Chalky

Life’s not too short, play your boots but advertise the fact. I do not want to travel anywhere and pay good money to hear a fake Dj. I don’t pay with monopoly money so I expect the real thing. If you cannot do it right then go back into the hole you crawled out of, more than enough Djs out there who can do it right. By buying boots you are supporting crime and depriving people out of their rightful dues, licence and rights owners, artists, somgwriters etc.

Lee Roye "tears" was from Burlington, New Jersey. There is another topic somewhere about him. Not a lot known but Kev Roberts knew some who knew him.

There are 100s of em, the can’t afford the originals excuse is just bollox

It’s on one of Guys podcasts on my site, well part of it is.

yes of course typo But side by side most weren't even nearly dunno, there was 4 prosecuted other year and sentenced, there is a topic on here somewhere

They only got caught out because they hadn't seen them in the flesh, they were sussed as soon as seen.

Technology will not make up for the products once used that can no longer be obtained. Paper is hugely different, as are paints/inks and the plastic. It will get harder but they will be caught out.

And there is absolutely no need to book a fake Dj for any promotion. More than enough who have real records and more than enough who will do it for nowt 🙄😜

I have asked several times who these djs are, think I got two names for a venue in west midlands. I have even asked for their names via PM if people do not wish to say anything and I will give their names out publicly, again nothing. Until they are named and shamed we will never get anywhere and the market will always flourish its not just Djs supporting these bootleggers, plenty of collectors too. Ebay is rife with them, takes forever to sort the crap from the real stuff.

Wonder if using .com means you have to pay as well? Think I will stick with .co.uk.

Is this sales tax just through US ebay and those who use a US address? UK etc sellers not affected?

Hot light or chip shop counter? The warped copy is Tim’s and as far as I am aware it still plays.

People only have to look t discogs or 45cat for various releases to see how many variations of any particular release there are. Different plants, different mixes, all told apart by the matrix. Brenda Holloway has 21 release, 15 of them US. Its almost certain a test press existed at one time for every different version even if it was just one to check for flaws. Some plants might check the first press of any batch rather than do a specific test press.

Are they real? I know there was some dodgy ones about at one time?

But the Frank Wilson are not RCA presses, they did the mastering. The pressing plants we know are ARP for the demos out of Detroit and Southern Plastics in Memphis. Theoretically there could be more and from other plants too but as Robb said highly unlikely today. Just about every Motown release will have had a test press at every regional plant. ARP it would appear usually had the label as well. The Frank Wilson at Southern Plastics didn’t. A test press is usually exactly the same as the demo or issue but without the label. It will bear the same matrix stamps. Not sure how much clearer you want it. just about any manufacturing process has the first few items checked before the batch is done, in any industry. That is all a test press is, make sure there are no flaws or nothing wrong with the press.

https://www.discogs.com/The-Velvelettes-Needle-In-A-Haystack-Should-I-Tell-Them/release/6013160 there will be many with a RCA matrix. The above has nashville matrix 10, 10 being ARP. There will probably be a midwest and a west coast press too.

Think we all know its ok to play, just Dylan being an arse. Its also not needed in the topic either.

Every nationally distributed release would be pressed at regional plants. I would imagine every plant would test press once a release reached the production stage, after all it would be bad practice to press 1000s and then find a flaw in the press.

Why would you need a test press left at the plant in case of another required run? It plays no part in production, its only for reference, quality etc. As for Motown policy, they wouldn’t require 6 test presses from the other plants in fact it doesn’t appear any from Southern Plastics Found their way to detroit so is it possibly it was solely for plant use?

Why is it? We simply don’t know unless they turn up

They would do a test press to test if it plays ok etc

Because they originally probably had plans to press and distribute so they would use the regional plants, saves the cost of shipping everything from Detroit. You never know we might see a monarch one for the West Coast one day 😉 As for how many, no one knows, just one as surfaced. But like I said Motown did the evaluation and quality checks with those from ARP. So the other plants wouldn't need to repeat all the processes just do a test press to check the quality of the press, so maybe just the one. Wasn't from RCA plant if memory serves, could've been Southern Plastics. RCA did the mastering etc. Just checked, the 5 in the matrix is for Southern Plastic Co. (SO).

Deadwax details for the test press out of Memphis A side - SK4M - 4916 1 A Nashville Matrix 5 ZQL 163317 B side - SK4M - 4915 1 A Nashville Matrix 5 ZAQQ 147105

We are keeping up 😉 It would be at other plants for distribution purposes probably. Easier and cheaper to press on other regions than to ship. The demos at ARP and the test oress are done for evaluation and usually 5 or 6 for any release. We know there was 6 at ARP and as I said earlier the other plant wouldn’t need as many as the evaluation was already done with the ARP copies. The test press would be to solely for quality purposes. It still bears the RCA matrix if memory serves, topic elsewhere about it from when it was found, not that many seem to take much notice.

Yes we know, he nicked it off Tom’s desk allegedly. But if you read what the manager of ARP says then Motown still have two more copies. The other copy we know of came via the ARP manager to Ron to Martin to Kenny via Tim Brown.