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Hopkins Bros. - 3746£

Lainie Hill - 823£

Jason Knight - 310£

Speck´s Homburg & The Arpeggios - 515£

Tony Drake - 356£

Celeste Hardie - 1691£

Jay Walkers feat. Mickey Holiday - 310£

A few price-drops evident here. Post-Christmas poverty perhaps? Ward Burton was a bargain as a load have turned up - does anyone know the story on this one? 

15 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

A few price-drops evident here. Post-Christmas poverty perhaps? Ward Burton was a bargain as a load have turned up - does anyone know the story on this one? 

The ward burton remained elusive for many many years,then maybe a very small handful of mint copies turned up over the last few years,giving the elusion it’s not a rare record anymore! I reckon it’s still a rare record on the grand scene of things!

personally I much prefer the Martha Starr version,a bit slower,but a cool tune,and I’ve never seen it in the flesh! I wonder which version came first?

3 hours ago, Dobber said:

The ward burton remained elusive for many many years,then maybe a very small handful of mint copies turned up over the last few years,giving the elusion it’s not a rare record anymore! I reckon it’s still a rare record on the grand scene of things!

personally I much prefer the Martha Starr version,a bit slower,but a cool tune,and I’ve never seen it in the flesh! I wonder which version came first?

A quick search on popsike chucks 63 copies up,  not to mention the copies sold by other means and outlets.  Its no where near as rare as some make out now.

11 minutes ago, Chalky said:

A quick search on popsike chucks 63 copies up,  not to mention the copies sold by other means and outlets.  Its no where near as rare as some make out now.

Jesus wept that many? 
 

any idea on which came first with this and Martha star? 

33 minutes ago, Dobber said:

Jesus wept that many? 
 

any idea on which came first with this and Martha star? 

I knew Martha first

37 minutes ago, Dobber said:

any idea on which came first with this and Martha star? 

Will Hammond say's,

"I actually gave her (Carolyn Sullivan) the name 'Martha Starr.' I wrote and produced both the Martha Starr and Ward Burton versions." Hammond indicates that the Martha Starr version was recorded prior to the Ward Burton release.
Carolyn Sullivan has three 45s on the Charay label.

Hammond's comment also refers to Sweet Temptation attributed to "Cressa Watson" (not Cresa Watson), apparently from this LP compilation. Hammond wrote; "The Cressa Watson thing is a fake. I think the guy at the record label was dating Cressa Watson or some kind of hanky panky and tried to impress her with this fake record."

Based on this comment, I wonder whether the Martha Star on Thelma circa 1966 - apparently Martha Ann Shamley - is a different artist than this Martha Starr (aka Carolyn Sullivan) on Charay, who also recorded with Moses Dillard.
 

4 minutes ago, Solidsoul said:

Will Hammond say's,

"I actually gave her (Carolyn Sullivan) the name 'Martha Starr.' I wrote and produced both the Martha Starr and Ward Burton versions." Hammond indicates that the Martha Starr version was recorded prior to the Ward Burton release.
Carolyn Sullivan has three 45s on the Charay label.

Hammond's comment also refers to Sweet Temptation attributed to "Cressa Watson" (not Cresa Watson), apparently from this LP compilation. Hammond wrote; "The Cressa Watson thing is a fake. I think the guy at the record label was dating Cressa Watson or some kind of hanky panky and tried to impress her with this fake record."

Based on this comment, I wonder whether the Martha Star on Thelma circa 1966 - apparently Martha Ann Shamley - is a different artist than this Martha Starr (aka Carolyn Sullivan) on Charay, who also recorded with Moses Dillard.
 

I wonder how Cressa is a fake?  It is the same as Martha with a break cut out?

Martha star on Thelma etc is one R,this sweet temptation tune is Martha Starr two RR’s,so I would guess the chap used this as a sales tactic,also they don’t sound alike! So I would put my money on it being the said Carolyn Sullivan is Martha Starr and I doubt there is a 45 with Cresa Watson doing sweet temptation.

could Carolyn Sullivan be cresa Watson also?

1 hour ago, Chalky said:

I wonder how Cressa is a fake?  It is the same as Martha with a break cut out?

Especially considering there are seven releases credited to Cresa on the Charay label , some with multiple versions.

The Martha Starr label looks to be a dodgy one to my eyes , and its catalogue number C-35 is repeated a few times on Charay which is also a tad strange.

Could the Martha then be the 'fake' one , with hookey labels printed in an attempt to get inside some poor girls drawers ... ?

16 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

Especially considering there are seven releases credited to Cresa on the Charay label , some with multiple versions.

The Martha Starr label looks to be a dodgy one to my eyes , and its catalogue number C-35 is repeated a few times on Charay which is also a tad strange.

Could the Martha then be the 'fake' one , with hookey labels printed in an attempt to get inside some poor girls drawers ... ?

Listened to Carolyn Sullivan on Caray and Martha and not so sure they are the same singer, might be my ears and the laptop?

10 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Listened to Carolyn Sullivan on Caray and Martha and not so sure they are the same singer, might be my ears and the laptop?

The combination of tiny , tinny laptop speakers , squashed mp3s and middle-aged ears is a distinctly disadvantageous one when it comes to deciphering this sort of detail , of that there's no denying ... 

4 hours ago, Dobber said:

Jesus wept that many? 
 

any idea on which came first with this and Martha star? 

This is why I asked. It was very rare a few years ago but a hoard has been uncovered. Plenty have been auctioned by carolinasoul so the price recently has dipped. Ward Burton’s daughter had a few, sold them but kept one copy for herself. I just wondered where the quantity came from…

How many Martha Starrs are out there? Think I've heard John Weston play it? And thought it was very rare indeed. Interested to know folks thoughts, thank you....Rob

22 minutes ago, Lionelonthevinyl said:

How many Martha Starrs are out there? Think I've heard John Weston play it? And thought it was very rare indeed. Interested to know folks thoughts, thank you....Rob

I seem to recall some years back Carl fortnum putting up a pic of it? It’s a real item and yes it has to be up there with the rarest items! But to who the true identity is I reckon we will never know! But who cares,it’s a great tune and a great 45 to own if one is lucky enough to have one!

1 hour ago, Dobber said:

It’s a real item

 

33 minutes ago, Simon T said:

 

I didn’t know it was yellow,I thought it was white?

Yes defo yellow then 😂

 

 

 

Does anyone know how and why Sweet Temptation appeared on the UK Cascade compilation. According to the liner notes, one Lindi Waters compiled the record. Who was/is Lindi Waters? And how did they got hold of the track? Based on the sound quality it wasn't dubbed from tape but from a record.

On 24/01/2025 at 23:00, Benji said:

Does anyone know how and why Sweet Temptation appeared on the UK Cascade compilation. According to the liner notes, one Lindi Waters compiled the record. Who was/is Lindi Waters? And how did they got hold of the track? Based on the sound quality it wasn't dubbed from tape but from a record.

"Lindi Waters" compiled that entire series of comps. Might be a pseudonym, either for one person or a group of people. Cascade was an Ace Records subsidiary, so might help to ask Ady about it.

https://www.discogs.com/label/34671-Cascade-Records?page=1