Any info on this being booted, I have searched and can find nothing suggesting or confirming that it has ... 

Thanks

Counterfeit copy using the original demo label design ... nearly.

The repro label is incorrectly reproduced with no "sound hole" in the guitar that the Red Bird is playing , unlike every other Red Bird 45 out there.

Original demos and issues both in Styrene , whereas the repro is pressesd on Vinyl.

Originals with Delta # 57319 and a large raised 'X' in the runout ( large 'X' from the Shelley Products Ltd plant in Huntingdon station N.Y. that pressed up Red Birds 45's.

Repros with  "AR - 44650 - A" in the run-out , a number that in no way corresponds to the 1965 release.

Yes have been told all this on FB too .. but this is styrene not vinyl 

Why would this be booted? Great record, but surely never been in enough demand to merit a boot? 

Are there not Red Bird records on vinyl, but Canadian pressings?

Records don't just revolve round the Northern Soul scene.  Could've been done for another collecting scene????  Plenty of cheap and readily available records bootlegged, or more accurately counterfeited.

 

1 hour ago, chalky said:

Records don't just revolve round the Northern Soul scene.  Could've been done for another collecting scene????  Plenty of cheap and readily available records bootlegged, or more accurately counterfeited.

 

You have made your opinion on Facebook don't know why you have also popped up here ?   You are not a Mod here are you, don't want you opening or closing my posts like you did over there ....

38 minutes ago, Philly said:

You have made your opinion on Facebook don't know why you have also popped up here ?   You are not a Mod here are you, don't want you opening or closing my posts like you did over there ....

I am a member and free to post where I like. My comment was made two hours ago  and not in response to anything you said   

The photo is of the vinyl boot as you have been made aware. 

Edited January 2, 20178 yr by chalky

And the bootleg is even easier to spot in a side by side comparison that highlights the poor reproduction/printing on the bootleg label ... 

The question has been answered, thanks for your input 

I know , I did half of the digging and answering here and elsewhere ... but thought it would be a good idea to post it here where it will be visible for anyone else to see for future reference ... 

I would imagine the West Coast press with the delta number isn't pressed at Shelley but at Monarch or Alco? The Shelley press, East Coast? has an Audio Matrix stamp in the run out. 

Edited January 3, 20178 yr by chalky

13 hours ago, Philly said:

Yes have been told all this on FB too .. but this is styrene not vinyl 

That is no styrene ! And yes, just another boot/reissue whatever... 

The only Red Bird 45 pressed on vinyl is Roddie Joy's "Come Back Baby".

Just now, garethx said:

The only Red Bird 45 pressed on vinyl is Roddie Joy's "Come Back Baby".

In the USA most of Red Bird biggest sellers had issues in different pressing plants and some on vinyl as well, so not only that 'come back baby' by Roddie Joy.

Chapel of Love by the Dixie Cups, the labels biggest-seller. Other than that I can't think of any others.

Edited January 3, 20178 yr by garethx

There is a vinyl issue of this

I use to kinda collect them Shangri-Las when I was a teen and remember having seen a few Red Bird records back then that were OVO vinyl. And just go on and check the site 45cat.com to have a few already... I rest this case.

I've just looked at 45 cat and the only one I can see is "Chapel of Love" pressed at Columbia-Terra Haute. Even "Leader of the Pack" appears only on styrene pressed at Shelly, at Monarch and at Columbia-Pittman.

40 minutes ago, chalky said:

There is a vinyl issue of this

Don't think so.

12 minutes ago, garethx said:

Don't think so.

Here I agree with you ! If there is, I have never seen it !

I've got a "Remember (Walking In The Sand)" by the Shangri-las promo on vinyl.

2 minutes ago, the yank said:

I've got a "Remember (Walking In The Sand)" by the Shangri-las promo on vinyl.

There's quiet a few...

17 minutes ago, tlscapital said:

Here I agree with you ! If there is, I have never seen it !

John Browne's partner Tracey  has one and Dave Pinches also confirms a rare issue.  some of the scans on a google search look like vinyl although they ate not the best of scans/photos. 

11 minutes ago, chalky said:

John Browne's partner Tracey  has one and Dave Pinches also confirms a rare issue.  some of the scans on a google search look like vinyl although they ate not the best of scans/photos. 

This is a styrene copy pressed at Monarch of which I'd love to see a demo of if anybody has one or seen one ?

41 minutes ago, chalky said:

John Browne's partner Tracey  has one and Dave Pinches also confirms a rare issue.  some of the scans on a google search look like vinyl although they ate not the best of scans/photos. 

The only vinyl scans of this title on popsike are other copies of the moody one mentioned in post one. 

4 minutes ago, garethx said:

The only vinyl scans of this title on popsike are other copies of the moody one mentioned in post one. 

I haven't looked on popsike. 

