Any original acetates of this? Also, how many different versions? (not counting the sped up version)

Edited May 21, 201410 yr by thomas96

At least one original acetate in this country, there is certainly another although where it is I dunno.  There is at least 5 takes I think. 

The fast version is a recording of the slow one on a dodgy tape recorder.

was told recently Richard searling had one.....theres a good alt mix being sold at the moment on fb etc

was told recently Richard searling had one.....theres a good alt mix being sold at the moment on fb etc

Heard say that that copy was the 'First' lay of the track and it was played with a little until its final official release. But as Abraham Lincoln once said 'You can't believe everything you see on the Internet'

Edited May 21, 201410 yr by Tezza

I saw 2 of them in The Motown Vaults.  We taped the better one, which was taped off me and taken to The UK in 1981 by Rod S.  Somehow, the OTHER one ended up in The UK, and is now the preferred NS cut, or the only version known by most, and the only one on video on The internet.  no accounting for taste.

There is a scan on here and tht is the one Searling has or had, it isn't the take played during the 80's. 

 

I doubt were was one track and then played with a little as the takes are so different, one is even a different lead, one has wah wah guitar or something like with a early 70's feel about it.

Which one is the 1999 Originals Best Of Version? I think it is very similar to the commonly known and played version, but maybe with a different vocal.

How much would one of these discs be worth?

I have an acetate of the version RS played, it did come from him via a friend, different from the other 4 versions i have on vinyl that have come out over the years.

 

got no way of recording it at the moment, did show it & played it to Simon Hunt at Skeggy.

 

Backing singers are lower then other versions too

 

Ian.

Which one is the 1999 Originals Best Of Version? I think it is very similar to the commonly known and played version, but maybe with a different vocal.

How much would one of these discs be worth?

 

That one I am sure is the same as the one Robb K recorded that was first played here.  The other similar version is the one RS has I think, i'd have to listen and compare but that could also be the speeded up version that was booted.  Then there is the one Chris King put on CD with different lead and slower.

I have an acetate of the version RS played, it did come from him via a friend, different from the other 4 versions i have on vinyl that have come out over the years.

 

got no way of recording it at the moment, did show it & played it to Simon Hunt at Skeggy.

 

Backing singers are lower then other versions too

 

Ian.

 

This is Richards I think.  It is one one JM auctioned, not sure if it went to Gary Fields at one time?

 

This is Richards I think.  It is one one JM auctioned, not sure if it went to Gary Fields at one time?

 

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You know how much it went for at that auction?

No sorry.  Andy Rix might be able to add more or correct anything I said that isn't correct. 

 

You know how much it went for at that auction?

The acetate with our "From The Vaults" selected version, was a normal 7 inch cream-coloured label, which was a normal Jobete Music acetate, with the title in red typed letters, "Jobete Music Co," in black typed letters, and no artist listed.  I believe that that acetate was auctioned off in the 1989-90 auctions, and ended up in England, as well.

Edited May 21, 201410 yr by RobbK

Jobete Music actate, with the title in red tyoed letters,

Baby have mercy on me ?

Baby have mercy on me ?

Not sure if it had "Baby Have Mercy On Me" on the other side, or just "Suspicion" on one side.  I DO remember seeing "Baby Have Mercy On Me" on a Jobete Music acetate, but don't remember if it was on a 2-sided or one-sided acetate.

This is Richards I think.  It is one one JM auctioned, not sure if it went to Gary Fields at one time?

 

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hi chalky,  thats the one that gary field got off manship, then sold  to searling, he bought it straight from manship to my house (along with probabally the 4th or 5th (at the time,) known copy of robby lawson) because he didnt have a record player,  suspicion was a 10in acetate, both records resided at my house for a couple of months before he sold them on, this would have been around 1992 ish, suspicion went to searling for £1000 and robby lawson went to steve chadwick for around the same figure

were any of them made by the national sound corporation in Detroit ??

hi chalky,  thats the one that gary field got off manship, then sold  to searling, he bought it straight from manship to my house (along with probabally the 4th or 5th (at the time,) known copy of robby lawson) because he didnt have a record player,  suspicion was a 10in acetate, both records resided at my house for a couple of months before he sold them on, this would have been around 1992 ish, suspicion went to searling for £1000 and robby lawson went to steve chadwick for around the same figure

And prior to that around 82/83 I'd cut him a copy off the tapes with I think "Love starved heart" on B so he may have played that too.

