personally, funk doesn't do it for me. i've tried to like it, i've even been down to keb darge's funk nights in london, and the records i like are usually the odd northern ones he throws in. also heard him play in nottm and the best record all night was frankie beverly and the butlers imo.

so what you think? any funk lovers?

as a side issue - i'm thinking of doing some fu*k funk! t-shirts. do people think they would be a bit negative? would people buy them?

cheers.

personally, funk doesn't do it for me. i've tried to like it, i've even been down to keb darge's funk nights in london, and the records i like are usually the odd northern ones he throws in. also heard him play in nottm and the best record all night was frankie beverly and the butlers imo.

so what you think? any funk lovers?

as a side issue - i'm thinking of doing some fu*k funk! t-shirts. do people think they would be a bit negative? would people buy them?

cheers.

Funk is where i discovered a love of soul music full stop, my liking for northern came about a couple of years later, even now, i am as happy going to all nighters as well as any good jazz funk night,I think it is about time people stopped catergorising and just enjoy good black music for what it is, and no i wouldn't buy that t-shirt,because if you asked me how i would describe myself, a soul fan who leans more towards northern,Del x

I love abit of the early funk, but some of it can be too disco for my liking, funk was a natural progression from the R&B in the early sixties, disco was the progression from funk in the mid-late seventys.

Going to a Funk allnighter next week should be a good un

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=30493

personally, funk doesn't do it for me. i've tried to like it, i've even been down to keb darge's funk nights in london, and the records i like are usually the odd northern ones he throws in. also heard him play in nottm and the best record all night was frankie beverly and the butlers imo.

so what you think? any funk lovers?

as a side issue - i'm thinking of doing some fu*k funk! t-shirts. do people think they would be a bit negative? would people buy them?

cheers.

I used to like it and even collected it for a while but really got a bit bored, thought it was all a bit emperor's new clothes, and the people who are into it are unspeakably awful. Have you ever met any of them?

As in most musical genres there are some quite tasty pieces but ultimately I get bored after about an hour max (which is good, last year it was about half an hour). Hearing some of the mega rareties (which get reissued) it makes me think, some of the equally rare northern records that I like must sound like absolute rubbish to people who don't like the genre, no wonder my non northern liking mates look so bored when I'm playing them stuff.

I love funk !

But any funk night that plays non-stop funk will get boring. Gotta have a change of pace now and then.

Love it!!

I love funk !

But any funk night that plays non-stop funk will get boring. Gotta have a change of pace now and then.

Too right, most funk nights play a wide range, even a fair bit of R&B

Love Funk too, i was well into my funk before i knew what northern soul was..think it was a progression..still collect funk Lp's and the odd 45...

Keep the Funk!

It's sh*t

It's sh*t

or too 'black' for you pete, Del xx

I love abit of the early funk, but some of it can be too disco for my liking, funk was a natural progression from the R&B in the early sixties, disco was the progression from funk in the mid-late seventys.

Going to a Funk allnighter next week should be a good un

Is that in Northants? Delx

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=30493

Love a bit of Jazz funk too....

Can't beat watching a good dancer do there stuff. Gavin Page can still leap like a gazelle (albeit one that looks like he's swallowed a hippo (sorry Gav luv ya really))

I like funk, but those who say you can have too much are right. After half an hour of the early and instrumental stuff like Salt or Gaturs i thought i was in a 70s porn movie...

Is that in Northants? Delx

Yeah its in Melchborne, just past Yielden, its actually classed as Bedfordshire, but its about ten mins from me (Rushden)

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better get the tickets quick if you want to go

Yeah its in Melchborne, just past Yielden, its actually classed as Bedfordshire, but its about ten mins from me (Rushden)

CLICK HERE FOR MULTI MAP

better get the tickets quick if you want to go

Thanks babes sounds really interesting, Delxx

Thanks babes sounds really interesting, Delxx

Last year was brilliant

More info here Del

https://www.daddyvinyl.com/summerdo.htm

It's sh*t

You put things so bluntly Pete......i like it

Now why do you think its sh*te, i think most of it is quite good, in the right enviroment

Last year was brilliant

More info here Del

https://www.daddyvinyl.com/summerdo.htm

just a quick glance at the info, looks abso brill, all my fave genres are there, jazz funk, latin funk etc, notice that the road out of Rushden goes past Souldrop, which use to host the Castaways soul nights in the 80s,that use to be a good night, will see if we can get out there,and remember, boogie down with your baad self Baz,Del xx

ANYONE IN DOUBT LISTEN TO CROSS BRONX EXSPRESSWAY DOES IT FOR ME ALL THE TIME,MIGHT BE OLD HAT NOW BUT IT SURE DO LIFT THE SPIRITS!

