Anyone for a copy of thismecca classic in its 'rarest' format!

Ebay item #: 350333345430

Or

direct link to item listing: https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item51917e9e96

Seriously, is this legit or a little naughty?

I know what I think but would like your sagacious opinion and feedback

TIA

Greg.

Edited August 4, 201015 yr by ClearVinyl

Anyone for a copy of thismecca classic in its 'rarest' format!

Ebay item #: 350333345430

Or

direct link to item listing: https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item51917e9e96

Seriously, is this legit or a little naughty?

I know what I think but would like your sagacious opinion and feedback

TIA

Greg.

It's legit, it was mispressed in this way as far as i remember. Not the rarest format though i think.

It's most likely legit, but it's a re-issue pressed in the 90s (or mid/late 80s at the very earliest).

It's legit, it was mispressed in this way as far as i remember. Not the rarest format though i think.

He as ten copy's.

It's most likely legit, but it's a re-issue pressed in the 90s (or mid/late 80s at the very earliest).

That was my first thought i.e. it was a re-issue as you say Seb.

But it's the description that I thought was misleading - deliberately or not.

It reads:

ONLY 200 copies were pressed.

THIS IS A GENUINE ERROR ON THE PART OF THE PRESSING PLANT.

THIS IS NOT A RE-ISSUE OR PRESSING.

THE HARDEST WAY TO OWN THIS ABSOLUTE ANTHEM !

Not exactly true imho - i.e. it is a re-issue and the Paula WD is the tuffer format.

Too much of this ambiguity with descriptions on Ebay and certainly a hindrance to anyone starting to collect OV

Cheers

Greg.

It's legit, it was mispressed in this way as far as i remember. Not the rarest format though i think.

As I've just posted Matt, I was under the assumption it was a re-issue and it seems it was a legitimate pressing.

But if you have any further info that it was a genuine mispress done around the time of the original release then at £45 it's not a bad buy.

Just don't want to end up buying an expensive reissue

Cheers

Greg.

1986-87 as I recall. While it is strictly speaking true that this is numerically the smallest run I don't think it should sell for any more than £15.

I bought one of these a few years ago for £12 after checking in JM's guide that it was kosher (ie a 60s press) so I'm a bit confused now?

interestingly the value in price guide 4 was £75 but in the 5th edition is down to £50:ohmy:

As I've just posted Matt, I was under the assumption it was a re-issue and it seems it was a legitimate pressing.

But if you have any further info that it was a genuine mispress done around the time of the original release then at £45 it's not a bad buy.

Just don't want to end up buying an expensive reissue

Cheers

Greg.

Ah i see what you mean. Yes, mispressed legit reissue i should have said.

I don't know when they were pressed up, probably a response to the original getting plays on the scene.

Personally I wouldn't pay £45 for it.

I recently won a mis-pressed copy off e-bay , just because i hadn't had it before.. as everyone has stated it is kosher... but to my ears , a totally different mix to the red labelled Paula release.... the pink mis-press is definitely sweeter , smoother and slightly faster.... i prefer the red labelled release personally...

Still the best song in my collection..shear magic.......

Edited August 4, 201015 yr by biggray1

Noticed this the other day and thought it looked too Pink but sometimes a scanner does change the colour

but it all looks too new (allegedly, in case I get sued) , so are we saying this isn't an original of the first issue ?

Swifty

Noticed this the other day and thought it looked too Pink but sometimes a scanner does change the colour

but it all looks too new (allegedly, in case I get sued) , so are we saying this isn't an original of the first issue ?

Swifty

My opinion is in line with the consensus - that this is probably a reissue and not a pressing contemporary with the original Paula pressings.

Why the use of a mispressed label is a bit of a mystery..

Greg.

so is the information given here completely wrong?

https://www.boldsoulb...p-on-your-love/

Edited August 4, 201015 yr by CSTA

so is the information given here completely wrong?

https://www.boldsoulb...p-on-your-love/

this:

Mistakenly released as a misprint on Paula (381) instead of "How Can One Man Live" before it's official release, again on Paula (390)

is totally wrong

Why the use of a mispressed label is a bit of a mystery..

it seems clearly a pressing mistake, and that they intended to press the record on the label and not "hung up your love". "hung up on your love" got no US play relative to their other singles.

it seems clearly a pressing mistake, and that they intended to press the record on the label and not "hung up your love". "hung up on your love" got no US play relative to their other singles.

In the mid-late 80s Stan Lewis and/or his son re-issued a number of records from the Jewel-Paula-Ronn labels for the sweet soul and ballad collectors market, primarily in the far east and in continental Europe. Garry Cape mentioned this here when we talked about the re-issues of the Charlie Cole Black 45 on Jewel, which at the time was relatively hard to find as an original but has subsequently become much (much!) easier to locate. I'm sure this particular Montclairs re-issue 45 was aimed at the sweet/ballad market overseas and the fact that "Hung Up On Your Love" appears on it is completely incidental to the fact that Montclairs 45s were in demand from a completely different market at the time. I don't think the UK rare soul scene was in the minds of the Lewises at all in this.

Bear in mind that at the time Hung Up had a value to UK collectors of about ten to fifteen pounds and was never particularly hard to find. It's only comparatively recently (in the last six or seven years) that you would have had to pay anything over £25 for an original of Hung Up; issue or demo. It was pressed in bulk and many, many copies made their way over to these shores as a comparatively recent release. In fact I've often thought the chance of a bulk find of the track was greater here than in the US. It's only really in the last few years that demand for an original pressing of this has finally overtaken supply and even then I feel the price is an inflated one.

