Was involved in the kings go forth thread in a look at your box section, and had a few replies concerning this comment, just wondered what your views were on this, as i find the scene as healthy as ever? and wich part of the history of the soul scene is this compared to? just a question for your opinions

Nutshell Stevie chum, nutshell.

Of course the scene can never be as vibrant, exciting, huge as it was, Back in the day the scene was young and so were we! Oh what thrills the week-end held! Oh what records still to be heard! But.... It is still here and so are we, so whatever the state of play at the moment, make the most of it! Hindsight is a beautiful and deceiving thing. If we had known back then what we know now, we'd all have made more of it, gone to the Casino more, gone to Stafford more, not sold records cheap that are now worth hundreds, bought records cheap that are now worth thousands! Point is we can't, it's done, but the future is but a second away! Make the most of now, instead of chasing lost memories, and impossible dreams.Make the most of now, squeeze every last drop of pleasure from it you can, for you, never mind the rest. Make the most of now, good, or bad, oldies or newies, nighters, soul-nights, mini-niters, weekenders, whatever and whenever, 'cos when its gone, its gone!

Thats exactly it..........times move on the scene changes........of course the music is still great, just maybe less appreciated in today's context, and who can blame todays youth for looking to something diffrent.........isn't that what we did with the nothern scene?? Loads of old music is still great, the music doesn't change, just the amount of people who appreciate it at any given time changes.

Rob

Edited May 30, 200816 yr by El Corol

Nutshell Stevie chum, nutshell.

Of course the scene can never be as vibrant, exciting, huge as it was, Back in the day the scene was young and so were we! Oh what thrills the week-end held! Oh what records still to be heard! But.... It is still here and so are we, so whatever the state of play at the moment, make the most of it! Hindsight is a beautiful and deceiving thing. If we had known back then what we know now, we'd all have made more of it, gone to the Casino more, gone to Stafford more, not sold records cheap that are now worth hundreds, bought records cheap that are now worth thousands! Point is we can't, it's done, but the future is but a second away! Make the most of now, instead of chasing lost memories, and impossible dreams.Make the most of now, squeeze every last drop of pleasure from it you can, for you, never mind the rest. Make the most of now, good, or bad, oldies or newies, nighters, soul-nights, mini-niters, weekenders, whatever and whenever, 'cos when its gone, its gone! I can't remember who said it but "There is no guarantee you will live longer than the next second" And you're a long time dead!

So very, very true......

regards

Paul

A few quotes from folk on here are really looking up the back passage and i smell bullshit...

Who is anyone to say what the scene should be.. We have so many different takes on it all..

Just do what you wanna do and don't listen to the preachers of faith toooooooooo much... Like the church we have many different takes on what the gospel is all about.. Just gather around your flock and have ball...

go out to niters every week and don't sleep till Tuesday

Go local and in bed by 2am.. Fresh as daisy for walks in the park with the kids..

dance to fast uptempo northern

dance to mid tempo beat ballads that pull at the heart strings

chin stroke in the record room

talk shite outside all night with the fag brigade

sit on your own in a little dream world and just listen to the music

And always do what you wanna do and not what others think you should do..

Best reply on the thread Stevie. Well said mate.

I'd just like to add that its now 2008 a very different world to the "good old days"

most of us travel to do's by car no longer B/Rail or a long bus journey

I choose not to wear "the northern soul uniform" any more.. some do (their choice)

Wigan is no more ....I understand the phenomenon but NEVER visited..a shame really would have liked to visit.

Things enevitably do move on wether any of us like it or not

I bought a record I thought was a bargain on Ebay to find that its a bootleg( I assume that didnt happen in the 1970s)...maybe it still is a bargain because I got the same sound in those little grooves as some DJ who paid megabucks for theirs! they pay megabucks for their copy because its an original

I bought mine because I like the tune (and its a relatively new sound to me even tho its an oldie)

Thats life!

Mand

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY..... WHEN I'M ON THE DANCEFLOOR COULD'NT GIVE A TOSS THAT A BRILLIANT TUNE HAS THE RIGHT COULERED LABEL!!!!!! AT THE END OF THE DAY LET DJ'S AND COLLECTORS DO THEIR THING LET THE REST OF US DO OURS... AND DANCE DANCE DANCE.. THATS NORTHERN SOUL IMHO.