BAZ A.

well, judging by that bit of 'market research' i'm more likely to sell a 'funk soul brother' t-shirt than a 'fu*k funk' one, though if i'm honest, i would deffo wear the latter and not the former! funk - well..................it may as well be heavy metal as far as i'm concerned. all the things i love about soul are just not THERE in funk. and i love 70s/modern soul too, and 80s and 90s, i even don't mind a bit of disco (brainstorm anyone?), but funk? it's a major turn off for me!! it's just wrong!! or maybe i'm wrong - but i just don't get the music.

i know that the 'now' listeners like a bit of latin, jazz, funk and the lot, and i'm 100% delighted that northern (and modern) get included in that - but it's Soul for me, with a capital 'S'. and funk, sorry, just don't like it.

What type of funk ?

personally, funk doesn't do it for me. i've tried to like it, i've even been down to keb darge's funk nights in london, and the records i like are usually the odd northern ones he throws in. also heard him play in nottm and the best record all night was frankie beverly and the butlers imo.

so what you think? any funk lovers?

as a side issue - i'm thinking of doing some fu*k funk! t-shirts. do people think they would be a bit negative? would people buy them?

cheers.

'Funk' in the states I believe is more of a scene these days that plays funk (obviously), but also rare soul, r+b, modern, etc.. from a perspective of people who grew up w/ funk based (hip hop, etc) music's. 'Northern' soul tracks may even be played, but only if they have the right rhythmic sense to them (ex.'running back and forth' Edwin Starr OK, 'if this is love (id rather be lonely) Precisions NOT OK).

Unless people are walking into the room w/ the idea in their heads that they are "into" rare/northern soul in the USA (neo mods/subcultural enthusiasts) they are not very likely to dance to a four on the floor 'northern' type beat. I've always maintained that my generation requires a little bit of syncopation to get them dancing.

All this being said, I like any type of good black music (including hip hop/doo wop) personally. I'm just talking about the crowds/scene.

...and the people who are into it are unspeakably awful. Have you ever met any of them?

Captain Unspeakably Awful reporting for duty, Saahhh!

Funk is probably as a broad a church as Northern Soul. Personally, I find it odd that loads of people on the Northern scene will listen to really lame post-disco stuff quite happily, but have no time for a rough and ready, hard hitting piece of 60s funk.

As much as I love Northern Soul, I think a lot the devotees can be a bit closed minded . At the funk night I ran for two years you could drop a 60s Northern track between a couple of slabs of funk with no detriment to the dancefloor. Try to drop an out and out heavy funk track at a Northern do and you'd clear the floor.

Godz

Edited July 20, 200618 yr by Godzilla

good post lotusland.

you mention beats - and for me - it's like the opposite of what you said re your local crowds. funk is a trun off for me - but i'm willing to be ejucated

funk is a skunk - soul is the goal

Well, we are all products of our localities in a way. We, as DJs/promoters/etc, also probably have more of an influence on them than most.

People in my parts would've never heard ANY northern tracks if it wasnt being played by the funk guys first. Its not like the DnB/hip hop/Trance djs were gonna play it. Anyways..

Here's a list of heavy funk pieces that ANYBODY into real soul of any variety could appreciate.

1) Herman Hitson - Aint No Other Way (Sweet Rose) of course the other side is known by soulies

2) Markus Kelly + Impassions - Pushin to the Top (White Eagle)

3) Little Beaver - Do Right Man (Saadia) funk/r+b/deep whatever you wanna call it, its the shit.

4) Ray Frazier and the Shades of Madness - Gonna Get Your Love (Chess)

5) Robert Moore - Can't Help Myself (Saadia)

6) Sisters Love - Give Me Your Love (MoWest)

7) Fabulous Souls - Take Me

8) Nathan Bartell - Top Going Up, Bottom Going Down (Soul Potion)

9) Little Jimmy Tyson + Highway Robbers - Who Will Be the Next Fool?