 

ROD

were any of them made by the national sound corporation in Detroit ??

Didn't National Sound Corp. (of Detroit) start up operation in the mid to late 1970s?  I seem to remember that Ron Murphy used them for his own -, later projects, but that any '60s Motown acetates and demo copies made there would have to have been made by non-Motown people (apparently at the behest of NS people).  i don't believe Motown would have cut any there in the late 1970s for their "From The Vaults" project, or for their subsequent early '80s oldies LPs, or the Motown 25th Anniversary LP projects.

 

I believe we discussed that last issue on our previous "Motown Acetates" thread, in which we posted label scans of acetates and recording studio demos.  National wasn't listed on Soulful Detroit's list of 1960s recording studios and wasn't on their map.  I don't remember seeing any 1960s Motown cuts on demos from that studio in The Motown vaults, nor any official Motown documents or any demo that had proof that it was an official Motown project to make that demo.  further, I don't remember seeing any other Detroit Soul label during the 1960s having any demos made by national.  The only demos of '60s Soul cuts I've seen made by National seem to be  NS-related (e,g, made in the late 1970s or 1980s by Detroiters to sell to Brits, or made by Brits while they were visiting Detroit, to get previously unreleased cuts on plastic, to have "physical records" to be used by them as DJs on The Northern Scene in the UK, or to be sold to DJs for NS play.

Edited May 24, 201410 yr by RobbK

Is the version that rob moss put out resantly  different to any of those mentioned ?

I think this is the original version played on this scene, the one that came from Robb, hopefully he will confirm.

 

Yes.  This is the version Rod taped from me.

I think this is the original version played on this scene, the one that came from Robb, hopefully he will confirm.

 

 

But this isn't the one that is the preferred Northern track? In my opinion, this version is certainly the best version. 

But this isn't the one that is the preferred Northern track? In my opinion, this version is certainly the best version. 

 

 

It's preferred by me.  I didn't realise there was a preferred one, doubt many would realise which was which when the needle hits the disc at 3am.

Edited May 24, 201410 yr by chalky

Not a lot of difference really, like I said I doubt most would tell in the middle of an all-nighter.

 

And it's CP Spencer on lead vocal, isn't it ?

Yes.  Perhaps because he wasn't the normal lead of the group, was the reason this song wasn't released.  The whole vocal delivery in this version is "sticky" and a little "jerky-(less fluid).  And the instrumental is different, including the sax.  It's less "punchy" and I like the vocal much less.  To me, he other version is MUCH "tighter".  

 

This again proves that Northern Soul is mainly about the dance beat, and my taste is about a blended overall compsosition of the vocal and instrumental performances AND the songwriting melody and song structure (lyrics no effect whatsoever).

There is also the straight 60's take that was on the CD Chris King did, slower and a different lead, Freddie Gorman possibly?  I couldn't see a clip on YT. 

There is also the straight 60's take that was on the CD Chris King did, slower and a different lead, Freddie Gorman possibly?  I couldn't see a clip on YT. 

 

nope forget that, not the one.....

were any of them made by the national sound corporation in Detroit ??

I now know for sure, thanks to Keith Hughes, that National Sound Corp. started up operations in 1989.  Therefore, any demo records or acetates from them could NOT be an original, ordered by Motown personnel.  So, such a record would need to be considered a bootleg.  

I now know for sure, thanks to Keith Hughes, that National Sound Corp. started up operations in 1989.  Therefore, any demo records or acetates from them could NOT be an original, ordered by Motown personnel.  So, such a record would need to be considered a bootleg.  

 

 

https://testpressing.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/more-cutting-room-heroes/

 

Plenty of other links to Ron and the NSC if you google NSC.