For some reason this popped into my head and i thought i would ask on here.I know that there are real demo presses with a block print as opposed to the Mirwood swirl.Has anybody seen any issues to match? 

 

Trev

I bought almost all the Mirwood and Mira records in Los Angeles near the time they were released, and they were ALL the script, both in DJ and store stock.  I NEVER saw any block print on store stock, or even DJ issues back in the day.  I never saw any block print on those 2 labels ANYWHERE in USA back in the '60s, despite looki9ng through literally millions of US 45s.  I would guess the block print 45s are '70s or early '80s boots.  IF there were legit WDJs with block print, they must have been a very small batch done in an emergency , probably on The East Coast. 

I bought the top DEMO from Soul Bowl very early 70s, the Script version quite recently.

Both have Identical deadwax, Vinyl label sheen and feel etc.

Top two are STYRENE and bottom one Vinyl of these Stock Copies.

All three have Monarch DELTA # 59032 whereas the two DEMOs don't have THE delta #

I believe the two DEMOs pictured above are definitely from the same stamper or pressing plant.

Thanks for the replies,thought i was going crackers.

Deffo real Robb in my opinion. Mate has the Sheppards and have it in my head the Belles as well.

 

Trev

Is that DEMO or Stock Copy Trev.

I reckon if any Stock Copies are out there they would be Vinyl for the Block Print.

East coast press as Robb suggests.

Only seen demos Roger.I was wondering if anybody had seen block print issues of any titles.

 

Trev

Found that most releases have at least two DEMO variations and Stock Copy.

Never seen Block Print issues though.

Amazed to find Double "A Side and A/B Side" MONARCH DEMOs for 5523.

Making three DEMO variations so far and even more Stock Copy Variations.

Always gave me hope of finding a My Little Girl DEMO 5511 but alas one probably doesn't exist.

MONARCH :

DELTA # 62723 = BABY, DO THE PHILLY DOG
DELTA # 62740 = WESTERN MOVIES

STYRENE
STYRENE
STYRENE

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STYRENE
STYRENE

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VINYL
This one does have the Monarch Delta # even though it is Vinyl.
Slightly different Label Layout to Styrene Monarch.

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Guessing there's a DEMO out there for the Pressing Plant below.

VINYL

2 hours ago, TRICKY said:

Thanks for the replies,thought i was going crackers.

Deffo real Robb in my opinion. Mate has the Sheppards and have it in my head the Belles as well.

 

Trev

Yes they look real enough. They must have come from an extremely small press run, as I had seen hundreds of script white DJs and never saw the block design.  I was looking in L.A. 2-3 days each week during those years.  And for 3 months in Chicago, as well.  As I stated above, I would guess it's an East Coast pressing, as I had lots of coverage on The West Coast, and in The Midwest.  These DJs were likely pressed BEFORE any Mirwood store stockers were ever pressed.  So, that block print MAY represent the initial label design, which might have been changed during the first small press run batch, and subsequent runs used the script design, and, thus, ALL store stock runs used the script.

Edited December 13, 20159 yr by RobbK

1 hour ago, 45cellar said:

Found that most releases have at least two DEMO variations and Stock Copy.

Never seen Block Print issues though.

Amazed to find Double "A Side and A/B Side" MONARCH DEMOs for 5523.

Making three DEMO variations so far and even more Stock Copy Variations.

Always gave me hope of finding a My Little Girl DEMO 5511 but alas one probably doesn't exist.

MONARCH :

DELTA # 62723 = BABY, DO THE PHILLY DOG
DELTA # 62740 = WESTERN MOVIES

STYRENE
STYRENE
STYRENE

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STYRENE
STYRENE

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VINYL
This one does have the Monarch Delta # even though it is Vinyl.
Slightly different Label Layout to Styrene Monarch.

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Guessing there's a DEMO out there for the Pressing Plant below.

