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Everyone seems to be missing the point on this. Whether the Four Vandals was, a real record, singer, (Steve Bernstein) or real musicians were used is not the issue. Whether people liked, disliked or knew all along that it was not legit is also of no consequence, I was not my intention to re open this well worn topic I used the FVs as an example of how the scene was and, can be manipulated. As pointed by Geeselad, Richard Searling played this on his Sunday radio show additionally a well known Dj parted with a large sum of cash to own the record. The fact that people were mis led is undeniable. The AIGs being posted at the moment are pretty crude,although some are some better than others. They will inevitibly get much, much better, in the hands of a skilled sound engineer,and introduction of orchestral backing etc they will be indistinguishable from the real thing. Cut to vinyl, and placed into a box at a US record fair (as an example) in very similar to the way that the FVs was fed into the scene, hey presto, Sallys your uncle & Bobs your Aunt. If you tell me I've got that the wrong way round see the AIG video, its the one after the dog flying a plane ! Impossible ?, they won't fool me ? I'd like to think that I'm in that camp,but, If Elton John and Paul Mcartney think AI might be problamatic for the wider music scene, then I'll air on the side of caution.

Four Vandals - fooled a few people for a while

Believe me they are just testing the water at the moment, they will add whatever defect you require, rice crispies, cue burn, off centre, no problem sir The quality of the product will become much better, it will be impossible to distinguish between a genuine new discovery and that which is A I generated. The saving grace could be , in the tech world mass availabilty is key to sucess, whereas, exclusivity is an integral component of the soul scene.

Several previous A I topics have been discussed on SS, but for those that haven't yet seen it, take a look at this on you tube https://www.youtube.com/@HilariouslyRealMusic 234 videos posted in the last 28 days, not one of them real. Just waiting for the first one off vinyl 45 to surface somewhere in Chicago Four Vandals all over again ?

One on discogs Roger Hatcher - I'm Gonna Dedicate My Song To You (Vinyl, US, 1968) For Sale | Discogs

£5 EACH - ALL ARE IN VG + OR BETTER CONDITION BUY ALL OF THEM FOR £30 INC UK POST !!! PRIORITY GIVEN TO BUYERS OF THE PACK !!! CLARENCE REID - BAPTIZE ME IN YOUR LOVE - ALSTON (DEMO) (GREAT DANCER) KIM MORRISON - ONE IN A MILLION- MALACO MILLIE JACKSON - LOVE DOCTOR - UK POLYDOR KEANYA COLLINS - YOU DON'T OWN ME - ITC OC SMITH - LOVE CHANGES / GOT TO KNOW - MOTOWN ( 2 GOOD SIDES) GEMINI - YOU'VE GOT SOMTHIN' SPECIAL - M&M (UNDERPLAYED) TRUSSEL - LOVE INJECTION - ELEKTRA ARCHIE BELL & DRELLS - DEAL WITH HIM - ATLANTIC (ANOTHER NICE TUNE BY HIM) DAVID HUDSON - NOW THAT LOVE IS GONE - WAYLO NINO TEMPO - SISTER JAMES - A&M PAYMENT BY PAY PAL FINE THANKS FOR LOOKING - PM TO RESERVE JOHN FISHER ***

Firstly, Teds well being and safety are the most important thing here, as such I send Ted my best wishes and a speedy recovery from what must have been an horrendous experience. The worrying thing about this incident is that whichever angle you look at it from, it all leads back to someone who, knows the scene & knows Ted's collection. I doubt very much that it was organised yesterday at the gig but more than likely planned over a few weeks, therefore I think the perpetrator or perpetrators, know exactly where and how to move them on. The risks taken in obtaining the records would surely indicate that the motive is for financial gain. Although anyone with an understanding of the scene must know they cant be sold as a collection in an open market. If they are going into a private collection what's the point ? they can never be shown to anyone and they cant be played out. The idea mooted by a previous poster about offering a reward for "safe return" is all well and good but it puts every collection and Dj in the country in jeopardy. I know there is never ever such thing as a victimless crime, but it really takes a special kind of low life to steal or harm someone from your own community and I hope that they are caught quickly and dealt with severely. JF