10) Gene Chandler - There was a time ** the one we can ALL agree on!

funk is a skunk - soul is the goal

Like others i got into funk before Northern Soul. And like others I have got alot of time for both. I do prefer the early funk (late 60's very early seventies) because its still got that rawness....the 70's funkadelic george clinton sort of stuff is a bit boring IMHO.

The ultimate funk track for me has got to be Detroit City Limits - Ninety Eight Cents Plus Tax. This is what i call funk, even though some may call it R&B........I dont know what it is but it sure is funky........

I like funk, but those who say you can have too much are right. After half an hour of the early and instrumental stuff like Salt or Gaturs i thought i was in a 70s porn movie...

Time to quote Jacqui Bicknell again methinks .. "Nothing else grips yer heart like soul music does".

or too 'black' for you pete, Del xx

What's that supposed to mean Del, seeing as a good 70% of all my records are by Jamaicans?

What's that supposed to mean Del, seeing as a good 70% of all my records are by Jamaicans?

youre turning into the pete lawson of the midlands mate

What's that supposed to mean Del, seeing as a good 70% of all my records are by Jamaicans?

Pete, what i quipped was very tongue in cheek babe,no malice meant, i know your music taste away from northern sweetie, Delxx

Time to quote Jacqui Bicknell again methinks .. "Nothing else grips yer heart like soul music does".

I'd rather quote myself:

"Nothing tickles your balls like funk music does"

I'd rather quote myself:

"Nothing tickles your balls like funk music does"

touch

& speak for yerself (right on) ducky! ..

As an expressive description;

Soul Music and or Northern Soul Music.

Funk.

Funk Music ..

As an expressive description;

Funk Music ..

I hate to say it but; you're right

I love good music - especially when its got Soul!

Soul is found in all aspects of Black music, but equally its also lacking in a lot of Black music.

I love R&B and SKA because its naughty - Its saying one thing and meaning another with the rhythm of pure SEX PRIMATIVE and NATURAL!

I love a lot of sixties Soul because its full of hope - a better world.

However I LOVE FUNK because it took the Rawness and Rhythm of R&B (via Boogaloo), but introduced the politics that followed the realisation of the sixties false hope. It dealt with a lot of issues directly and I know lots shy away from it for that very reason. In doing so its lineage is much truer to R&B than sixties soul - although it undoubtedly grew from legacy of sixties Soul.

I think its easier to understand if introduced at a younger age, because its focus was young when made.

There is a very real distinction between people who love SOUL music and people who love NORTHERN SOUL music.

James Brown `there was a time` I would consider funky.The Gene Chandler version is 1oo% northern soul in my opinion.

James Brown `there was a time` I would consider funky.The Gene Chandler version is 1oo% northern soul in my opinion.

Gene Chandler's is syncopated enough for 'funk' spins. It gets played in both scenes. That's about all you can say .

I love good music - especially when its got Soul!

Soul is found in all aspects of Black music, but equally its also lacking in a lot of Black music.

I love R&B and SKA because its naughty - Its saying one thing and meaning another with the rhythm of pure SEX PRIMATIVE and NATURAL!

I love a lot of sixties Soul because its full of hope - a better world.

However I LOVE FUNK because it took the Rawness and Rhythm of R&B (via Boogaloo), but introduced the politics that followed the realisation of the sixties false hope. It dealt with a lot of issues directly and I know lots shy away from it for that very reason. In doing so its lineage is much truer to R&B than sixties soul - although it undoubtedly grew from legacy of sixties Soul.

I think its easier to understand if introduced at a younger age, because its focus was young when made.

There is a very real distinction between people who love SOUL music and people who love NORTHERN SOUL music.

Well impressed with that mate ... Until I got to the last line ...

As much as I love Northern Soul, I think a lot the devotees can be a bit closed minded . At the funk night I ran for two years you could drop a 60s Northern track between a couple of slabs of funk with no detriment to the dancefloor. Try to drop an out and out heavy funk track at a Northern do and you'd clear the floor.

