man in real life. He lives in Miami these days I believe. I have a signed Blue Beat copy of "Dance cleopatra" on my wall
February 22, 200520 yr Something else ...really like your avatar of "the prince" Pete. I've personally met him several times and he's such a great man in real life. He lives in Miami these days I believe. I have a signed Blue Beat copy of "Dance cleopatra" on my wall link Bloody hell! Nice one. Jealous
February 22, 200520 yr Even better when you live in another country and you can be even more daring with the insults!! ...yep... Well I'm coming to Yarmouth this year, so anyone who wishes to settle a score with me - please do come an introduce yourselves Nah, just kidding... let's all be friends now and agree that reissues suck Keep it real or shut the f**k up
February 22, 200520 yr ...yep... Well I'm coming to Yarmouth this year, so anyone who wishes to settle a score with me - please do come an introduce yourselves Nah, just kidding... let's all be friends now and agree that reissues suck Keep it real or shut the f**k up link I'll be there
February 22, 200520 yr Name me 10 great clubs or 10 great DJs who have built their reputation on playing boots or reissues ? Christian is not being blinkered - he simply knows the score mate. Hammy link i asked a simple question in reply to cristians post which was " I would only ever attend a serious allnighter/soul night that didnt play reissues". were talking venues here mate not dj,s . he recons he only attends those venues that NEVER play boot/reissues. im interested to know what these clubs are. maybe you can tell us as youre on his wavelenght. theres hundreds of soul clubs out there so what we talking.5% ,50% of all clubs. sorry cant answer youre qustion as i couldnt name 10dj,s. father christmas could be behind the decks for all i care. as long as i like the music ill be on the dancefloor enjoying meself,,,not looking over santas shoulder to see if hes playing first issue originals.
February 22, 200520 yr ...yep... Well I'm coming to Yarmouth this year, so anyone who wishes to settle a score with me - please do come an introduce yourselves Nah, just kidding... let's all be friends now and agree that reissues suck Keep it real or shut the f**k up link Look forward to meeting you Christian - I assume you have been before? Judging by your playlists you'll enjoy it....
February 22, 200520 yr I've always enjoyed seeing scores settled with a good old fashioned "Cutlass" one borne of "Whipped Steel" with a "Boned" handle. Ask the other Pete Smith(lagerlout) about this as a weapon of choice in savage street battles
February 22, 200520 yr Look forward to meeting you Christian - I assume you have been before? Judging by your playlists you'll enjoy it.... link You guys are on the same line up in December
February 22, 200520 yr I've always enjoyed seeing scores settled with a good old fashioned "Cutlass" one borne of "Whipped Steel" with a "Boned" handle. Ask the other Pete Smith(lagerlout) about this as a weapon of choice in savage street battles link I prefer a game of bar football
February 22, 200520 yr ...yep... Well I'm coming to Yarmouth this year, so anyone who wishes to settle a score with me - please do come an introduce yourselves Nah, just kidding... let's all be friends now and agree that reissues suck Keep it real or shut the f**k up link Shall see you there mate, was hoping you'd make it over last weekend. Maybe next Lifeline?
February 22, 200520 yr Look forward to meeting you Christian - I assume you have been before? Judging by your playlists you'll enjoy it.... link Nope, it's actually my first time. I've been thinking about coming over there for ages. But as the sad f**ker I am - I spent all my money on ORIGINAL vinyl instead Let's just hope that the DJ's there stick to their originals. At least I'm sure that Andy Dyson won't let me down in the "deep room" Cheers, Christian PS! Hope you're not as scary-looking as that "local shop for local people" avatar-lady of yours Edited February 22, 200520 yr by cC B
February 22, 200520 yr ...yep... Well I'm coming to Yarmouth this year, so anyone who wishes to settle a score with me - please do come an introduce yourselves Nah, just kidding... let's all be friends now and agree that reissues suck Keep it real or shut the f**k up link Not a fan of reissues myself , but there is no need to be abusive - Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Lets drag this forum from the gutter ! All clasp hands together on the count of three ................ It is a forum afterall so the shut the f#ck up line of arguement cannot hold little if any weight
February 22, 200520 yr Oh my God I've not been around the forum this afternoon - went for a game of golf; 4 hours later World War 3 has erupted in Soul Cyberspace. I never intended my quite innocent initial question to raise any hackles - just thought it a valid topic for a bit of sensible debate. And I thought that now aggravated anonymous posts were banned from Soul Source the level of controversy amongst like-minded people would fall away. If I'd set out to cause forum havoc - I don't think I could have done it better if I'd tried. Hope everyone can calm down. Now what do you think about playing Grapevine CDs at nighters -aaaaargh - only joking! Brian
February 22, 200520 yr It is a forum afterall so the shut the f#ck up line of arguement cannot hold little if any weight Relax, I was just joking, matey If you read all the post on here you will notice that it wasn't me who started to get abusive on here - all I said was IMO - each to their own. No need for anyone to feel offended. After all I'm just a 29 year old kid from Oslo So who cares what I say or mean??
