If Sebastian is reading this, or if anybody else would like to oblige, can you tell me if red and white Demos on the early Volt label design are unusual or common? Red and black Demos yes, but what about red and white ones?

Less usual Dennis, I've got pretty much all the Volt stuff and I have a few of these. Steve

PS: When are we all meeting up again?

Less usual Dennis, I've got pretty much all the Volt stuff and I have a few of these. Steve

PS: When are we all meeting up again?

Is that red on white background or white on red background? I can't remember now which way round mine is?

As for when we're meeting up again. Errr, can't remember now? I don't think we fixed a date?

Less usual Dennis, I've got pretty much all the Volt stuff and I have a few of these. Steve

Be interested to know what the earliest one of these is that you have is, Steve.

Like you I have a few, but nothing earlier than The Mad lads 'Patch My Heart' which is Volt 139.

Can you beat that?

Any chance of a label scan of one of these red and white demos, if only for my fading memory but it may also benefit others.

Be interested to know what the earliest one of these is that you have is, Steve.

Like you I have a few, but nothing earlier than The Mad lads 'Patch My Heart' which is Volt 139.

Can you beat that?

Now checked.....The only one I have is 143 which is another Mad Lads 45. Everything else on my racks is either Black / Red or Black White.

Steve

Edited June 26, 201212 yr by Steve G

Yes, my one and only red and white Volt demo is the Mad Lads but can't remember which one?

Unless Tone can show us otherwise, perhaps it's the only one after all?

Let me know Ste if we DO have a date fixed for our next drinkie poos.

I only have Black & White DEMOs around that number.

Here's 144, 145 & 148

The plot thickens?

never seen a red/white demo that i can remember. would be interested in a pic.

Edited June 26, 201212 yr by Kris Holmes

Yes, my one and only red and white Volt demo is the Mad Lads but can't remember which one?

Unless Tone can show us otherwise, perhaps it's the only one after all?

I definitely have a Charmels on R & W demo - it's either 'Please Uncle Sam' or 'Loving Material'.

Trouble is, it's buried somewhere in the 'mess' that was once a well-organised and easily-accessed collection. I looked for it the other week to show it in the Complete Charmels/Jeanne and the Darlings CD that I just put together for Kent (out at the end of July, 29 tracks including 7 previously unissued, nearly 80 minutes playing time, fantastic stuff, sales pitch over...) and I couldn't put my hands on it then. If it pitches up when I'm next trawling, I'll scan it and put the scan up here.

I think - and I only think, I couldn't be 100% certain - that I've also seen (but don't own) Otis Redding's 'Glory Of Love' on a R&W...

Edited June 27, 201212 yr by TONY ROUNCE

Slightly off topic, and mentioning the Charmels, where does this demo fit in?

Ooo err -nice variation. West Coast?

Ooo err -nice variation. West Coast?

No, the red and whites are west coast (Monarch pressed), or at least the ones that I have are - this one is from, I think, somewhere up north (NB not Manchester or Wigan...)

Fortunately I work with the world's greatest expert on pressing plants used by Atlantic. If he hasn't gone to Wimbledon today I'll ask him for details when I get into Ace later on...

Shame I didn't have that variation toshow in the Complete Charmels/Jeanne and the Darlings CD that I just put together for Kent (out at the end of July, 29 tracks including 7 previously unissued, nearly 80 minutes playing time, fantastic stuff, blah blah blah, sales pitch over again...)

That Charmels of John's is pressed at ARP in Michigan. One of the few Volt titles pressed there.

That Charmels of John's is pressed at ARP in Michigan. One of the few Volt titles pressed there.

Cheers, Gareth, saved me waiting till my colleague is next in. Atlantic used ARP a fair bit in 1967, I have several Atlantic stockers and demos with an AM suffix from that year as well as a handful of stock Stax 45s that were pressed there e.g. Eddie Floyd 'Down Ta My House', Rufus Thomas 'Greasy Spoon' (I think), William Bell 'Eloise', and possibly others that i can't remember without pulling 'em off the shelves and having a butcher's...

Edited June 27, 201212 yr by TONY ROUNCE

There are some exhaustive threads on Atlantic's mastering and pressing practices on the Steve Hoffman forum. Some of the expertise there, particularly from William Brown, is mind-blowing.

No, the red and whites are west coast (Monarch pressed), or at least the ones that I have are - this one is from, I think, somewhere up north (NB not Manchester or Wigan...)

Am going to have to check again Tony as I thought my R&W was vinyl....will let everyone know laters.

Am going to have to check again Tony as I thought my R&W was vinyl....will let everyone know laters.

monarch did press both styrene and vinyl.

monarch did press both styrene and vinyl.

Cheers mine is West Coast - delta 65063.

So have we established whether there are more than 2 of the red US ones, beyond the two we've already identified?