Godz

but godz, correct me if i'm wrong, it's just a theory: the funk scene will listen to anything because, basically, they're drifting from one fad to another. actually, there is no funk scene. there are people who like it, sure, and some collectors, but the rest are just tourists. the whole thing is dwarfred by northern/rare soul.

so today they're into funk, yesterday it was rare groove, the day before that it was acid jazz, before that modern jazz, tomorrow something else.

i'm not knocking them - nice to be happy just to dance to stuff. but i think that necessarily implies a superficiality which is harder to find on the northern scene.

as for the main question, i like most forms of music to a greater or lesser degree but funk i just can't get on with personally. i find it too souless, for want of a better word.

but godz, correct me if i'm wrong, it's just a theory: the funk scene will listen to anything because, basically, they're drifting from one fad to another. actually, there is no funk scene. there are people who like it, sure, and some collectors, but the rest are just tourists. the whole thing is dwarfred by northern/rare soul.

so today they're into funk, yesterday it was rare groove, the day before that it was acid jazz, before that modern jazz, tomorrow something else.

i'm not knocking them - nice to be happy just to dance to stuff. but i think that necessarily implies a superficiality which is harder to find on the northern scene.

Its true to say that there is no scene and its also true that the people who are associated with funk do drift between most styles of black music. However most of the people collecting are from a different generation - One that's far more open to music (the ones that are collecting - rather than generalising on a generation) and one that didn't develop when youth culture shaped you're ears. They are looking across all styles and listening. What gets taken out, is what they think is the best(sounds like the wheel or scene club to me). I'd say that implies they are simply looking for good music! How that can be regarded as superficial is beyond me.

as for the main question, i like most forms of music to a greater or lesser degree but funk i just can't get on with personally. i find it too souless, for want of a better word.

What the hell is Soul ????????????????????????????????????????????

but godz, correct me if i'm wrong, it's just a theory: the funk scene will listen to anything because, basically, they're drifting from one fad to another. actually, there is no funk scene. there are people who like it, sure, and some collectors, but the rest are just tourists. the whole thing is dwarfred by northern/rare soul.

so today they're into funk, yesterday it was rare groove, the day before that it was acid jazz, before that modern jazz, tomorrow something else.

i'm not knocking them - nice to be happy just to dance to stuff. but i think that necessarily implies a superficiality which is harder to find on the northern scene.

as for the main question, i like most forms of music to a greater or lesser degree but funk i just can't get on with personally. i find it too souless, for want of a better word.

I thought the question was about the genre of music rather than a scene, but since you've mentioned it, I think its a bit unfair to say "they will listen to anything because they're drifting etc"

The funk events I've attended in the last few years are smaller and fewer than the vast amounts of northern events available. Nevertheless they attract their regular followers and while the music is diverse, from Detroit to Afro to Latin to ska even, it all has a common element to my ears.

As Godz suggested, I think funk fans are more broad-minded than most soulies and at the events Baz has mentioned 30-40% of the music could fit into a northern/R&B night... IMHO of course

It's a thin line between a lot of R&B and early funk.

Well impressed with that mate ... Until I got to the last line ...

Simsy, I'm just saying that The Northern Scene hasn't always played pure soulful music - You know JUST PURE SOUL.

Although undoubtedly Northern and the dealers on the scene, have been by far the biggest influence on the widespread enjoyment of all the best Vintage Black American music ever made!

Edited July 20, 200618 yr by simonb

As Godz suggested, I think funk fans are more broad-minded than most soulies and at the events Baz has mentioned 30-40% of the music could fit into a northern/R&B night... IMHO of course

It's a thin line between a lot of R&B and early funk.

Agree with you here Dave, Full Fat attracts a very diverse crowd they just love to dance, be it northern or funk,

Hope to see you at the summer do next week

Simsy, I'm just saying that The Northern Scene hasn't always played pure soulful music - You know JUST PURE SOUL.

Although undoubtedly Northern and the dealers on the scene, have been by far the biggest influence on the widespread enjoyment of all the best Vintage Black American music ever made!

Though I know what you mean. I think.

Night.

Funk makes me think of James Brown but i love a track - Jimmie Bo Horne - don't worry about it which is classic funk. Or Wild Cherry

Funk makes me think of James Brown but i love a track - Jimmie Bo Horne - don't worry about it which is classic funk. Or Wild Cherry

finally, the fluxists respond!

I wasn't going to respond to this thread, it's a bit stupid with people like Pete Smith saying "funk is shit". Like me saying I don't like the way Watford play football, therefor football is shite. But I'm a bit bored...

Convince me this would not work on the 'northern scene' and it's not soulful and I will never step foot in an allnighter ever again.

And do you not think this is soulful, danceable and would work at a 'northern soul' event? If not, why not.