February 22, 200520 yr ...yep... Well I'm coming to Yarmouth this year, so anyone who wishes to settle a score with me - please do come an introduce yourselves Nah, just kidding... let's all be friends now and agree that reissues suck Keep it real or shut the f**k up link At least two of the DJs have played Grapevine 45s at Yarmouth Christian .I will introduce myself to you and then point them out Adam
February 22, 200520 yr Shall see you there mate, was hoping you'd make it over last weekend. Maybe next Lifeline? link Will really try to make it to Lifeline the next time. What date is the next one? Now, this is my kind of venue - quality & fresh 60s and 70s soul all played on original vinyl or studio acetates. And what a line up! Dyson, Butch, Soul Sam, Mick H etc.etc. Why settle for second best over there, when you have allnighters like this in the UK
February 22, 200520 yr Will really try to make it to Lifeline the next time. What date is the next one? Now, this is my kind of venue - quality & fresh 60s and 70s soul all played on original vinyl or studio acetates. And what a line up! Dyson, Butch, Soul Sam, Mick H etc.etc. Why settle for second best over there, when you have allnighters like this in the UK link 16th April Christian. Offer still stands as well
February 22, 200520 yr At least two of the DJs have played Grapevine 45s at Yarmouth Christian .I will introduce myself to you and then point them out Adam link Adam, are you able to name these DJ's, or can you just point them out?
February 22, 200520 yr Nope, it's actually my first time. I've been thinking about coming over there for ages. But as the sad f**ker I am - I spent all my money on ORIGINAL vinyl instead Let's just hope that the DJ's there stick to their originals. At least I'm sure that Andy Dyson won't let me down in the "deep room" Cheers, Christian PS! Hope you're not as scary-looking as that "local shop for local people" avatar-lady of yours link You won't be let down at all by some of the "Yarmouth specials" Christian. Now if you excuse us "We've got a shop to run"....
February 22, 200520 yr At least two of the DJs have played Grapevine 45s at Yarmouth Christian .I will introduce myself to you and then point them out Adam link well thats buggered that weekend for you christian. will you not now attend as yarmouth aint the real deal or is it just niters/soul nites you wont go to that play grapevine 45,s. would be hypocritical of you to go after what you wrote.
February 22, 200520 yr Ian Levine Richard Searling John Vincent Alan Rhodes Pep Russ Winstanley in fact anyone who was around in the 70's played "emidiscs", all of them did without exception link Probably why the 80s will always be the golden era.... Hennigan, Darge, Colin Law, Butch, Kitch, Dean Anderson etc etc ... Hammy
February 22, 200520 yr Adam, are you able to name these DJ's, or can you just point them out? link Oh No Steve I will be taking my pointy staff to do the deed .Although Thinking about it they may have been promos.Sandra Wright "Man cant be a Man" was deffo played and I might add sounded great and Dottie Cambridge:thumbsup: . Mind you looking forward to drooling over your Sy Hightower whilst its spinnin. ps turn Euro sport on and have a butchers at the 7ft2 russian boxer!
February 22, 200520 yr Oh No Steve I will be taking my pointy staff to do the deed .Although Thinking about it they may have been promos.Sandra Wright "Man cant be a Man" was deffo played and I might add sounded great and Dottie Cambridge:thumbsup: . Mind you looking forward to drooling over your Sy Hightower whilst its spinnin. ps turn Euro sport on and have a butchers at the 7ft2 russian boxer! link Dottie Pearson? Now I think at least four of us played that on promo.... Sy Hightower - already in the bag
February 22, 200520 yr Dottie Pearson? Now I think at least four of us played that on promo.... Of course Pearson Sam Dees also in the bag?. I was at Mike Charlton and Jennys wedding on Sat and talking to Gary Pelly who was saying that its a total sellout amazing 12th year of consistant quality.
