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OK Roburt, you're right there. Still the promotional copies of the Sylves distributed by Chess tend to show that it was around mid 1967 somewhere ! By January 1967 Chess promos were already using the "white and blue sky" label. Never more the white'N'faint pattern 'promotional copy - not for sale' label ones. And you're right about the Musicor release dates. They are mid and late 1966 ! Musicor 1179 – Porgy And The Monarchs - If It’s For Real Baby / That Girl – 1966 May/June Musicor 1221 – Porgy & The Monarchs – My Heart Cries For You / Think Twice Before You Walk Away – 1966 November/December So for the first self distributed Sylves to be from 1966, is not right. I agree. More likely the first Sylves saw the light mid 1967. And I'd believe that the Chess distributed copies were very quick following. Maybe...

Cheers for that Roburt, I still await the copy to be definite on it to give it a spin. But as far as my memory goes from the last evilBay copy auctioned with sound-clip used the very same takes (tape) as on both Sylves but with an extra drum beat on the 'that's my girl' side to great-er effect. So it should not be a re-recording I remember. So indeed, like for you my guess is that 'love chains' is from the same studio session (I also noticed that the session numbers were following on both Verve's) and so pre-dates 1968 ! The first self distributed Sylves is around mid to late 1966. Verve is also known for it's second round re-issues like with the Wilson Pickett from their CUB catalogue (1962) pressed on Verve in 1965 to make then bigger sales than the firsts Correct-Tone and CUB runs altogether.

Hi Dave, it's nowhere to be find on the net by now. But I'll do a recording of it once it'll land in my mailbox. Tim

Hi Rob, yes first one I saw was last year I think on the evilBay in vg- something and it had a sound clip that made me almost fall out of my coach ! But the condition kind of put me off then. I love both sides ever since I have my promo copy on Sylves (25 years +), but when I heard the soundclip of the Verve of 'that's my girl' with the 2-times drum beat on top of the original track, I knew I need to have a Verve copy as well. I might let go my minty promo on Sylves when I receive my Verve one, but that's nothing for you I believe since you're after the Verve 'mix' now. Sorry but it's a keeper for me. It's as far as I know one of the overlooked rarest soul Verve 45 out there. But I still would like to know what's the story behind the last 45 (revived a year and a half later after the first Sylves) of Porgy with the Monarchs and it's real rarity factor. Stories like the Junior McCants 'try me for a new love' on King or Frankie Lyman 'I'm sorry' on Apple have the most grave explanation; sudden death of the artist ! Likely here it's not the case, but could be a contract disagreement issue or something...

So underrated in the 6T's, there is only little information on the group to be found anywhere. It shows as their records sales never matched the talents they dished out. We are many to love all the materials they did A, B and unissued sides. But what went "wrong" with their last double sider on Verve 'that's my girl'/'the girl and the boy' ? I understand that the self distributed Sylves came out after their venture on Musicor. Often pointed to be from 1966 (mid to late), the record apparently had enough exposure to convince the executives at Chess record to do a deal for a wider national distribution by early 1967 (or late 1966) likely. The Chess promotional copies used a special design (promotional copies - not for sale faint like transfer paper upside-down repetitive background pattern) from mid to late 1966 (for their catalogue numbers between Chess N°1958-1984) and started using that typical font for the credits by early 1967. Both the specific promo label and the font were used for the promotional Sylves copies distributed by Chess. That is how I concluded this issue to be from late 1966 or early 1967. By mid 1968, Porgy and the Monarchs came back with a deal with Verve to release 'love chain'/'magic music makers'. Arrangements again provided by the very same Richard Tee. 'love chains' is actually cut in exactly the same mold as their 'that's my girl'. It even sounds like it was recorded in the same session ! Things that makes you go Mmmh... Finally Verve issued a wonderful (tape) 're-worked' version of 'that's my girl' backed again with 'the girl and the boy' of which only a few promo copies escape into the wilderness... The Verve promo onlies copies around are so few about they don't even seem to have been promoted properly. What actually happened there ? Was it "withdrawn" or what ?

I remember it was believed to be from the same pressing plant. Same label specifications with the micro shiny rings and so forth. But not from the same batch since that Rita Graham is only LP only and re-release on a "missing" catalogue number and passed on to some "chosen few"... The dubious last batch in question was only carbon copies of well established big tickets NS biggies. There were 50 numbers more or less. A rather non exhaustive list was given only with artist names and Sam Williams was amongst.

Isn't this one from that very "mysterious" lot to give away (never to be sold) to the chosen few ONLY done a few months back ? A bunch of carbon copy (on vinyl only) of some of the big tickets number were done, given away and STILL some ended sold on the evilBay... I'm not up to date with all the mess that happens with re-issues and bootlegs lately so please apologies if I got it wrong here; https://www.ebay.com/itm/SAM-WILLIAMS-Love-Slipped-Through-My-Fingers-TOWER-Records-7-034-Northern-Soul-/252413691320?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

OK I give in, not that I was assertive or definetly affirmative. Or was I ? The original question wanted opinions... but indeed after some digging' for the fonts issue (sorry if I upset anyone ) plus the matrix facts (in this day and age where so many weird things turn up) it finally convinced me to believe that this West-Coast press may indeed be the rarest pressing of it ! And not another one of them dummies pressing. I learn everyday. Thanks for sharing that. Here's a record baring all the same font and more in different places, but there; =

Looks dodgy to me. Fonts are not right, too many of them. Plus I am only aware of the 3 pressing plants for this one; unless proven wrong... this is the first one before picked up by Atco for national distribution and then; exist also as WDJ, exist also as the very rare orange stock, and then this one from the same pressing plant as the first not Atco distributed, no WDJ apparently... to this day !

