very happy, just got this on demo in the post this morning, and notice the writing credits read : (Satin:Smith:Smith)

Obviously we all know the various versions out there, Nate Evans, James Phelps, John Edwards, Magnetics, and the brilliant but slightly different titled Implements - Look over your shoulder...

so then, Satin is almost certainly Reggie Satin, both from Chicago, I wonder if anybody can confirm that and it looks like his is the first version of this great song??

Mal.C

Edited June 9, 201113 yr by Mal.C.

it could possibly be. but james phelps and nate evans released around the same time

dave

isn't Satin lonnie Satin?

there was a lon satton .....bit part actor... made a couple of 45`sfor uk cbs in 74. one of them even had northern plays lol

dave

satin is Lennie Satin who had a 45 on FIP.

What does this track have to do with Look Over Your Shoulder?

also, for what it's worth, I've seen the sheet music for the John McKinney version (the one that got released as "the magnetics" when the magnetics are not backing him but some girls) and Johnny Dollar (who does a version on Fised) has writing credits on that. So who knows.

Don't forget the Johnny Dollar slow version

satin is Lennie Satin who had a 45 on FIP.

What does this track have to do with Look Over Your Shoulder?

I thought this might be Lennie, or Reggie.....who knows... regards implements, Listen to both of them, and you tell me...

m

I thought this might be Lennie, or Reggie.....who knows... regards implements, Listen to both of them, and you tell me...

m

I hear nothing similar in the implements track, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Who is "Reggie" Satin? I'm very interested in Chicago soul but don't know a Reggie Satin. Thanks.

I'd say at a guess, although both have different writing credits etc, they are two versions of the same song...

who is reggie satin?

I can hear a few notes on the intro of the Implements similar to Satin Mal but that's about it, nothing to compare at all really IMO.

Implements - Look Over Your Shoulder - Philips

It's always struck me as odd that there should be so many versions of an obscure song. Hits get covered all the time, but what was it about this song that encouraged so many artists & label owners to incur the expense of recording, pressing, distributing etc? I'm assuming no versions were even local hits.

the implements, great record as it is its a slightly faster version of the ojays ballad from the same year ( 1968) and is a george kerr song........... sounds nothing like satin to my ears. on one of the popsike copies copies it mentions aomething about lennie satin?

the satin 45 is from 1970/1

dave

I'd say at a guess, although both have different writing credits etc, they are two versions of the same song...

Maybe Floyd Smith was being generous with sharing the writing credits on these as it seems to be a theme on all versions?

It's always struck me as odd that there should be so many versions of an obscure song. Hits get covered all the time, but what was it about this song that encouraged so many artists & label owners to incur the expense of recording, pressing, distributing etc? I'm assuming no versions were even local hits.

I thought Apache was owned by Floyd Smith? If thats the case I can understand the James Phelps version.

He'd already written some hits for Tyrone Davis, Jackie Wilson, Betty Everette as well as other work at Brunswick, so he was a bit of a local writing tallent. As John Edward's Weis output was Chicago based, there could have been an expectation that a Floyd Smith song would do the business on the major label and was this the same view of the other artists and labels?

But this may be just my hypothasis and i've ended up talking a load of trash......

Edited June 10, 201113 yr by John Reed

the implements is actually the first version of "look over", before the o'jays. The o'jays made it a hit though.

i agree there's a vague similarity to "look on your face" but not much else.

I think floyd smith shopped his song around to different people. It's likely the satin version was first because floyd took a lot of talent from Gary, IN and Lennie Satin was from there I think.

WHO IS REGGIE SATIN?

the implements is actually the first version of "look over", before the o'jays. The o'jays made it a hit though.

i agree there's a vague similarity to "look on your face" but not much else.

I think floyd smith shopped his song around to different people. It's likely the satin version was first because floyd took a lot of talent from Gary, IN and Lennie Satin was from there I think.

WHO IS REGGIE SATIN?

Dunno, never heard of him...