Daft.

Edited July 21, 200618 yr by James Trouble

I must admit that I'm partial to a bit of Funk.....Jazz also....there's tons of good stuff out there and what some people call 'Funk' these days is what we all used to dance to at nighters back in the day. Funkier stuff like:

New York Port Authority

The Crow

Black Nasty

Willi J & Co

Rimshots

you know you love it!....."Do what you feel"

Do_What_You_Feel.mp3

I must admit that I'm partial to a bit of Funk.....Jazz also....there's tons of good stuff out there and what some people call 'Funk' these days is what we all used to dance to at nighters back in the day. Funkier stuff like:

New York Port Authority

The Crow

Black Nasty

Willi J & Co

Rimshots

you know you love it!....."Do what you feel"

Its true to say that there is no scene and its also true that the people who are associated with funk do drift between most styles of black music. However most of the people collecting are from a different generation - One that's far more open to music (the ones that are collecting - rather than generalising on a generation) and one that didn't develop when youth culture shaped you're ears. They are looking across all styles and listening. What gets taken out, is what they think is the best(sounds like the wheel or scene club to me). I'd say that implies they are simply looking for good music! How that can be regarded as superficial is beyond me.

bit of a late night post by me so maybe not expressed particularly well. sorry. wasn't having a go at funk fans, just saying that they are less committed than northern fans (and i'm not saying that's a bad thing either, making no judgment at all. additionally, there must be exceptions to the rule). virtually everyone is less committed than hardcore northern fans, after all (not saying i'm one of those either).

by superficial, i meant just that: that their interest in the music, generally, is likely to be a passing thing rather than a 30 year obsession. again, i know that sounds like i'm being critical but i'm not.

re the last bit, asking what is soul in response to why i think funk is souless, obviously a very difficult question. to me, it sounds like german electro music in the sense that i almost think it's music by numbers, which could be created by machines. i know it's not, i know there are a lot of funk tracks which border on soul, i'm on about the generality of it. there's just something missing, an x factor, which good sixties and seventies soul music has for me. but it's all personal opinions and i respect those who love their funk obviously.

bit of a late night post by me so maybe not expressed particularly well. sorry. wasn't having a go at funk fans, just saying that they are less committed than northern fans (and i'm not saying that's a bad thing either, making no judgment at all. additionally, there must be exceptions to the rule). virtually everyone is less committed than hardcore northern fans, after all (not saying i'm one of those either).

by superficial, i meant just that: that their interest in the music, generally, is likely to be a passing thing rather than a 30 year obsession. again, i know that sounds like i'm being critical but i'm not.

re the last bit, asking what is soul in response to why i think funk is souless, obviously a very difficult question. to me, it sounds like german electro music in the sense that i almost think it's music by numbers, which could be created by machines. i know it's not, i know there are a lot of funk tracks which border on soul, i'm on about the generality of it. there's just something missing, an x factor, which good sixties and seventies soul music has for me. but it's all personal opinions and i respect those who love their funk obviously.

Dan, that is perhaps the most ridiculous and certainly the most bizaar post I've ever seen on this site. WOW!

Dan, that is perhaps the most ridiculous and certainly the most bizaar post I've ever seen on this site. WOW!

well, we all have our opinions.

you seem to be saying the fact that i hold a different opinion from you is ridiculous and bizarre? actually, you know what, you're right. sorry. i now realise everything you say is bang on. if you set up a commune, i'll be there.

your opinion is that funk is worth listening to. mine is that it isn't (and i've heard a lot of it over the years. not as much as you, because i'd go mad and start eating the carpet if i listened to it as much as you. come to think of it... ).

to you it sounds vibrant, full of energy and fresh. to me it sounds sterile, boring and repetitive (with the accent on repetitive).

i would literally much rather listen to bon scott era ac/dc. how's that?

i think you have to accept my ears are different to yours.

as for the rest of my post, i hardly think the suggestion that funk fans drift in and out of their music is controversial. you might not, but give it time. come back when you're 50.

we've seen these funk nights spring up in every university town, be the trendy place to go for a year, and then collapse and i think that's because, at the end of the day, there's only so much taking it to the bridge the average pair of ears can stand before they implode with boredom.

but at the end of the day, as i said, it's all opinions and i wasn't (and am not) having a pop at funk fans. i don't get it. they do. bully for them