Agentsmith

YOU SHOULD TAKE "MOTOWN " AS A GENERAL TERM, IT COVERS ALL ITS MAIN & SUBSIDIARY LABELS AND THEIR OUTPUT...NICK & THE JAGUARS, AS EXPLAINED, IS THE CORRECT ANSWER AND OTHERS SUCH AS THE VALADIERS, DEBBIE DEAN FOLLOWED SOON AFTER...BY THE TIME R.DEAN TAYLOR TURNED UP "WHITE" WAS A MUCH USED Expression....KIKI DEE CAME RIGHT AT THE END OF THE 60'S/TURN OF THE 70'S...FIRST BRITISH ARTIST,...YES.

here, here!!, how good are they when he's " indisposed" jules? im completely astonished now, that this has gone into 5 pages, same as chalkx, infact, this tree has sprouted a number of branches that have entirely nothing to do with what the debate is about anyway...and anyway, hasn't everything been said that needs to be said?, its a rehash of a recurring arguement, just using someone else's name as an excuse....IF WE ALL KEEP THIS UP, THERE WONT BE ANY PUNTERS AT ANY EVENTS THIS WEEKEND!!!

for the propagandarists.....SHOULDN'T THIS TITLE BE: HAS COLIN CURTIS SOLD HIS...."SOUL".....COLLECTION? i think not

i decided against it pete, stick your head above the parapit so to speak, i know everybody hates me..... uncle ted keeps telling me to shut the barn door!!

i didnt cut him a carver, i burnt a cd of the track for him.

CAN I SAY i have enjoyed replying to and reading every post on here. ly surprised that so many of you genuinely enjoy my eulogising, ( or at least you seem to ). id probably be not far off the mark in thinking that a good many of you out there know colin in a personal sense, i guess ive known him on and off for 36/7 years and ive always found him approachable, philasophical and comepletely down-to-earth but straight to the point. he never forgets a face, his aptitude for that has never ceased to amaze me,...even if 10 years had passed, he'd say hello and have a carry-on conversation like he'd been talking to you in he street yesterday. he would DEFINITELY take whats been written here, with a pinch of salt

i'll second the last comment,...how else would richard get to play the isley brothers track?. he didnt even buy the dbl cd, i cut him a copy of said unissued stormer and if you were at lowton, you would have heard him play it,...TOTALLY LEGIT, I WOULD AGAIN EMPHASIZE,..it WONT see the light of day on a motown 7 because UNIVERSAL aren't the slightest bit interested, NO-ONE would dare bootleg it BECAUSE UNIVERSAL WOULD BE INTERESTED, and anyone who's used a carver is the only person/people who are plying it on the decks and of course thats illicit as well...oh, and nobody's going to start knocking him are they?, because he does fortunately have the alibi of a record collection to back him up, and a fine one it is too!

im flabbergasted, "get out of jail cards" are something to do with monopoly aren't they?...oh, but then, the reputation cometh before the man and even though he DOSN'T possess a record collection, his VERY essence is the definition of monopoly. his, is a name to conjure with and wether you like it or not, he HAS the capacity to weave magic on the dancefloor and he HAS AND STILL DOES monopolize many dancefloors. ive absolutley NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER, should he take up the challenge at a moments notice, he'd have a record collection to bamboozle and confound even the most ardent anoraks, such is his extensive network of dealers and contacts and, just to hammer home that point, we cant fail to notice that his sidekick, mr. levine is riding the range again with infinite obliviousness to all stick dishers!!

spot on, perfectly legitimate principle, but it can also be said about the recent speight of motown cds...i emailed richard about the "inevitability" of the isley brothers track from the universal anthology being released on vinyl....i can tell you this...NO CHANCE. i moved upon the cds release in 2010, to get a carver cut of the track in question based on the very same odds back then. of course, when it comes to kent, they have very sound principles of not denying the punter the chance ( eventually ) of owning these previously unissued nuggets on vinyl, once they've had a thorough test drive from the dj's that matter. UNLESS its booted, it aint gonna get a legit release....thats the marker. so no vinyl?, no carver?...whats the next option for a groundbreaking track that a groundswell absolutley love but cant play on anything other than a cd?....WHAT DO YOU DO?....CURSE YOUR LUCK?......BITE YOUR LIP?......YOU'RE A LONG TIME DEAD.......WHY WASTE THE OPPORTUNITY?....SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE........PLAY THE FOOKIN' CD!! off on a tangent?, of course i am!, what do you expect?...with regards to exactly WHAT this thread IS about, slagging colin off is bang out of order,...slagging colin off for what he plays and what he plays it on, REALLY IS inconsecquential. did you probably fail to notice, in your rush to mount this assault on his integrity if he was playing tunes of the highest order, regardless of them being oldies?, i most certainly wouldnt expect colin to play anything less than catagory A tunes of specific relevance to himself, mainly one's associated with himself, ONE'S THAT HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR INTRODUCING THE SCENE TO IN ITS EMBRYONIC DAYS, tune s that were responsible for us being on the scene IN THE FIRST PLACE. ...AND if he was playing them off cds because he no longer possesses a vinyl collection, does it really diminish his currency on the scene?...his calibre and credibility stands on its own, his name's virtually a brand, its what mecca stood for...just because its coming off a silver disc, it dosnt sound any worse and certainly not to colin. its not like he's regularly embroiled in the northern side of things anyway...that ship set sail a long time ago, but he's capable of keeping his arm in and his name alone will attract punters wherever he goes. we dont need to examine in finite detail where his niche is now...its been on that avenue for many years...he's always been at the forefront of marketing new product, ahead of his time, many would say and rightly so. NO MATTER how defamatory you get on here, the determination of people to rise above it will always prevail. colin dosnt even need to substantiate THAT!,...he is a yardstick by which many of us, the older generation, judge the music and the scene. COLIN IS COLIN and will always be his own man and do things his way...and he will STILL get a crowd on the floor...or is not the mantra: "its whats in the music that counts"? CDS OR NO CDS!

