Can anyone help with this, there are two Art Freemans in the pictures below, look at the word VOCAL, they are in different places, is one a boot?

Thanks.

Can anyone help with this, there are two Art Freemans in the pictures below, look at the word VOCAL, they are in different places, is one a boot?

Thanks.

No.

No.

Thanks, one must be earlier than the other.

Thanks, one must be earlier than the other.

Why?

Why?

well, if there being pressed on a machine, why go to all that bother changing the type set position, unless one batch were printed at a later date.

well, if there being pressed on a machine, why go to all that bother changing the type set position, unless one batch were printed at a later date.

As with many other major label 45s, the Art Freeman 45 was pressed at many different pressing plants around the US at the same time for different regional markets (instead of pressing all 45s at one plant and then shipping them out to all parts of the US). There are many variations of original Art Freeman 45s out there.

As with many other major label 45s, the Art Freeman 45 was pressed at many different pressing plants around the US at the same time for different regional markets (instead of pressing all 45s at one plant and then shipping them out to all parts of the US). There are many variations of original Art Freeman 45s out there.

Thanks very much, was just beginning to think that.

Thanks again.

Can anyone help with this, there are two Art Freemans in the pictures below, look at the word VOCAL, they are in different places, is one a boot?

Thanks.

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Hi

This is the DEMO

It looks like the Stock Copy on the left,

However Different pressing plants were used.

I'm not sure which of your copies is the rarest Label Variation.

I must admit, that I haven't compared DEMO Label Variations.

I'm just wondering if there there is, It sometimes happens.

Edited November 15, 200717 yr by 45cellar

Hi

This is the DEMO

It looks like the Stock Copy on the left,

However Different pressing plants were used.

I'm not sure which of your copies is the rarest Label Variation.

I must admit, that I haven't compared DEMO Label Variations.

I'm just wondering if there there is, It sometimes happens.

Good point

only aware of the one demo label style

and of course its pretty rare

there is of course the red label issue to confuse you more

personally im sticking with my test pressing which is blank on the slippin side

and typed on the other

Good point

only aware of the one demo label style

and of course its pretty rare

there is of course the red label issue to confuse you more

personally im sticking with my test pressing which is blank on the slippin side

and typed on the other

Hi Pete

A test pressing, now that is Mega Rare, nice one.

The Red Label, again Mega Rare.

When you consider the work that has gone into this release, no doubt just like any other.

Makes you wonder at just why it is so rare, even on UK Red Atlantic.

Not really a common record on any of the formats.

An unusual release in this respect. I'd like to know how many of each format were made.

A Brilliant record.

Edited November 15, 200717 yr by 45cellar

Hi Pete

A test pressing, now that is Mega Rare, nice one.

When you consider the work that has gone into this release, no doubt just like any other.

Makes you wonder at just why it is so rare, even on UK Red Atlantic.

Not really a common record on any of the formats.

Had a few red atlantics, the sound quality is not as good and i would guess they where all sticker demos originally

Hi

This is the DEMO

It looks like the Stock Copy on the left,

However Different pressing plants were used.

I'm not sure which of your copies is the rarest Label Variation.

I must admit, that I haven't compared DEMO Label Variations.

I'm just wondering if there there is, It sometimes happens.

Just had a look at my DEMO and its the same layout as the other stock copy, with the VOCAL on the right.

Had a few red atlantics, the sound quality is not as good and i would guess they where all sticker demos originally

Hi Pete

I believe It has been stated that a lot of stuff on Red Atlantic was dubbed from a U.S.A. release.

Possibly why the Sound Quality is not as good.

I used to have it on Red Atlantic, a long time ago now though.

Never had a realistic chance of another copy.

Just had a look at my DEMO and its the same layout as the other stock copy, with the VOCAL on the right.

Thanks for that,

I've often thought that each Pressing Plant would have the possible DEMO.

I suppose they pressed as required at the Time.

A test pressing, now that is Mega Rare, nice one.

Seen a few of these around, how rare is it do you think ?

This one's mine......

Seen a few of these around, how rare is it do you think ?

This one's mine......

No idea. But rarer than any of the others by miles

is your other side printed blank?

