Kenb

Sorry about the page set-up Vincent, Verdi, Verga,– no not a mis-spelling of the phrase famously attributed to Julius Caesar “veni, vidi, vici" (i came, i saw, I conquered)…but rather the names of just one women Liz Verdi. Tami Vincent was Liz Verdi whos’ real name was Virginia Verga. Let’s start with my earliest sighting of Virginia (Liz) at 13yrs old. This would be 1958, when together with Angela LaPrete and Vicky Cevetello (but before being known as The Carmelettes) they would back-up The Rockin’ Jesters on one of their records. Reportedly ‘I Was Too Blind’/ Tonight’s The Night’. Oklahoma OK 45-5004. I’ve never heard ‘Tonight’s The Night’ and can only assume it was this side they backed-up, since ‘I Was Too Blind’ has no back up. Unless the report should have said ‘Your Lips’ Oklahoma OK 45-5009. The 1959 Carmelettes were reported as having several hits including ‘Take Me Along’ / Promise Me A Rose’, Alpine AE-53 for the latter side. Oct 1959 Carmelettes, May 1958 The Misses (L to R); Angela LaPrete, Marie Verga, Vicky Cevetello Virginia (Liz) was the daughter of Mr & Mrs Thomas Verga, Jersey City. Mrs Thomas Verga had 7 daughters, Virginia & Marie lived at Home, 59 Giles Ave, whereas the other 5 daughters were married, Including Beatrice (Bea). Her sister, Bea (Beatrice) Verdi, nee Verga, is better known as a song writer, and needs little added info here that isn’t available elsewhere…apart from the fact she wrote ‘If It Hadn’t Been For You’ for her sister Virginia Verga aka Tami Vincent. Lor Crane, arranged and produced Liz Verdi on Columbia 45-43154 ‘Think It Over’ / ‘You Let Him Get Away’. Lor was born in Chicago and a Boys Town graduate of 1953. Lor Crane, who arranged and produced Liz Verdi on Columbia 45-43154 ‘Think It Over’ / ‘You Let Him Get Away’. The 45 was (at least initially) Published by Bob Amorino at Sound Music Co.

maybe it moved? 1969

i've always believed Mirasound was at 57th St , 2nd floor Henry Hudson Hotel, so i also think the adress 'on the acetate' is wonky!

The latest Northern Soul Connections issue #28from Ken b View full article

i think one of the reasons we don't see a picture of Connie Tanzell (or at least i hadn't seen a picture until this one) is we needed to be looking for The L-Treys, not The L-Trays as on the label. Now...whether the label printer got it wrong, or the gig ad's where i got the picture is wrong, i can't say.

ernie fields was ( had been) a ventriloquist, he named his dummy Coackroach. He'd done a bit of everything, DJ, comedy theatre, etc.

I don't know if it's the same Upsetters as with Little Richard...maybe it's just a quirky coincidence but he appeared as Little Richie Jarvis & Upsetters at the Jolly Rogers club (amonst others) 1965.

with and without the beard

Little Richie Jarvis (Nashville singer) did die in 1980 from the result of a car crash. He was white, and had what i can only describe as a 'hillbilly type beard". ( no i'm not 'beardest') and he is probably the same Little Richie Jarvis ( no beard) and The Upsetters.

is that Nev bottom right?

@Windlesoul This post script takes in the only 45 on Southern City Records (to date) that has 394 W. Main and Doc’s Place on the label. That being The Fox Set Mark Windle’s excellent articles here (soul source) and in his book “House of Broken Hearts” should be read for the bulk information on Hal Gilbert’s Southern City. Southern City Records.pdf

Exactly

don't you think it's reached a point where its a Commodity Market discussion in the same way as Stocks & Shares, Bit Coin, etc. The value is the price.

frequency. (in the context of auction price results).

yes Mike, perhaps the duplication/flurry has skewed it for me. I'm not suggesting any of the result topics are dropped. Its my observation of how this part of Northern Soul has developed. Don't get me wrong i also have posted Auction results. It's not just the results that get posted though, it's the is it/isn't value discussions too. my post also stemmed from the likes of posts such as "Is Northern Soul in good hands, etc", on the basis some might think it's all about the price you pay. Which i don't remember it being so in the past.

I get folks want to know what prices records sell for via auctions. Especially perhaps collectors, sellers OR those that have the record in their collection that is being auctioned and therefore want to know if it has “ gained” or not…but it feels to me like it is becoming a subject epidemic.

Chuck Bridges...i gues your thinking of the Karate guy

the chorus sections sound like the arrangement on Crown Heights Affair, Tell Me You Love MePhil Thomas, WIlliam Anderson, Ray Reid. but maybe you already knew this? Perhaps there are other versions?

You could get the train to squires gate rail station ( from Manchester), and stay at pontins with mates bunking up.

i understood that some had numbers in the clock face and some didn't. both pukka. i also understood that the one that without numbers in the clockface reas Moaning Growing AND Crying on the B-side instead of &. I didn't think it had ever been booted... that's not to say there isn't a hooky counterfeit or two about.

I’m no expert on deadwax, label revisions, bootleg, etc…but I guess you have info that supports the fact you have the original ( and that “the suspect one” you show perhaps isn’t)? i.e which is original, are they both original, is “ yours” ?

Publishers can collect royalties, usually on behalf of the songwriter(s), so Lovenote Pub may have done this ( past, now or future). There may also be a copyright (perhaps a master recording copyright, usually owned by the artist) and there's the composition which may be copyright protected usally by the songwriter or publisher. Needless to say @Woodbutcher is right, with our 45's royalties or other payments are likely to amount to bugger all.