To be honest personally am more interested in the red US presses rather than Jamaica, Bahamas, Trinidad or anywhere else.

So have we established whether there are more than 2 of the red US ones, beyond the two we've already identified?

To be honest personally am more interested in the red US presses rather than Jamaica, Bahamas, Trinidad or anywhere else.

Me too Ste BUT, acknowledgement of the 'others' helps the less well informed, like my good self, realise what it is that they might have. Don't you think?

Btw, what were the two 'established' red US presses? Sorry for being so lazy.

2 x Mad Lads.

I think Tony Rounce also thought he had a R&W Charmels. Presumably "Please Uncle Sam"?

See you tomorrow.

2 x Mad Lads.

I think Tony Rounce also thought he had a R&W Charmels. Presumably "Please Uncle Sam"?

See you tomorrow.

Which ones?

Read the thread Denbo, what did yer last servant die of :lol:

Read the thread Denbo, what did yer last servant die of :lol:

Boredom.

Mad Lads Volt 139 and 143?

would still love to see a pic of one of these r/w mad lads demos.....

Hi Kris,

If no one else obliges will post one up at the weekend when I get a mo. Steve

TOPIC SPLIT - CONTENT MERGED WITH >>> <<<

U.S. VOLT DEMOS Continues

Right, here's a red and white US Volt as promised.

Edited July 29, 201212 yr by Steve G

Right, here's a red and white US Volt as promised.

far out, looks so weird!!

far out, looks so weird!!

Which is one of the reasons I started the thread in the first place.

I notice that the VOLT 143 RED / WHITE has VLT-11419-MO and as already mentioned a MONARCH press.

Was it MONARCH that decided to have a Coloured DEMO rather than Black / White.

It does happen with other labels where the WEST COAST MONARCH is coloured.

Some MONARCH DEMOs are incredibly hard to find like the GORDY DEMOs.

They are out there but finding them is Virtually Impossible.

VLT-12034-BW

VLT-12034-PL

This DEMO has just arrived, got me wondering.

...the one at the top is very interesting, Rog'. Consenus here in the office is that nobody has ever seen a Bestway-pressed Stax or Volt single before...

Thanks TONY, I do collect Label Variations as you know.

That will be another pressing plant then regarding THE CHARMELS Posted Earlier.

VOLT 155 - THE CHARMELS

VLT-13475AM

That red'n'white demo is very cool

No other reason for posting the Colette Kelly other than it is such a great track

What's the story with this 4 track 7"?

I have a red-and-white Bobby Wilson somewhere. Has that been mentioned? This thread is confusing.

The suggestion is that your Bobby Wilson Red / White VOLT DEMO (if it is from U.S.A.) Should be a Styrene Monarch Press with a Delta Number in the Deadwax.

What's the story with this 4 track 7"?

weird, would expect the later era volt sleeve to be a mismatch & that it should have had a picture sleeve originally? Most of the other Stax jukebox EP's I've seen had small spindle holes. I've had the Dock Of The Bay EP but it's different to the one you posted.

What's the story with this 4 track 7"?

this is a Canadian juke box single, it came with a really flimsy paper sleeve. Does anybody have a list of the mini juke box albums released in the US? I have a few but would love to find some more

this is a Canadian juke box single, it came with a really flimsy paper sleeve. Does anybody have a list of the mini juke box albums released in the US? I have a few but would love to find some more

ah, hadn't thought of the canadian option.....

That red'n'white demo is very cool

No other reason for posting the Colette Kelly other than it is such a great track

Was just reading up this thread [ I know it's 3 years old, it's a slow day ! ], and realised this demo is black and white, and I have a blue and white copy, without the  ' promotional copy not for sale ' words, but has the same ' plug side ' words on the ' long and lonely world ' side. I know this is obvious to someone on here, but be great if someone could explain.....or refer me to a previous thread ?

Many thanks

pete

Was just reading up this thread [ I know it's 3 years old, it's a slow day ! ], and realised this demo is black and white, and I have a blue and white copy, without the  ' promotional copy not for sale ' words, but has the same ' plug side ' words on the ' long and lonely world ' side. I know this is obvious to someone on here, but be great if someone could explain.....or refer me to a previous thread ?

Many thanks

pete

Sometimes there wasn't a uniform template so different pressing plants had different designs.  Regarding the "Plug Side", "Long And Lonely World" was the official A-Side.  If you look at the plate number LALW is VO-0189-PL whereas City Of Fools is VO-0190-PL

The suggestion is that your Bobby Wilson Red / White VOLT DEMO (if it is from U.S.A.) Should be a Styrene Monarch Press with a Delta Number in the Deadwax.

Just adding to Information from 3 Years ago. Here are the scans as I have since found a copy for my collection.

It is the next number on from The Mad Lads Red & White pictured earlier in the thread.

By no means an easy find are these Red & White DEMOs.

 

wow, that Bobby Wilson is the business on red / white...