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY..... WHEN I'M ON THE DANCEFLOOR COULD'NT GIVE A TOSS THAT A BRILLIANT TUNE HAS THE RIGHT COULERED LABEL!!!!!! AT THE END OF THE DAY LET DJ'S AND COLLECTORS DO THEIR THING LET THE REST OF US DO OURS... AND DANCE DANCE DANCE.. THATS NORTHERN SOUL IMHO.

And I have to add that the Irish Soulies, both North and South are collectively the best gang of people who just go out to have a good time that I've come across in a long time.

A few quotes from folk on here are really looking up the back passage and i smell bullshit...

Who is anyone to say what the scene should be.. We have so many different takes on it all..

Just do what you wanna do and don't listen to the preachers of faith toooooooooo much... Like the church we have many different takes on what the gospel is all about.. Just gather around your flock and have ball...

go out to niters every week and don't sleep till Tuesday

Go local and in bed by 2am.. Fresh as daisy for walks in the park with the kids..

dance to fast uptempo northern

dance to mid tempo beat ballads that pull at the heart strings

chin stroke in the record room

talk shite outside all night with the fag brigade

sit on your own in a little dream world and just listen to the music

And always do what you wanna do and not what others think you should do..

STEVE WISH I'D THOUGHT OF THAT YOURE 100% RIGHT MATE TICKS ALL THE BOXES.

SEE YA END OF JUNE MATE

Are you serious about not putting anymore soul and ska do's on? That's a real shame your do was good; it was fun and played good quality music. Ska and soul should be played together in my opinion and the scooterists love it. I wish everyone would lighten up and as others have stated, go to do's where you like the music. I actually like this scene 'cause it's underground don't ruin it by making it popular, on mass and diluted.Only an opinion

It's all retrospective to me, would I have gone to Wigan in the day not sure? But I'm sick of everything being compared to that time or the 'good old days'. Keep looking forward Disclaimer: No offence meant to anyone

No I was just (trying to) make a point ! I collect vintage 45s because I love the great old quality tunes !!

I could not give a shit about "Northern Soul Scene Politics" Thats their business !

Thanks for your nice comments ! We will continue to do our events in our local town ! (later in the year due to the bad Scooter crash)

xxx Mossy

Edited May 31, 200816 yr by mossy

And I have to add that the Irish Soulies, both North and South are collectively the best gang of people who just go out to have a good time that I've come across in a long time.

THANK YOU MR RIMMER ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU DAVE. IT'S ALL ABOUT ENJOYMENT WHATS THE POINT IN DWELLING ON ALL THIS DOOM AND GLOOM WE'RE A LONG TIME DEAD.

NOTHING BETTER THAN A FULL DANCE FLOOR AND GREAT TUNES AND OF COURSE A FEW BEVVYS

So very, very true......

regards

Paul

I do have my moments.....

There have been some very long, and passionate post on this thread, from both sides of the fence. How things should be, what is wrong, what is right, what needs changing. What they are really saying is "I want to re-shape the scene in my own image, to suit me, the way I want it". Or perhaps from geniune altruistic motives, "This is what I think would be best for everyone, this is how I would improve it for all" Fact It was never perfect, never how we wanted it. I moaned about the queues at Wigan, playing pop stompers, piss on the bog floor, divvies atracting the squad, a hundred and one things, but when you were there, things never felt so right. The scene morphs and changes without control, without one persons influence, like it has a life of its own. If you don't like a certain do, find one you do like. If there are none, start your own. I like a good argument as well as the next man, but on this subject I really feel it is not worth arguing about. It takes all sorts to make a world, and all sorts to make a scene. Do what you do, for you, and leave what others do to them. There's still room for all!

(Trevski-The immaculatly-trousered Philanthropist! )

Edited May 31, 200816 yr by Trevski

A few quotes from folk on here are really looking up the back passage and i smell bullshit...

Who is anyone to say what the scene should be.. We have so many different takes on it all..

Just do what you wanna do and don't listen to the preachers of faith toooooooooo much... Like the church we have many different takes on what the gospel is all about.. Just gather around your flock and have ball...

go out to niters every week and don't sleep till Tuesday

Go local and in bed by 2am.. Fresh as daisy for walks in the park with the kids..

dance to fast uptempo northern

dance to mid tempo beat ballads that pull at the heart strings

chin stroke in the record room

talk shite outside all night with the fag brigade

sit on your own in a little dream world and just listen to the music

And always do what you wanna do and not what others think you should do..