SOLD SOLD SOLD 10 RECORDS £15 INC UK POST ALL IN VG + OR BETTER CONDITION ( odd sticker or minor wol on some ) MARTHA REEVES - FORGET ME NOT / GOTTA LET YOU GO - TMG 762 GLADYS KNIGHT - LOOK OF LOVE - TMG 844 EARL VAN DYKE - 6 x 6 - TMG 759 FOUR TOPS - DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO - TMG 7103 Jr WALKER - HOLY HOLY - TMG 872 Jr WALKER - WHAT DOES IT TAKE - TMG 712 SUPREMES & FOUR TOPS - GOTTA HAVE LOVE IN YOUR HEART - TMG 793 VELVELETTES - THESE THINGS WILL KEEP ME LOVING YOU - TMG 780 TEMPTATIONS - TAKE A LOOK AROUND - TMG 808 SISTERS LOVE - LEARNING TO TRUST MY MAN - TMG 1002 PAYMENT BY PAY PAL FINE MORE TO FOLLOW - OVER THE YEARS I'VE AQUIRED 100s OF THESE AS PART OF COLLECTIONS - TIME TO MOVE THEM ON.*** PLEASE NOTE I DONT WANT TO SELL THEM AS A JOB LOT , NO MORE EMAILS PLEASE *** THANKS FOR LOOKING - PM TO RESERVE JOHN FISHER

Yours sir I will Pm you John F

SOLD SOLD SOLD £5 EACH -11 BOOTS, SECOND ISSUES, IN VG + OR BETTER CONDITION BUY ALL OF THEM FOR £25 INC UK POST !!! PRIORITY GIVEN TO BUYERS OF THE PACK !!! RICHARD TEMPLE - LET'S DO THE DUCK - STEPHANYE HUGO MONTENIGRO ORCH -SHERRY- OUT OF THE PAST FUNKY SISTERS - DO IT TO IT - OUGHT OF THE PAST BRENDA HOLLOWAY - GIVE ME A LITTLE LOVE AND INSPIRATION - NO LABEL SOUL FOX STRINGS - BLOWING MY MIND TO PIECES - SOUL GALORE THE TRIUMPHS - WALKIN' THE DUCK - NERVE THE 5 ROYALES - CATCH THAT TEARDROP - HOME OF THE BLUES O'JAYS - I DIG YOUR ACT - FLASHBACK BOB WILSON - SUZY'S SERENADE - SEVENTY SEVEN - YOUNGBLOOD SMITH - WALK ON BABY - SOUL WORLD SKULL SNAPS - I'M YOUR PIMP - GSF PAYMENT BY PAY PAL FINE MORE TO FOLLOW - OVER THE YEARS I'VE AQUIRED 100s OF THESE AS PART OF COLLECTIONS - TIME TO MOVE THEM ON.*** PLEASE NOTE I DONT WANT TO SELL THEM AS A JOB LOT , NO MORE EMAILS PLEASE *** THANKS FOR LOOKING - PM TO RESERVE JOHN FISHER

Thank you, yes its yours, same pay pal address records will post tomorrow. John Fisher

***SOLD SOLD*** £5 EACH -11 BOOTS, SECOND ISSUES, IN VG + OR BETTER CONDITION BUY ALL OF THEM FOR £25 INC UK POST !!! PRIORITY GIVEN TO BUYERS OF THE PACK !!! BARBARA McNAIR - YOUR'E GONNA LOVE MY BABY - TAMLA MOTOWN (LOOK ALIKE RED& WHITE) LUTHER INGRAM ORCH - IF ITS ALL THE SAME TO YOU BABE / EXUS TREK - HIB PRECISIONS - IF THIS IS LOVE - DREW SHANE MARTIN - I NEED YOU - CSP JOE HICKS - DON'T IT MAKE YOU FEEL FUNKY - AGC THE TRIUMPHS - WALKIN' THE DUCK - VERVE CYNDY LYNN - MEET ME AT MIDNIGHT - OUTTA SIGHT - OSV110 DAMON FOX - PACKING UP - OUTTA SIGHT - OSV 079 BONNIE & LEE - THE WAY FEEL ABOUT YOU - OUTTA SIGHT - OSV 082 EXCITERS - NUMBER ONE- OUT OF THE PAST LORRAINE CHANDLER - I CAN'T CHANGE - OUTTA SIGHT - OSV 032 PAYMENT BY PAY PAL FINE MORE TO FOLLOW - OVER THE YEARS I'VE AQUIRED 100s OF THESE AS PART OF COLLECTIONS - TIME TO MOVE THEM ON.*** PLEASE NOTE I DONT WANT TO SELL THEM AS A JOB LOT , NO MORE EMAILS PLEASE *** THANKS FOR LOOKING - PM TO RESERVE JOHN FISHER