VINYL

The Delta icon doesn't ALWAYS indicate Monarch.  The Delta signifies ALCO Steel Co.  (Allied Steel).  They served BOTH Monarch, and also Allied Pressing Plant (affiliated with Allied Record Distributing Co. (ARDCO).  Monarch used vinyl once in a while, but not very much at all during the mid '60s (more in the '70s).  ARDCO used vinyl off and on all through the '60s (although they also used styrene much more than vinyl). 

Edited December 13, 20159 yr by RobbK

Monarch will have MR in a circle followed by the delta.  ALCO will have A,L & C within a circle.

Bit off topic but as ALCO was mentioned a test press via a mate of mine...

Interesting, that that 6201 W. Santa Monica Blvd. address for ALCO, was exactly 4 blocks east of ARDCO's address listed on their record sleeves: 1041 Las Palmas Ave., which was at the corner of that street and Santa Monica Blvd.  So, their record distributorship was basically next to their metal parts manufacturing plants.

Sheppards.....Block capital print design....

 

Available worldwide apparently.... not aware of any other international release apart from JayBoy... but good to think big...

 

 

Edited December 13, 20159 yr by Wrongcrowd

What's interesting about that Sheppards' release was that The Sheppards didn't record directly for Mirwood in L.A., but that it was a Chicago production, leased to Mirwood.  Eddie LaShea worked in Chicago for Johnny Pate, thus Pate's Pamco publishing.  So, why would Mirwood single out a leased record for "international availability", and not do that with their own productions?  There was no Northern Soul scene in 1967, and The Sheppards cuts, although quite good, were no more marketable to music fans worldwide, than most of the other Mirwood uptempo cuts.

6 hours ago, RobbK said:

What's interesting about that Sheppards' release was that The Sheppards didn't record directly for Mirwood in L.A., but that it was a Chicago production, leased to Mirwood.  Eddie LaShea worked in Chicago for Johnny Pate, thus Pate's Pamco publishing.  So, why would Mirwood single out a leased record for "international availability", and not do that with their own productions?  There was no Northern Soul scene in 1967, and The Sheppards cuts, although quite good, were no more marketable to music fans worldwide, than most of the other Mirwood uptempo cuts.

Also notice its the "b side" that it says "Available World-wide"on, not the A side? 

1 hour ago, El Corol said:

Also notice its the "b side" that it says "Available World-wide"on, not the A side? 

I think they were just trying to save printing costs by not putting it on both.  I sincerely doubt that they were trying to warn the foreign DJs to avoid playing "Stubborn Heart". 

can somebody post an image of Richard temple -that beatin rhythm on a mirwood demo

cheers if you can

sammy

Sammy

There is one on ebay at the moment.Carolinasoul.

 

Trev

 

I've got 2 Mirwood 45's with "Available Worldwide" on both sides- The Olympics "Same Old Thing" and Jackie Lee "Oh My Darlin' ".

29 minutes ago, TRICKY said:

Sammy

There is one on ebay at the moment.Carolinasoul.

 

Trev

 

seen it mate ,thinking about having a go at it ,just wanted to see another copy to see if its right

cheers

Sammy

Thats kosher.

Trev

 

1 minute ago, TRICKY said:

Sammy

Thats kosher.

Trev

 

thought it was ,had the issue till a couple of years ago,

hope its within my price range

cheers again

sammy

Doubt it Sammy the way prices are going for the old stuff

1 hour ago, samplat said:

Doubt it Sammy the way prices are going for the old stuff

thanks for that paul ,your up early !

whats your guess on it then?

sammy

As I mentioned earlier, most releases have at least two DEMO variations and Stock Copy.

Here is the other variation to the one currently on ebay.

that's the one I had, I was just thrown by the look of the one on ebay

cheers

sammy

The different variations are there throughout the Mirwood Catalogue.

• It can sometimes help looking for similarities of layout when assessing the rarer stuff by scan only.
• Different pressing plants and printers very often followed their own style beyond the labels logo.