As an aside this run of 'archive' Jewel/Paula/Ronn singles also included a 45rpm outing for Bobby Patterson's "Recipe For Peace", one of the outstanding dance tracks from his Paula album and a record which never had a 45 release in the US at the time the album originally came out.

In the mid-late 80s Stan Lewis and/or his son re-issued a number of records from the Jewel-Paula-Ronn labels for the sweet soul and ballad collectors market, primarily in the far east and in continental Europe. Garry Cape mentioned this here when we talked about the re-issues of the Charlie Cole Black 45 on Jewel, which at the time was relatively hard to find as an original but has subsequently become much (much!) easier to locate. I'm sure this particular Montclairs re-issue 45 was aimed at the sweet/ballad market overseas and the fact that "Hung Up On Your Love" appears on it is completely incidental to the fact that Montclairs 45s were in demand from a completely different market at the time. I don't think the UK rare soul scene was in the minds of the Lewises at all in this.

Bear in mind that at the time Hung Up had a value to UK collectors of about ten to fifteen pounds and was never particularly hard to find. It's only comparatively recently (in the last six or seven years) that you would have had to pay anything over £25 for an original of Hung Up; issue or demo. It was pressed in bulk and many, many copies made their way over to these shores as a comparatively recent release. In fact I've often thought the chance of a bulk find of the track was greater here than in the US. It's only really in the last few years that demand for an original pressing of this has finally overtaken supply and even then I feel the price is an inflated one.

As an aside this run of 'archive' Jewel/Paula/Ronn singles also included a 45rpm outing for Bobby Patterson's "Recipe For Peace", one of the outstanding dance tracks from his Paula album and a record which never had a 45 release in the US at the time the album originally came out.

Are you sure that this montclairs 45 was not aimed at a US market (who also wouldn't care about hung up on your love)? Regular people (not collectors) in the mid 80s in the US still sought out singles and these were hit records. For example, out of the past records on the west side of chicago sold all sorts of reissues and bootlegs into the 90s (e.g. represses of "the gorilla" and "elephant walk"). This particular montclairs reissue actually used to be around Out of the past in chicago. Also, the same paula label was being used for new blues and r&b records in the US and some of those buyers would be buying the montclairs.

The charlie cole black record obviously wouldn't have been aimed at a US market, though.

Are you sure that this montclairs 45 was not aimed at a US market (who also wouldn't care about hung up on your love)? Regular people (not collectors) in the mid 80s in the US still sought out singles and these were hit records. For example, out of the past records on the west side of chicago sold all sorts of reissues and bootlegs into the 90s (e.g. represses of "the gorilla" and "elephant walk"). This particular montclairs reissue actually used to be around Out of the past in chicago. Also, the same paula label was being used for new blues and r&b records in the US and some of those buyers would be buying the montclairs.

The charlie cole black record obviously wouldn't have been aimed at a US market, though.

That's entirely possible Bob. The thing which was different about the Cole Black Brown and Bobby Patterson 45s was that Garry had the entire runs shipped to him in the UK, then sold them on via his list to Japan, Holland etc and a few copies wholesale to other UK dealers. This obviously wasn't the case with The Montclairs 45, which tends to appear from US sellers on ebay. The other 45s were done at his suggestion. Maybe this one wasn't but it stems from that timeframe. The typesetting and label stock is of the same order.

Still the best song in my collection..shear magic.......

I have never, ever got bored of this track, i love it.

Ste.

Brilliant record! I have this on the UK Contempo lebel. Does anyone know if it is the same mix as the version on US Paula?

Thanks in advance, Dave

I have never, ever got bored of this track, i love it.

Ste.

I have this on the UK Contempo lebel. Does anyone know if it is the same mix as the version on US Paula?

The UK Contempo release is not the same mix as the original US Paula 45.

Anyone for a copy of thismecca classic in its 'rarest' format!

Ebay item #: 350333345430

Or

direct link to item listing: https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item51917e9e96

Seriously, is this legit or a little naughty?

I know what I think but would like your sagacious opinion and feedback

TIA

Greg.

I see youve got your answer now!! Good old Saying " If In Doubt! Do Nowt" always worked for me Greg! Thanks for info before Atb John.

Thanks Sebastian - do your know which one (if any) is superior?

Dave

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The UK Contempo release is not the same mix as the original US Paula 45.

Thanks Sebastian - do your know which one (if any) is superior?

The differences are fairly subtle (the stereo separation is wider on the UK issue for example, and it isn't mastered as "hot" as the US issue), but the Contempo issue (and the "mispressed" Paula reissue) have both got a version which is about 30 seconds longer than the original US Paula issue. Whether one version is better than the other I can't really say. Both versions are fanatstic.

Edited August 16, 201015 yr by Sebastian

Thanks again Sebastian for sharing your knowledge with me. I first heard the Montclairs (as many did) on a Charly Lp - 'Rare Soul Uncovered -Vol 1' and it was the mono mix. I never heard the US original on Paula but I assumed that it was also Mono, as so many soul 45's were/are. Years later a mate of mine played me the Contempo version and I was stunned to hear it in Stereo. That is why I bought the Contempo version, cos I considered it a better mix than the Paula release. Thanks again for clearing the matter up and adding to my knowledge.

All the best, Dave