Hi Guys

Recently J.M Auctioned off a Demo copy of Johnny Sayes--My Loves a monster.In the sales notes he explained that the real ones in both issue and demo are identified from the counterfeit by the matrix number being upside down.Now in discussion with a couple of people i have had differing opinions on what upside down actually is on the run out.So i have taken a pic of my copys marix looking from outside edge in.Could someone please tell me if its a good un or not.

PATTO

The printing looks very suspect to me ... compared to this one anyway ... ?

Generally when you look at a matrix number it reads and faces out towards the run-in.

Edited August 28, 20159 yr by Chris L

The printing looks very suspect to me ... compared to this one anyway ... ?

Do you own that copy and if so which way up is the matrix as according to Manship that feature is the deciding factor

No not mine , I was judging on the rather amateurish letter spacing an rounded corners on your copy ... 

Nice ballad flip btw

Cheers Paul

Can anyone please tell me if my copy in first post is a legit original,would really like confirmation either way.someone must know for certain out there.Didnt pay much for it but need to know before playing or selling it if it goes in the boot box or originals box.

I'd say it's a boot ... 

Interesting so what do we make of post 20 on that thread you linked,confusing to say the least.Any other opinions guys please

Interesting so what do we make of post 20 on that thread you linked,confusing to say the least.Any other opinions guys please

Yours has 7T's typo. So it's a 7T's thing. Either way a bootleg or a second issue.

Yours has 7T's typo. So it's a 7T's thing. Either way a bootleg or a second issue.

Ok thanks for that so the boots also have the upside down matrix as in my photo.One to kick in the boot box then.Cheers for that

Edited August 28, 20159 yr by Patto

I bought a copy off Midas Touch exactly the same as the original post which was sold as an original.

Ok thanks for that so the boots also have the upside down matrix as in my photo.One to kick in the boot box then.Cheers for that

Dugged mine out about that "upside-down" matrix and yes it's matching yours and yes, mine is not the real thing...

Did it ever come out on that yellow Chi-Town ?

Did it ever come out on that yellow Chi-Town ?

No, white promos (a tad harder than the issue) and dark blue only.

Hi Guys

Recently J.M Auctioned off a Demo copy of Johnny Sayes--My Loves a monster.In the sales notes he explained that the real ones in both issue and demo are identified from the counterfeit by the matrix number being upside down.Now in discussion with a couple of people i have had differing opinions on what upside down actually is on the run out.So i have taken a pic of my copys marix looking from outside edge in.Could someone please tell me if its a good un or not.

PATTO

Sorry Patto its the boot 

You are lookin' at it from the wrong angle !

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Sorry Patto its the boot 

You are lookin' at it from the wrong angle !

Thanks Kev story of my life always coming in at the wrong angle.It appears that many people own the boot and dont realise so im just glad to clarify mine.Its not a big expensive tune at least and ill sell it as a boot

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Thanks Kev story of my life always coming in at the wrong angle.It appears that many people own the boot and dont realise so im just glad to clarify mine.Its not a big expensive tune at least and ill sell it as a boot

If it's any consolation Craig Moerer has sold boots as originals, so lots of people get duped by the inverted matrix bit.

If it's any consolation Craig Moerer has sold boots as originals, so lots of people get duped by the inverted matrix bit.

He once sold me a bunch of Johnny Sayles - Can't get enough - thinking they were re-issues and in fact they were originals (was a very, very long time ago)

He once sold me a bunch of Johnny Sayles - Can't get enough - thinking they were re-issues and in fact they were originals (was a very, very long time ago)

He's obviously confused then! 

He's obviously confused then! 

It was a very long time ago, they were demos where the "DJ Copy" had been scratched off the label.