Peace !

If anyone can add anything to Stevies post...............................on you go !

Edited May 31, 200816 yr by mossy

Peace !

If anyone can add anything to Stevies post...............................on you go !

Oh please... stop encouraging him!

Oh please... stop encouraging him!

I like him !

Oh please... stop encouraging him!

Nah! Let him loose! Martin-Luther-Mahatma-Cato preach on!

(With appologies to Doris Day...)

"When I was just a little soul-boy,

 I asked a Torch-lad "what should I be?,

 Should I DJ? should I collect?"

 Here's what he said to me,

 "Shut your gob, dick-head,

 and get these down your neck!"

Que ser¡, ser¡! Wise words!

Edited May 31, 200816 yr by Trevski

Nah! Let him loose! Martin-Luther-Mahatma-Cato preach on!

(With appologies to Doris Day...)

"When I was just a little soul-boy,

I asked a Torch-lad 'what should I be?,

Should I DJ? should I collect?,

Here's what he said to me,

"Shut your gob, dick-head,

and get these down your neck!"

Que ser¡, ser¡! Wise words!

IS RIGHT !!!!!!!

LOVE IS THE ONLY ANSWER !

Edited May 31, 200816 yr by mossy

Could be better if some of the poorer venues fell by the way side. Numbers healthy but these often spread over far too many venues.

The music could be better too with far too many venues stuck in backwards thinking oldies rut. There are venues who like to progress but some often at the expense of dancers, instread preferring lounge music, plodderrs and crossover no one can dance too.

Venues should embrace all eras IMHO, but they should favour the dancers and not the collectors.

well said l agree 100%

especially with you modern DJ's who seem to charge the earth (despite your music being substantially cheaper in many instances).

You can't be referring to me, you stopped booking me for Bury modern room years ago!!

Seriously though, what constitutes 'charging the earth'? Any DJ who demands a very high fee on this scene, depending on the gig of course, is bring pretty unrealistic I think. It might be different for some others, but personally I never ask a promoter for a certain amount, I'm generally happy with what I'm offered and on occasions when I've done a gig that's been poorly supported, I've refused payment and just taken petrol money on the insistence of the promoter. Personally, but probably plenty of others, the money's not the absolute priority so long as the expenses are covered - if you get a decent amount, great, if not, then unless you're mercenary in your attitude towards DJ'ing, it might be a little disappointing but won't be such a big deal as the majority do it as much for the enjoyment as for the money.

I bet you'd do a 3 hour spot if it was the right venue and still wouldnt complain!.

I did three hour set in the Hilton Weekender lounge in Birmingham one Sunday afternoon, and was still disappointed when I had to finish. There's just no pleasing some folks!!

Roger

Edited May 31, 200816 yr by Soulsorts

My conclusion on this thread is that there are some people trying to tell other people what to do on a night out because they know better.

My conclusion on this thread is that there are some people trying to tell other people what to do on a night out because they think they know better.

Forgot the word 'think' Maark

Steve had it right, live and let live.

Forgot the word 'think' Maark

Steve had it right, live and let live.

Doh! Thanks Tabs!

One is prone to making mistakes when one went out enjoying ones self the night before, even if I hadn't driven 200 miles waving my northern soul b*ll*cks out the car window.

Doh! Thanks Tabs!

One is prone to making mistakes when one went out enjoying ones self the night before, even if I hadn't driven 200 miles waving my northern soul b*ll*cks out the car window.

...nice one Mark...Delxxx

Doh! Thanks Tabs!

One is prone to making mistakes when one went out enjoying ones self the night before, even if I hadn't driven 200 miles waving my northern soul b*ll*cks out the car window.

Now thats an image I didn't want.

Have a look at post *61,said just about the same thing .

Liketo take up the point made around "soul nights and suiting personal circumstances".

Not everyone can get to niters anymore.

Family commitments,health issues,work are far more important to people than when we were 16-18,and chucking in a MONDAY morning at work was the norm cos we'd "overdone" it and didn't "land" til Sunday afternoon.