hang on to your hat, lad...no one's deriding you for being 14 and putting up a set that lacked this or that or wasnt expensive enough. the fact is somebody ( rugby promoters ) had the forward thinking bravado to give you the opportunity and bearing in mind the majority of praise you've recieved here, you'll get plenty more chances to express yourself...you DONT have to challenge people, ( though sometimes i do think its like banging your head against a brick wall), you've caused a stir and you will be taken notice of, its not just about inducing new blood to the dancefloor but about people like yourself, interpreting how far you've come and how much you've learned and getting behind the decks to entertain folks, especially several hundred, who are hanging on your every introduction, is daunting, full stop. you obviously took it in your stride, but you've got to allow commentary on here, to float over your head, wether good or indifferent..just look forward to your next adventure...you never know...kings - tower - lowton might come calling.

im not knocking it steve, ive got a copy and its in my top 3 of ALL-TIME...it might lack the "soul" element but for sheer spine tingling memories of 1978 and the casino dancefloor jumping & the unison handclapping....IT DONT GET MUCH BETTER!!.......just thought id stir up them cowpokes!

YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAA PARDNERS!!.......THE DANCEFLOORS ARE STILL HEAVING TO IT!!........THE SOUND OF WESTERN SOUL :lol:

i think he means FARON young pete,...he's a country bumpkin!!

here, here,....especially when it says: may 17 1966

you've seen a few of these now pete, and i think we cut a reasonable deal a while back with cash and trades. i never believed in all my days id get my hands on one, but thanks to you i did ( and it was dated stamped as well! )

well done johnno, fab tune and that dyson lad for championing it!!

im a bit late viewing this post so am completely shocked not only to discover that the barn door was open,but too late, the horse has bolted, so to speak. unless the council vetoes it, redevelopement is going ahead and aint nothing going to stop it.whilst i cant confess to having attended what i class as one of the "four legendary clubs", its still numbing to the system, trouble is, there dosnt appear to be too much time to come to terms with it let alone the grieving process. how can this be so?. last time it shut, it was immensly popular....once again, deja vu....700 people in the building and the word POPULARITY should be screaming in the faces of these greycell, deficient burocrats...it IS manchester's landmark club..do they really think that every human being who frequents this city wants a diet of digitized pop dross to live on?, that a haven for reliving the past dosnt have a place in the natural order of things?. of course its only one amongst a myriad of venues that supports our burgeoning scene, but in the grand scheme, its the foundation stone...where the roots really began. ive deliberated on here before about the fact, that to the masses, wigan casino was, for a short time, the be all and end all ( and the end very nearly was the death of northern soul ) but what have we got to show for that, for all of our worshipping and adoration?....one commercial orientated documentary that could never portray it in its real light ( because we didnt have the technology we have now ) and a brief sojourn for a few lucky dancers onto totp, which, alas, dosnt exist anymore. im fortunate enough to have witnessed the catacombs in wolverhampton....there are very few photographs in existance, taken at this venue...it was demolished in 74 and it took 36 years to get a plaque in recognition, though genuinely, it is moreso in memorium to the dj who was its beating heart, blue max. the golden torch closed the year before and va-va's roundabout the same era...exempting the casino, these were the four legendary clubs....3 became rubble and the fourth is facing imminent oblivion. perhaps with the technology we have at our disposal, filming the twisted wheel in a proper documentary format should now be of the utmost priority....REAL memories equate to seeing it for what it is/was...a plaque only symbolises where it stood, cold lifeless, unfeeling & metal. of course for the people who did live the wheel, their memories will never diminish....you can take away the bricks & mortar but you can never take away whats stored in your head, but to see it as well...in colour or monochrome, to relate to it and show future generatoins what it stood for and what it was all about...thats what really counts. funny how the germans used to be first on the beach...now it seems they're first on the block...perhaps someone should invite them to a soul night at the wheel to see what THEY would be missing.

does it really matter what it costs?, great voice, great tune and....great memories of the man at the ritz 2002,...the originals one & only appearance in the u.k.

here, here kev....need you say more?

do you know what?........actually this particular discussion accentuates the obvious difference between the virtual world of pop music today and the reality of soul music as we know it......THAT THE BRAIN-DEAD YOUTH OF TODAY ARE TOTALLY INCAPABLE OF WRITING A SONG WITH ANY TRUTHFUL, HEARTFELT MEANING, AND THE ONLY FORM OF MUSIC WITH REALISM AND SANITY IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO FOR 5 DECADES OR MORE AND WILL TIL WE HANG UP OUR BOOTS!.

ditto both comments here,...its a lump in the throat tune and o c's version really captures the essence "he married mama and took us in, now we belong to the man with that big wide grin" the passing reference to "the war" and how it had left the family bereft and then the happy ending, .....WOW! just a fantastic tune, great story and sublimnal orchestration.

o'jays - looky looky, look at me girl on neptune, great philly production and of the 100 mph aegis....that initial phase as described by steve cato where you just stand and watch people dancing....this record seemed to prompt soulies at our local do ( the noah's ark pub ) to imitate fred astaire tap dancing but wow!, it was inspiring....subsequently, it was the very first northern record i bought ( 75p ) in 72 i think.

here, here mate, if this is correct, its an absolute disgrace...impatience most certainly ISNT a virtue. lou has been trying to tie up a deal for a legitmate release but there's always someone who wants to gazzump the process just to make a dishonest buck, there ought to be swift retribution for this.

after 5 o clock? and only on a thursday?......sounds like richard domar! :lol:

its also on red atlantic ( uk )