40 minutes ago, tlscapital said:

This is a styrene copy pressed at Monarch of which I'd love to see a demo of if anybody has one or seen one ?

The top scan on 45cat is described as vinyl.  The person who added the scan mentions in the comments below that it is the first and only vinyl Red Bird 45 he has seen.

I've no reason to doubt what others have said regarding the vinyl issue.  Canadian are vinyl as well apparently. 

Edited January 3, 20178 yr by chalky

This keeps getting stranger and stranger... When I first replied to this topic I was merely surprised the title had been counterfeited, but decided to dig out my copy for a look. My copy is an issue, with a strong yellow label and... it's on VINYL! Run-out grooves have LS-1113 etched in, with nothing else. The red colouring on the bird has shonky registration, but the Red Bird logo text is crisp and sharp. 

2 minutes ago, cover-up said:

This keeps getting stranger and stranger... When I first replied to this topic I was merely surprised the title had been counterfeited, but decided to dig out my copy for a look. My copy is an issue, with a strong yellow label and... it's on VINYL! Run-out grooves have LS-1113 etched in, with nothing else. The red colouring on the bird has shonky registration, but the Red Bird logo text is crisp and sharp. 

Odd indeed. The label is clearly a copy of the styrene one. Blurry it makes me think of these old Ric-Tic bootlegs made in the 7T's. I can't quite make up if it's an old bootleg made for the beach scene or something else really. I've dug out my styrene now to see the if the matrix match or not. My run-out groove is smaller/narrower and the handwriting is different...

1 hour ago, tlscapital said:

This is a styrene copy pressed at Monarch of which I'd love to see a demo of if anybody has one or seen one ?

White demo spotted on popsike...

There is one issue on popsike with loads of writing on label.. Looks like vinyl to me .. Maybe john browne can post tracy's copy up.. Im away from home and i got no idea how ro copy and paste via mobile

3 minutes ago, dave pinch said:

There is one issue on popsike with loads of writing on label.. Looks like vinyl to me .. Maybe john browne can post tracy's copy up.. Im away from home and i got no idea how ro copy and paste via mobile

Dave, if you refer to the Popsike one with "SYDNEY" writing on, it's the same pressing as the vinyl one here above. Most of those vinyl copies have big WOL like name and or sticker on...

1 hour ago, tlscapital said:

Dave, if you refer to the Popsike one with "SYDNEY" writing on, it's the same pressing as the vinyl one here above. Most of those vinyl copies have big WOL like name and or sticker on...

Yes thats the one.. 

11 hours ago, tlscapital said:

Dave, if you refer to the Popsike one with "SYDNEY" writing on, it's the same pressing as the vinyl one here above. Most of those vinyl copies have big WOL like name and or sticker on...

 

9 hours ago, dave pinch said:

Yes thats the one.. 

The bird runs off the label on the vinyl copy unlike the others where the whole bird is visible.

Just had a quick look through my collection.

Even though they may be different pressing plants and quite common records, the quality of printing and position of logo are spot on.

Vinyl

Styrene

Vinyl

Styrene

25 minutes ago, 45cellar said:

Just had a quick look through my collection.

Even though they may be different pressing plants and quite common records, the quality of printing and position of logo are spot on.

Well that could have something to do with the fact that none of the 45's you posted were the bootlegged Roddie Joy which is the 45 in question ... 

Yes I know that.

My point was that very often when bootlegs or counterfiets are made the quality lacks in one way or another.

I was looking to more common records for comparison of manufacture. Vinyl and Styrene.

 

 

A point that was demonstrated earlier in the thread with the direct side by side comparison between the boot and original labels ... 

I can't help thinking something doesn't look right with the vinyl issue of the record in question. The bird just doesn't look right running off the inner edge of the label.

3 minutes ago, chalky said:

I can't help thinking something doesn't look right with the vinyl issue of the record in question. The bird just doesn't look right running off the inner edge of the label.

True , but if you look at 45cellar's pictures above the registration is different on all of them , beit the Bird or the Styvesant lettering at the bottom ... ?

 

The actual bird and guitar appear to have been printed in red and then over printed black on the guitar leaving a red glow down one side.

I don't think that I have seen this on others.

10 hours ago, WoodButcher said:

True , but if you look at 45cellar's pictures above the registration is different on all of them , beit the Bird or the Styvesant lettering at the bottom ... ?

 

But on none does the bird run off the label, it is constantly in the same position although the issue is slightly lower than the demos?

Do all yours have any mastering or pressing plant stamp Roger?

Yes Chalky

Roddie Joy - Come Back Baby

The Butterflys - I Wonder

Both have a Faint Audio Matrix

The 3 Styrene below

I have a Leader Of The Pack DEMO with Monarch and Audio Matrix

The Dixie Cups Chapel Of Love with Monarch, Audio Matrix and Bell Sound

Shangri-las I Can Never Go Home Any More / Sophisticated Boom Boom with simply a Raised X