I'm gonna put a small spanner in the works here as I have a red Fame copy as already been mentioned here, my wife is asleep at the moment so I can't go and dig it out to scan, but on the flip side it says 'Plug Side' so from memory mines a red USA Fame demo, showed it to Mick Smith many years ago and he said it was a tuff copy to locate, has to be the hardest format second to perhaps the test pressing?

Will scan both sides tomorrow and post so you can take a peek.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

The test pressings turned up mid 70s there were a few around for awhile (may of been from Soul Bowl)

but now tucked away in collections gathering dust under beds & in attics.

Would of thought the rarest would be the Italian pic Sleeve 45

Ian

I'm gonna put a small spanner in the works here as I have a red Fame copy as already been mentioned here, my wife is asleep at the moment so I can't go and dig it out to scan, but on the flip side it says 'Plug Side' so from memory mines a red USA Fame demo, showed it to Mick Smith many years ago and he said it was a tuff copy to locate, has to be the hardest format second to perhaps the test pressing?

Will scan both sides tomorrow and post so you can take a peek.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Hi Mark

Is the Red Fame Copy Vinyl or Styrene,

Just wondering if this is an East Coast / West Coast difference.

It has happened with some of the Other Labels where the West Coast

press opts for a Coloured DEMO rather than White.

Is the Red Fame Copy Vinyl or Styrene,

It's styrene.

I've got a picture cover, Italian release on Atlantic of this.

Is that legit?

Cheers

Doc

There also exists a UK Atlantic white label test pressing with handwritten credits, that my mate Brad has.

I don't have the actual 45...but here's the Italian picture cover Doc mentioned

I don't have the actual 45...but here's the Italian picture cover Doc mentioned

That's the one.

Far too cheesy a cover for such a top tune.

Doc

Edited November 16, 200717 yr by Dr Pickles

It's styrene.

Styrene, West Coast Monarch Pressing Plant I Reckon.

That will be why it is So Rare, compared to the others.

The test pressings turned up mid 70s there were a few around for awhile (may of been from Soul Bowl)

but now tucked away in collections gathering dust under beds & in attics.

Would of thought the rarest would be the Italian pic Sleeve 45

Ian

I've got a picture cover, Italian release on Atlantic of this.

Is that legit?

Cheers

Doc

I don't have the actual 45...but here's the Italian picture cover Doc mentioned

Thanks John, when Ian & then Doc Mentioned It

I thought I've Not seen that before, nice to see a scan.

Another format, travelled the Globe, Yet still Rare.

As promised the Red Fame scan both sides, note the 'Plug Side' ident on the flip...could this be a Red Demo???? the plot thickens.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

As promised the Red Fame scan both sides, note the 'Plug Side' ident on the flip...could this be a Red Demo???? the plot thickens.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Hi Mark

I would say that your scan is an Extremely Rare West Coast DEMO.

They did have the habit of Coloured DEMO's as opposed to White.

I have had a look at the scans, I think that I can see a Monarch Matrix Stamp to the left of "AT" on the "Slippin' Around" side.

As you know the Monarch press almost all are Styrene, However some are Vinyl with the Monarch Delta etc.

Edited November 16, 200717 yr by 45cellar

Hi

This is the DEMO

It looks like the Stock Copy on the left,

However Different pressing plants were used.

I'm not sure which of your copies is the rarest Label Variation.

I must admit, that I haven't compared DEMO Label Variations.

I'm just wondering if there there is, It sometimes happens.

Hasn't the white demo been booted?

How can you detect if it's a genuine one?

As promised the Red Fame scan both sides, note the 'Plug Side' ident on the flip...could this be a Red Demo???? the plot thickens.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

It is Mark, I bought one of these (red Fame demo) in a collection a few years ago, yours is only the second one I've seen. Meanwhile...

Edited June 30, 200817 yr by Pete S

Hasn't the white demo been booted?

How can you detect if it's a genuine one?

Booted twice actually, in both vinyl and then styrene. The vinyl ones look the part but lack the run off info of the original.

Booted twice actually, in both vinyl and then styrene. The vinyl ones look the part but lack the run off info of the original.

Thanks

As promised the Red Fame scan both sides, note the 'Plug Side' ident on the flip...could this be a Red Demo???? the plot thickens.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

I've not seen the red copies beofre. They are a handsome sight indeed.