Different takes and I love the Teako cut, who is most likely the later take. I don't find the Salem one as good. Still worth mentioning on here indeed.

A W/DJ copy of this ! Really ? Never saw that.

My understanding is that they are not made for local demand really. They are 7T's issues with Brad's "old" 'breaking point' hit stuck on the B-side as a remember me ? You might have heard me singing '(I'm at the) breaking point'... The BLUE issue one on Lundy has a real nice 7T's tune called 'I want to share' which makes it worth owning. I don't know the "A" side of the RED one though called 'I love you'. My original quest was more about the different credentials between the Deena Johnson and the Brad Lundy even if there are some variations with the later presses like the "sudden" involvement of Kenny Ballard... Or how can someone like Jesse Herring let something like that happen ? His composition and his tapes for the backing track ALL with new credentials and not his !

I understand that Deena Johnson (a young Jo Armstead) on WILD DEUCE is first circa 1965. A New York project that only saw the light in the USA and got little success. Even if I know of a French acetate on Pyral that we still doubt went to be commercially issued... Then the tapes with the backing track found their way into another studio to lay Brad Lundy's silky voice some time later (date unknown to me but by the look of the label I'd have thought late 6T's or early 7T's) and while at it they changed all the credentials on the JULMAR label. The later self labelled LUNDY pressings even add the involvement of a Kenny Ballard on it... Anybody knows better or more about the hows and the whys on this fabulous tune with such different credentials at different times ?

Hypnotic raw Detroit instrumental to sooth the ears as well as to move those feet. Andrea Henry pedigree... Ex copy ! Sound clip of both sides with needle drop & lift AND scans from actual record for sale my darlin.mp3 PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- £30 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered Open to trades for 1 on 1

Always held this very high musically personally but only ever saw white label promos copies floating around. Thought wrongly not existing as a stocker first and proved wrong until this copy popped-up. I collect my RCA's as WLP (as much as I can) and so will stay sit on my promo copy and move this one along. Small tear on label and Juke-Box marks on vinyl that doesn't affect play. A Vg++ copy that plays strong as it looks. Sound clip of both sides with needle drop & lift AND scans from actual record for sale. channels.mp3 PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- £80 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered Open to trades for 1 on 1

When I bought few as NOS in Boston some 17 years ago, I had as many yellows as greens. But looking at the sales on the eVilBay there seem to be indeed less yellows floating around. I kept my green one to fit with the other releases on Gemini.

1.I’m stepping out with my memories bythe Vals 2.with all that’s in me byMarv Johnson 3.that’s the price you have to pay byBrenda & the Tabulations 4.till then byGeneral Crook 5.woman to woman byShirley Brown 6.I wouldn’t give you up byExtasy, Passion & Pain 7.a love you can depend on byBrenda & the Tabulaions 8.forever and a day byJackie Wilson 9.I’ll take the blame byChris Bartley 10.complete opposite byChuck Corby 11.I love you for all the seasons byThe Fuzz

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!!! SOLD !!! WAS £40 NOW £35 !!! The nighest thing to mint. Real NOS (new old stock) ! Only played by me for the recording of this mp3. Looks like a mirror with the rarest and faintest scuffs. Sound clip of both sides with needle drop & lift and scans from actual record for sale. gloria lynne.mp3 PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- £40 NOW £35 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered

If you can find the time to search on here there was a tread about that matter few years back.

Chris Calloway – baby you’re something else the Chimes – you’re the beginning of my life the Fabulous Peps – love of my life Eloise Laws – love factory the Harvey Avern Band – love never stays the same the Satisfactions - one light, two lights the O’Jays – La De Da means I’m out to get you Ronnie Walker – thanks to you The Hesitations – gotta find a way Jean Shy – our love is lost

Yes, second issue made for the northern soul scene/demand.

That's exactly why I'm found of their 3 singles. I can't argue against your argument, you're absolutely right. But I must say that the treatment they did with 'baby you're messing up my mind', borrowing the same backing track of the Phonetics 'what good' on Trudel, with the continuous "off-beat" thrills me more every time I hear it. I do feel alone at times when I play it to friends. To me it gives the tune the extra nonchalance that their Voices are bringing in there. In "crying..." I love the fact that they saturated the track with "stressed" vocals which gives the tune an "emergency" factor. While 'soul clinic' on Marlu is definitely the less "northern" track of the 3, it's only kind of mental. These stuffs were made with bits and pieces and required some creative imagination to compete with the big guns out there. I just love music like that.

Oh and I forgot to mention the name J.B. Bingham appears on them 3 singles...