************NOW SOLD*************** £5 EACH -11 BOOTS, SECOND ISSUES, IN VG + OR BETTER CONDITION BUY ALL OF THEM FOR £25 INC UK POST !!! PRIORITY GIVEN TO BUYERS OF THE PACK !!! YVONNE VERNEE - JUST LIKE YOU DID ME - GROOVEY GROOVES SWEET THINGS - I'M IN A WORLD OF TROUBLE - SOULTOWN FABULOUS JADES - COME ON AND LIVE - SOUL GALORE JONNY CASWELL - YOU DON'T LOVE ME ANYMORE - DECCA ROZETTA JOHNNSON - CHAINED AND BOUND - OUT OF THE PAST BOB WILSON - SUZY'S SERENADE - SOUND PLUS RUBY WINTERS - BETTER - OUTTA SIGHT - OSVO98 TOBI LEGEND - TIME WILL PASS YOU BY - OUTTA SIGHT - OSV 136 JOSEPH MOORE - I STILL CAN'T GET YOU - OUTTA SIGHT - OSV 011 TWO PLUS TWO - I'M SURE - OUTTA SIGHT - OSV 003 SAM FLETCHER - I'D THINK IT OVER - TOLLIE PAYMENT BY PAY PAL FINE MORE TO FOLLOW - OVER THE YEARS I'VE AQUIRED 100s OF THESE AS PART OF COLLECTIONS - TIME TO MOVE THEM ON.*** PLEASE NOTE I DONT WANT TO SELL THEM AS A JOB LOT , NO MORE EMAILS PLEASE *** THANKS FOR LOOKING - PM TO RESERVE JOHN FISHER ***

Hi Admin, Just to clarify none of the records are recent bootlegs all are from the early seventies acquired as part of collections which I just want rid of At £2 a record I'm not doing this as a commercial venture just a clear out.

SOLD SOLD SOLD £5 EACH -11 BOOTS, SECOND ISSUES, CARVERS, IN VG + OR BETTER CONDITION OR BUY ALL OF THEM FOR £25 INC UK POST !!! PRIORITY GIVEN TO BUYERS OF THE PACK !!! JOHNNY BRAGG - THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ME - ELBEJAY GYPSIES - WOMANS WORLD - OLD TOWN FABULOUS JADES - COME ON AND LIVE - SOUL GALORE FREDDIE CHAVEZ - THEY'LL NEVER KNOW WHY - LOOK EDDIE PARKER - LOVE YOU BABY/I'M GONE - ASHFORD BOB WILSON - SUZY'S SERENADE - SOUND PLUS SOUNDS OF LANE - TRACKS TO YOUR MIND- ITZY AD-LIBS - NEW YORK IN THE DARK - AGP FRANKIE AND JOHNNY - I'LL HOLD YOU - HICKORY (PROMO) VOGUES - THATS THE TUNE - CO & CE YVONNE BAKER - DIDN'T SAY A WORD - CAMEO PARKWAY PAYMENT BY PAY PAL FINE MORE TO FOLLOW - OVER THE YEARS I'VE AQUIRED 100s OF THESE AS PART OF COLLECTIONS - TIME TO MOVE THEM ON THANKS FOR LOOKING - PM TO RESERVE JOHN FISHER