Steve G

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Yup, and another example. Went to a soul night locally advertised in paper a couple of years ago. Over 150 in, didn't recognise a single face - well one actually, and then two others turned up so 3 out of 150. The other 147 were enjoying themselves to 60s and northern soul, and you never see them at a rare soul gig, allnighter or even an evening do. So I think SHS is safe Dave Des said the scene is very fragmented now, and ain't that the truth. Too factionalised too many genres. NS is a meaningless term - everything from 1950s R&B to Y2K10. Over 50s years of black dance musical evolution. It's a long way from it's uptempo 60s definition that attracted many of the now 40/50 somethings to it in the 1970s. Very few like all of this 50 year range of music, and some only like half a decade of it (1965-1969). Finally as people get older they're getting far more fussy as to where they go. Longer term don't see too much of a future for allnighters . Not with all the weekenders now on (how many a year now?), where you can just fall into your pit / chalet / caravan / tent when you've had enough........plus an ageing demographic inevitably losing it's 'energy' to stay up all night without "assistance". By and large youngsters won't go to our gigs, my son said as much "why do I want to hang around with a load of old people - chortle chortle you got to be kidding Dad chortle chortle - toothless birds there Dad - no way etc etc" Also starting to think there are too many self appointed people trying to "save the scene" with their own variants / nights -some playing very dodgy stuff and claiming it's the new way forward. And it's all very well quoting old "B&S B.S" from old father Elson who'se reporting was somewhat dodgy at the best of times (and that's putting it mildly), but back then soul was still 'fashionable' and there was loads of fresh blood coming on the scene every week to fill the dancefloors. Enjoy it while you still can!

Yes that's right Dave Issue 14 Old Blackbeat - Curtis was on the cover. Also got 25 Larry Houstons soon after which I sold for £2.50 when it was going for a tenner Steve

Missed the Revolution more like Steve

Oh Ian really!!!! Next you'll be telling us that Althea & Donna who had the hit "Uptown Top Ranking" featured Alethia Lattimore and Donny Hathaway The Yorks ensemble will be coming on here to tell us how they found one in someones toilet, and it's in their garage etc etc..... Can't get away from it though Gwen & Ray is a good solid norman oldie.

Yes but does it have 'boings' Keith? After Soul Bowl who had them first I got the first copies from Curtis back when (1981?), he sent me 2 x 45 with boings and 2 x 12". No copies without boings. he also sent a load of other Charm City stuff to (pretty much all of the rest - pics of She Devil etc.) and some blurb on his radio show he did. We featured him on the cover of Blackbeat (this was before he did "The Hardest Part" by the way). I always thought the 12s were the hardest simply because you don't see so many.

No probs Ivor. And don't you dare keep quiet! As a general note I have found some of the CD liner notes to be invaluable in piecing together this rare soul thing. As well as things like the group harmony book. Our generation is the custodian of this music, and so it's great that these things are being documented before anyone that remembers anything / anyone has pegged it and gone off to sing / produce / write in the sky. Steve

Just a thought Ivor - buy the Note / Tragar CD then you can read all about the Alabama group They came to Note from Sam Dees Moonsong set up. Line up Arthur Bailey, Ronnie Craig, James Dawson and Eddie Stovall. The toledo group were a bunch of local teenagers as far as I recall. Think I've got their line up somewhere I'll try and dig it out Steve

OK thanks Dave.

Nice one An old Yarmouth favourite.

Ian Clark confirmed what I suspected Rufus Hunter is Herbert Hunter's son.

Thanks Jason. Great thread would give old Mike Hughes & The Moderators a hernia trying to moderate all that. And George you are right - it's a kind of instant dancefloor record but horrid on the home decks.

You are right I'll probably be selling my Wally Coco.

Eddie Holman "Where I'm not wanted" (Grapevine)

Oh this deffo happens with records. I am sure of it. If not the same person, sellers mates etc.

The Note group is from birmingham Alabama Bob A. not Atlanta. Yes there is a photo in the liner notes of the Tragar / Note comp. Steve

Correct. Bedford. Will play it on May 8th if you come up. This record is finally starting to get the recongition it deserves.

Fabulous stuff Steve / Tony. Steve PS: Shame about those Yorkshiremen talking at the beginning of the clip

Get to Groovesville you'll hear me play it there

Hi Ivor, I wouldn't class Phillip Wright as rare - there must be loads of them about. In demand yes and I have some sympathy for the "sheep DJ" point. Time was (when I got it) you couldn't give them away. And as someone who has all of Tyrone's released stuff he made a lot of very good records. The point though I think is that musical tastes of the people that go out to clubs change, and a lot of people are certainly going for those funkier type sounds these days. The worst one for me is that Angela Davis where she just shouts over a loop beat ("My love is so strong"). Compared to that Phillip sounds really strong. I have always had a soft spot for those Reid / Clarke etc Miami things - simple and not technically the best - but they usually do the job. I also like the Dash label - some great stuff on there like Jeanette Holloway, Helene Smith, Ann Sexton, Leno Phillips etc. Steve

Groovesville. May 8th

Somone should post up the original thread where we discussed this.

Interesting Steve and I look forward to hearing it

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Thanks for the insight Wayne very interesting. Your dumpster finds are something else Think ML is actually a rare record. You know we plundered Detroit for everything for years in the 70s / 80s, and this one didn't show up until a few years ago. The amount of people going there, the amount of records taken etc. it would have turned up before if it was common. Probably not distributed as you say. Our biggest dealer at the time also had access to all Popcorn's stuff. I interviewed Popcorn in 1982 - long interview - no mention of it there either. I'd put it at 66, deffo not 1960, the production smacks of that fast Motown sound. Steve

Not seen them before - some very funny bits.

Right orig has narrower run out groove, and actually looks like a 60s record with a flat edge. Unlike the pressing which has a wider run out and more rounded edges if that makes sense. Also orig has BB223 A in run out in v small letters, boot has BEE 223 A in run out in spread out larger letters. I'm an anorak right?Anyway hope that helps....Steve