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Have just looked at the Grapevine 2000 list of 7" releases.
I was surprised at how many of these have been deleted (and one withdrawn) - many of them are top-drawer records (on US originals).
DELETED G2K 45-136 THE SERVICEMEN I'll Stop Loving You
Sweet Magic
DELETED G2K 45-135 CYNTHIA SHEELER
NORMA JEAN I'll Cry Over You
I've Taken Over
DELETED G2K 45-134 THE CHESTERFIELDS
THE M.R.S. BAND Think It Over
Why Did You Leave Me Baby
DELETED G2K 45-133 MATT BROWN Everyday (I Love You Just A Little Bit More)
Baby I'm A Want You
WITHDRAWN G2K 45-132 PERCY STONE & THE EXPLOSIONS Chained
DELETED G2K 45-131 RON HENDERSON & CHOICE OF COLOUR Gemini Lady
Goodbye My Love
DELETED G2K 45-130 THE MAGNETICS When I'm With My Baby
Count The Days
DELETED G2K 45-129 L.V. JOHNSON Trying To Hold On
I Love You, I Want You, I Need You
DELETED G2K 45-128 WILLIE TEE I'm Having So Much Fun
First Taste Of Hurt
DELETED G2K 45-127 C.P. LOVE Trick Bag
Plenty Of Room For More
DELETED G2K 45-126 EDDIE BILLUPS Ask My Heart
A Soldier's Prayer
DELETED G2K 45-125 THE CARBON COPIES Just Don't Love You
Baby I'm Coming Home
DELETED G2K 45-124 MELVIN BROWN & JAMES MATTHEWS Love Stormy Weather
Soul Man
DELETED G2K 45-123 THE JONES BROTHERS featuring Joe Jones Good Old Days
Lucky Lady
DELETED G2K 45-122 THE FOUR DYNAMICS Things That A Lady Ain't Supposed To Do
That's What Girls Are Made For
DELETED G2K 45-121 THE SPRINGERS Nothing's Too Good For My Baby
I Can't Believe
DELETED G2K 45-120 DON GARDNER Cheatin' Kind
Is This Really Love
DELETED G2K 45-119 THE MAGNETICS I'll Keep Holding On / Jackie Baby (Can You Do It)
DELETED G2K 45-118 SWISS MOVEMENT I Wish Our Love Would Last Forever
One In A Million
DELETED G2K 45-117 BILL CODAY
SANDRA WRIGHT A Man Can't Be A Man (Without A Woman)
DELETED G2K 45-116 THE SERVICEMEN Are You Angry
I Need A Helping Hand
DELETED G2K 45-115 ARCHIE HODGE I Really Want To See You Girl
If I Didn't Need You Woman
DELETED G2K 45-114 THE MONTCLAIRS Hey You! Don't Fight It!
Never Ending Love
DELETED G2K 45-113 SEX It's You (Baby It's You)
It's You (Baby It's You) (Extended Version)
DELETED G2K 45-112 NATHAN WILLIAMS What Price
Reaching Higher
DELETED G2K 45-111 FORTSON & SCOTT
ROBBY FORTSON Sweet Lover
Are You For Real
DELETED G2K 45-110 ERNEST BAKER Alone Again
Do It With The Feeling
DELETED G2K 45-109 GEORGE HOBSON Let It Be Real
A Place In My Heart
DELETED G2K 45-108 LITTLE HANK Try To Understand
Mr. Bang Bang Man
DELETED G2K 45-107 MATT BROWN Thank You Baby
Sweet Thing
DELETED G2K 45-106 TAVASCO Love Is Trying To Get A Hold On Me (Radio Edit)
Love Is Trying To Get A Hold On Me
DELETED G2K 45-105 TRUE IMAGE I'm Not Over You
I'm Not Over You (Extended Version)
DELETED G2K 45-104 THE MAGNETICS That Look On Your Face
You Were Made For Love
DELETED G2K 45-103 BOBBY WAYNE Long Hard Road
Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)
DELETED G2K 45-102 CHOICE OF COLOUR Your Love
Love Is Gone
DELETED G2K 45-101 ELECTRIC EXPRESS Hearsay
Hearsay (Instrumental)
I wonder what sort of value these are going to have in future years?
Brian