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It definitely didn't in the US, don't know about any foreign countries. Probably not.

A few things: 1. R&B time was a hit in Chicago. E Rodney Jones himself probably played it a lot. It is much more common to find R&B time in Chicago than Bobby Treetop. DJ rapping over instrumental records were big at the time (and not just in Chicago). Lucky Cordell had a bunch of them. Herb Kent did a similar thing to E Rodney Jones -- the Jackie and Tut record that originally came out on the Dawn label (Jackie Edwards and Emmett "Tut" Sutton btw) had their vocals stripped for the chess release and Herb Kent rapped over that. Butterball Crane had one too. Probably at least one more Chicago DJ had a "rap" record. 2. This record could have been a second press to get into other people's hands who wanted a copy. It could have been some of the other things suggested by other people in this thread. However, I seriously doubt it was pressed to satisfy UK demand. 3. E Rodney Jones spent most of his career at WVON. By 1970 he was program director and was for a long time.

Is it an identical track or a "jacked" track where they replayed it? I know of one more example where they stole the track / arrangement without the actual recording. Big Jim's Border Crossing on Zanzee rips off the Cheers on Okeh.

there's also the WNOV comps which look identical and are confusing if you don't know WNOV was the Milwaukee version of WVON

I also have my scanner hooked up now btw but it puts a bunch of ugly blue lines on scans that you will not be able to photoshop out easily. Do you want a scan of that record?

I have the two trans-sisters on imperial and their rare one on pickwick city. I got the pickwick record from a UK dealer a long time ago. I played it and both sides played some crappy white male rock band. So I figured the pickwick city record was just a mislisting of a different group and the few times I had seen it for sale since I laughed whenever someone bought the record. Then the last time I see it on ebay there's two bidders and it goes for over $1000! I was like WTF, I assumed they were Lou Reed / VU collectors since there is supposed to be some Lou Reed involvement. Then I found out that the record really *is* a female soul record and my copy is a mispress of some totally different rock record (don't know what it is) and that I missed the few opportunities that came up to buy a real copy.

oh yeah? well mine arrived and it was mint++ I think items like this are funny because people always assume that rarity means it's some weird early promo press or something, when it could be a random later bootleg pressed in limited amounts.

I won the one that was on ebay, I never saw it before. It's 400 pounds in the manship guide.

I really appreciate the offer -- I just finished illegally downloading it though. For law enforcement types out there, here is proof of ownership:

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I learn about at least a few new records (not necessarily good records) every day. So these were two good records I didn't know (esp. the soul generation).

I could be wrong, I didn't re-listen before posting. Just posting what I remember from comparing back to back a long time ago. I would think your question would still be valid, about uncredited stealing, who did it first, etc.

right on, sweet soul dudes take over this thread... this: and the real tony clarke record https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k49wAY4oi50

excellent show, you have good taste brian. I even heard a couple things I didn't know -- Lori and Lance on federal and the soul generation on sticky. I bought a copy of the soul generation but the lori and lance is online for like $100. it's not actually worth that much is it? sounds more like a $50 or less record to me... do you actually have the topics on noodle with the correct spelling ("topics")? the record is already rare as the "tropics" on noodle, but even rarer as the "topics". It's the same group as on carnival, chadwick, mercury, etc.

mp3s of the show: https://rapidshare.com/files/1263170252/flanny-1.mp3? https://rapidshare.com/files/2498465799/flanny-2.mp3?

I actually have that CD, I have a huge bag of CDs that I bring to my radio show in case someone requests something or if the next DJ doesn't show up (before people flip out every other thing i play is 45s). Anyways, I opened it up a few weeks ago and the CD was cracked in half, I was pissed.

thanks! will check it out.

yeah would love to hear an archived version of this. if someone has a recording they could mp3, they could upload to divshare or some other side for free.

what would you like to give him?

They don't have the same backing track. One of them recreated the backing track of the other one. It was pretty much "stolen" though even though it's not the same recording.

Jessica records and all its artists are milwaukee.

so if someone were to post the identities of the unidentified "unknowns" in this thread, what would the consequences be?

Paypal almost always sides with the buyer. I'm on a message board consisting of mostly sellers and there are constant threads on chargebacks, etc. Apparently there is no US Mail service you can use to avoid a chargeback, you would have to use DHL or something. Someone posted a long story about how he won a chargeback for the first time, apparently you have to lose first then appeal and do all sorts of crazy things.

isn't this a known funk record?

I'm not saying you deserve to lose. I'm saying you will lose. You could have a video of yourself handing the package to him in person with him opening it, inspecting it, and playing it and saying "it's just as described". You will still lose.