Those who don't have these commitments and can do as you please,think yourself lucky.

Soul nites are some peeps only chance to get out,without hassle.IMHO.

Kev

you Know I'm with you on this one!

Maybe Its because we a share some of the same commitments

I sometimes think promoters want to know why you havent been in the place for months Gary now is "on call" with the job so we havent been out this weekend at all

it means we miss some of the regular do's we go to

But as I said earlier we go where we can when we can and its our choice

you and I both know that the politics can spoil the only decent night out we get!

and we certainly don't need it

Mand

A few quotes from folk on here are really looking up the back passage and i smell bullshit...

Who is anyone to say what the scene should be.. We have so many different takes on it all..

Just do what you wanna do and don't listen to the preachers of faith toooooooooo much... Like the church we have many different takes on what the gospel is all about.. Just gather around your flock and have ball...

go out to niters every week and don't sleep till Tuesday

Go local and in bed by 2am.. Fresh as daisy for walks in the park with the kids..

dance to fast uptempo northern

dance to mid tempo beat ballads that pull at the heart strings

chin stroke in the record room

talk shite outside all night with the fag brigade

sit on your own in a little dream world and just listen to the music

And always do what you wanna do and not what others think you should do..

Amen Stevie Amen!!!

Mand

I do have my moments.....

There have been some very long, and passionate post on this thread, from both sides of the fence. How things should be, what is wrong, what is right, what needs changing. What they are really saying is "I want to re-shape the scene in my own image, to suit me, the way I want it". Or perhaps from geniune altruistic motives, "This is what I think would be best for everyone, this is how I would improve it for all" Fact It was never perfect, never how we wanted it. I moaned about the queues at Wigan, playing pop stompers, piss on the bog floor, divvies atracting the squad, a hundred and one things, but when you were there, things never felt so right. The scene morphs and changes without control, without one persons influence, like it has a life of its own. If you don't like a certain do, find one you do like. If there are none, start your own. I like a good argument as well as the next man, but on this subject I really feel it is not worth arguing about. It takes all sorts to make a world, and all sorts to make a scene. Do what you do, for you, and leave what others do to them. There's still room for all!

(Trevski-The immaculatly-trousered Philanthropist! )

Yeah. but all you DJ's .should play loads more R&B

Bazza

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY..... WHEN I'M ON THE DANCEFLOOR COULD'NT GIVE A TOSS THAT A BRILLIANT TUNE HAS THE RIGHT COULERED LABEL!!!!!! AT THE END OF THE DAY LET DJ'S AND COLLECTORS DO THEIR THING LET THE REST OF US DO OURS... AND DANCE DANCE DANCE.. THATS NORTHERN SOUL IMHO.

Thanks Kev

Must get over to a soul nite in Dublin /Ireland

I have visited the fair city once, the phrase once bitten forever smitten comes to mind

Didnt go out dancing sadly (was with the wrong crowd at the time)

The Irish know how to enjoy themselves and they know how to make folks feel welcome

Much respect Mand

Have a look at post *61,said just about the same thing .

Liketo take up the point made around "soul nights and suiting personal circumstances".

Not everyone can get to niters anymore.

Family commitments,health issues,work are far more important to people than when we were 16-18,and chucking in a MONDAY morning at work was the norm cos we'd "overdone" it and didn't "land" til Sunday afternoon.

Those who don't have these commitments and can do as you please,think yourself lucky.

Soul nites are some peeps only chance to get out,without hassle.IMHO.

Spot on KevH......

Heres my opinion of year 2008 Northern Soul scene .

Ive been on the Northern Soul scene for the past 4 decades not has much has some but "enough to voice an opinion", and its definately not on its arse!.We all Have a passion for the scene wether its crossover, 100% in your face monsters,R&B,or my passion underplayed 6ts.Luckily theres clubs out there catering for everyones needs,if you dont like that club that doesnt cater for your needs dont criticise,everyone connected to the Northern scene should know by now what that particular northern club delivers Enjoy we aint getting any younger .

Oh please... stop encouraging him!

...

Yes some good points on the thread.. Just get out there and do what you wanna do... Aint gonna change nothing banging the keys on here...

There is so much going on around the uk and overseas, get out and about and live it... We are so lucky to have all this still going on..

Always look on the brightside of life

peace peace and much much love Dave xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx