boba

the story behind this is in my larry blasingaine interview (www.sittinginthepark.com/interviews.com). Miss Madeline was the lead singer of the young folk. The young folk are not the backing group on the "behave yourself" side but they didn't record another song for the flip so they just released the young folk track that was previously released as the b-side. The young folk were previously known as the baby miracles, they only did miracles covers before they signed to mar-v-lus. Their previous lead singer was the lead singer of the Ivories, she had a growth spurt and had to leave the Baby Miracles because she was too large to be in the group so she was replaced by Miss Madeline.

all the records being quoted in this thread were all local hits. all the stock was sold a long time ago and all the copies going on the market now are the ones sill being turned up from people's basements since these are still around.

So I was keeping quiet about all this, and I was pretty pissed already, but I got my record in the mail today and now I'm extremely pissed at Ian's total BS (which I'm sure he'll respond with more smooth talk). I was going to just keep quiet but I'm just posting my experience here, hopefully other people will avoid getting burned. I sent Ian a priced want list of very obscure sweet soul records. They were all sweet soul with no northern interest, priced pretty fairly in my opinion. He came back with 3 of the records, saying that they all were priced too low for the seller and that he had no control over the prices and that the mystery seller all wanted 550 pounds for each of the 3 records. I felt that 550 pounds was way over the top for all 3 records but one of them (the major III -- what girl a girl on TOI) is a very rare Chicago record. I'm in Chicago, met two of the members and want it to record for them (the fact that they don't have it means nothing about the rarity, no Chicago groups own any of their records, even the most common ones), and want it to collect. I had offered $600 which I felt was fair and was way more than it would go for on ebay or any other auction, it's just an obscurity and there's no northern side. I'm not rich but I feel it's a rare chance to get the record, and I can't really afford it right now but I went for it because when am I going to get a chance to get it again. So I go for it. I asked if I at least could do a paypal transfer and have him pay the shipping. I get an email back saying something to the effect of "the way it's going to work is that I'm going to do a bank transfer into Ian's account" which adds an extra $45 in fees for me. Anyways, I figured if the seller's being a hardass about it, fine, there's nothing I can do. When it's revealed that the seller is TIM BROWN, I'm pissed as hell, because THIS RECORD IS PRICED AT 75 POUNDS IN TIM BROWN'S NEW PRICE GUIDE. EVEN IF THAT IS A TOTAL BS PRICE, DID TIM BROWN REALLY COME BACK AND SAY THAT $600 WAS TOO LOW? HERE IS A PIC OF THE PRICE GUIDE: This is all done in secret and who knows what Ian is telling Tim, I usually wouldn't believe a word that Trouble says (e.g. he obviously did not have 2 copies of "james lovejoy" in the back of his hotbox packed up while he was moving that he couldn't post because he was moving), I have no idea why Ian didn't play it a little smoother and just deny that the seller was Tim. AT LEAST I WOULDN'T BE PAYING $1000 TO A SELLER THAT HAD PUBLISHED A PRICE GUIDE (WHICH I HAPPENED TO HAVE BOUGHT DIRECTLY FROM HIM BY THE WAY) WHICH CONTAINED THE SAME RECORD LISTED FOR 75 POUNDS. Hey Ian, how much did you take off the top of that???? No commission, right???? At the LEAST you could have been smoother and run your game a little tighter and denied everything Trouble said AND EVERYONE WOULD HAVE BELIEVED YOU. THEN, in the transaction, I asked several times for 1) the package to be sent signed for and 2) the package to be sent packed in a US-style mailer and not in a flimsy-UK style mailer. I have had AT LEAST 5 packages broken specifically because they were packed in a flimsy UK style mailer. Here are exact quotes from our PMs: Me: "please make sure the record is shipped in a US-style mailer well padded, signed for, to..." Ian: "No probs. Will confirm from this end as soon as money arrives, which I presume will be tomorrow or the day after. And don't worry about the packaging - I send out hundreds of packages every year and never had a breakage yet (I do Disgogs and E-Bay myself)." Me: "Thanks, I have had several records packed in the thin UK-style thin mailers broken which is why I have am asking for the US -style mailers if you got one, even a used-one reversed. Thanks." Ian: "Don't worry Boba, you'd need a sledgehammer to bust one of my packages (he said with justifiable pride LOL)......" Anyways, I get the package today and 1) it is NOT sent signed for and 2) IT IS PACKED IN A FLIMSY STYLE UK MAILER. Here are pics so you can see how it is sent (note the lack of "signed for" on the front) There was one filler pad on each side of the record, I could easily crack the package with much less than a sledgehammer and I have had better packed packages broken with less which is why I SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR IT TO BE NOT PACKED NOT IN A FLIMSY UK MAILER. I guess if you read the back and forth above he never specifically says he won't, but that's his smooth-talking I guess, don't trust a word he says. He did say "no probs" specifically in response to my request of it being sent signed for in a US mailer though. There was never a word about condition of the record throughout the transaction, the record was in about VG+ condition and had slight mildew spotting on the label on both sides (I can scan it if people care), you'd think if I were paying $1000 for a record he would mention it? All the stuff about having to pay a premium to get stuff out of Tim Brown's personal collection is also total BS, I'm a casual buyer off of his list, occasionally buying lower priced items, and I'm sure even I have an email I can dig up from a couple years ago saying he's selling his collection and to send a want list (I had sent a short want list back then and I remember buying a copy of first class on thereway for 25 pounds at the time). Usually I wouldn't believe a word Trouble says but everything he said in the thread is 100% true. This had been an extremely bad experience. The worst part is that Ian is totally shaking you down mafioso style for every penny, yet responding with total BS about how he's such a great guy rooting for you, trying to fight for you and get you the best price, do you a favor, etc. Total sleaze. At least he could be straight up with it. I can't believe the total BS that went on. The only positive thing for me is that I paid way less than 2000 pounds for the precisions on hen-mar recently, I didn't know that anyone wanted the crappy northern side. BUYER BEWARE.

my advice is that if you're just starting out, 50 and 100 pounds is WAY to much to be spending on records, there are plenty of good tracks to be buying for $5 and $10, you can get good stuff on ebay or at local record shops, etc. and should exhaust that route before forking out a premium at major dealers sites. especially if you're looking for stuff to play at home in a jukebox and not top items to dj out with. i bought every 50 cent record i could buy before i started spending $1 for a record and only bought every $1 record before I would spend $5 for a record, etc.

Hi. Today on my show my interview cancelled so I did a music show and a tribute in memory of Johnny Carter of the Dells. I played all music and in the last half hour I played my favorite Dells tracks, focusing on, in my opinion, the most underrated period of the Dells career (the 70s). You can listen to the show at the bottom of my shows page at: https://www.sittinginthepark.com/shows.htm Playlist follows. Thanks for your interest. Naturals - I'm the one - Smash Sam Bing (w/ Rufus Cannon Combo) - There'll be no next time - Zaraks Celebrities - You didn't tell the truth - Boss Determinations - That's what I like - Important Other Brothers - Little Girl - Amy Bob and Gene - Which love - Modo Johnson Brothers - When I was a boy - Smoke House Billi Welles and the Outer Realm - Date with Destiny - Mercede Southern Production - Whatcha gonna do (when I'm gone) - Chanita Temprees - Love ... can be so wonderful - We produce Kool and Together - His beginning is my end - Magic Machine - Ma ma - Jarrett Insiders - Nighty night - Mercury Brothers by Choice - Oh Darling - Ala Pulse - Baby I miss you - Olde World Dells - Ooh I love you - Cadet Dells - It's all up to you - Cadet Dells - Just as long as we're in love - Cadet Dells - Give your baby a standing ovation - Cadet Dells - The love we had stays on my mind - Cadet Dells and Dramatics - Love is missing from our lives - Cadet thanks, Bob

craig moorer's buy it now price tells you nothing except that any price over that is way over the top

i know someone else who did this on an expensive record that was packed with strapping tape (like that brown tape with rope in it that you need a knife to open) and cracked the record in half.

also, everything I'm going to bid on somehow gets bid up to like 4x the actual value, insane, ebay needs to fix this right away.

i can't tell if you're making a joke but i'm pretty sure that's her on overdub

i'm sorry, but this is sort of retarded, they took another modulations video and edited it to look like they were singing hopelessly in love? weak. i guess they did an okay job, it looks believable, but that's not what they're actually singing.

not good

I really don't see the point of posting a link to a live ebay auction, in this case I don't see a motive other than a record that the poster already owns (which he admits to owning) that he wants to maintain the value of, either because it somehow maintains its reputation as "top spin" or because he might even sell it later and doesn't want it to go low. Pretty weak. I hate when people post links to live ebay auctions here and I hate the stupid ebay ads here too, as it draws attention to stuff that I might otherwise get cheap as a buyer (but at least that probably gets Mike some money for the site).

what were your four wants?

the real question is, who the were the charmers, the same names are on the pip record and the laurie records but the laurie records have a female lead with male backing group and the pip record is a female group.

In the interview vandy lane confirms it is the group. The group is from saginaw, mi, which is where lj reynolds and stevie wonder are from.

Hi. Yesterday on my radio show I interviewed Maurice Jackson, solo artist and member of the Independents and Silk. Maurice grew up in Altgeld Gardens, the housing on the southern border of the Chicago. Maurice started singing at an early age in church and began taking voice lessons and singing in talent shows in high school. He even turned down an opportunity to sign with Capitol records, as his father discouraged him from singing secular music. After leaving high school Maurice went to Reno, Nevada and on his first day there, Maurice happened to notice and sign up for a talent audition. When he finally got called up to sing Maurice sang "100 pounds of clay" and was sent home. Two weeks later Maurice got a call and found that he won the competition and that the audition was for a television program called "Break out". He initially started working television and then began to front a band called Maurice and the Mark IV. The band got a lot of work as they were a White band fronted by an African American vocalist so they were able to do a wide range of material and were able to cover R&B material such as James Brown, Otis Redding, and Wilson Pickett that was popular in the area at the time. The band even later changed their name to the Citations (solely due to the fact that "Maurice and the Mark IV" didn't fit on the Marquee for a specific show) and performed for about 5 years but never recorded. Around 1969, the Checkmates recorded Maurice's first record, "Maybe", in Reno. Maurice left Reno and moved back to Chicago and met E Rodney Jones, who took the record to Weis records and released the record. Although the record had a really nice Chicago sound, the record did not get much play. Maurice's followup record, "Lucky fellow", was produced by Emmett Gardner, arranged by Donny Hathaway, and backed by the Contributors of Soul. The record became Maurice's biggest solo record. The record was a huge hit in Chicago, having an all-time classic Chicago soul sound. It was released locally on the Candle-lite label and released nationally on the Lakeside label. Maurice even performed the song on the national Soul Train show show in California. Maurice released one more solo record recorded possibly at the same session (at least it was produced by the same people with the same backing singers) called "Step by step", released on the Plum label. The record did not receive much play, despite having a nice Chicago sound. In the early 70s, Maurice was performing in Chicago with singer Helen Curry in the local club the Green Bunny. They formed a group with a singer named Ben Fernandez called Benjamin and Company and began performing in a club called the Pumpkin Room; the group performed fifth-dimension styled pop soul. After about a year, Benjamin and Company broke up and Maurice and Helen were performing on the same bill as separate artists. Chuck Jackson (brother of Jesse Jackson, no relation to the "Any day now" singer) and co-songwriter Marvin Yancy had recorded a demo (with Chuck singing lead) called "Just as long as you need me" and they came down to Maurice and Helen's practice to try to get a group together to release the track under. Maurice and Helen agreed to form a group with Chuck, named "The Independents" (based on the fact that they were all really independent artists), and signed with manager Eddie Thomas to Scepter / Wand records. Their first record, "Just as long as you need me" was actually just the demo record -- Chuck Jackson and Marvin Yancy -- backed by a third unknown female singer. The record was a hit, reaching number 8 on the Billboard R&B Charts. The Independents' subsequent recordings were Chuck Jackson, Maurice Jackson, and Helen Curry, occasionally with additional vocals by Marvin Yancy on record; however Yancy was not an official member of the group and did not tour with the group. The Independents were an unusual group in that they released 8 singles and every single record they released charted in the billboard R&B charts. Their record "Leaving me" was a number 1 R&B hit. The group soon found that they needed a permanent fourth member to add the high parts that Yancy sang on record; the group added Eric Thomas (who they found via Jesse Jackson, as Thomas sang in the Operation Push Choir). The Independents toured Internationally and were successful; however, Maurice left in 1974 to join the Ministry and the group soon broke up. In 1976, Maurice decided to get back into music. He formed a new group called Silk, with Eric Thomas (of the Independents) and Arthur Reid (also from the Operation Push Choir). The group got hooked up with a manager in New York who sent them to Al Bell and David Porter in Memphis to record. Silk released an album on New York's Prelude records in 1977, and the first single from the album, "Party" became a national hit. The record had an interesting southern disco sound, being produced by Stax producers but with a contemporary flavor. A follow up single from the record did not get any play. Prelude released a second LP on the group, recorded by Gene Barge in Chicago, but did not release any singles off the LP and it did not receieve any play. Silk soon broke up. Jackson released one more single in 1980 on Sidney Thomas' Parrall / Parallel records -- "Don't Stop Saying you Love me" / "True love is you". The record had an excellent indie soul sound but received little play or distribution. Since then, Jackson went back to focus on his work in the ministry. He has recently began to work in music again, recording as "Maurice" with his daughters, and is currently releasing a second CD as "Maurice". You can check out the interview at the bottom of my interviews page at: https://www.sittinginthepark.com/interviews.html thanks, Bob

yes, this was a local hit ('please stay') nobody represses a record a million times based off of "hope"

chicago group by the way

You should definitely buy the reissue on CD if you like the LP as there are a ton of bonus tracks, all finished and all in the style of the LP, some superior to what's on the LP in my opinion. I think the reissue was also done on LP but I'm not sure if the LP contains all the bonus tracks. There are also extensive liner notes.

noriega sold a few unissued acetates on ebay, i assume he has some more too

mike noriega also did a reissue of this stuff with lee silver and would know, did ace/kent do one afterwards?

rare sam cooke northern record: just for you on SAR

i don't know it and I thought it was pretty good, is it a 45 or LP?

I was going to say the same thing, you have 45 days, not 30 days

hi dave. I believe you and I see he wrote the song, but do you have an accurate source on this? I would like to forward the info on to my friend who is finishing the new volume of the soul harmony singles book and there is a lot of false information and rumors floating around so he wouldn't take the info without a real source. Is ronnie love still alive? Does this mean the essex iv is a white group?