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Anybody got any info as to the origins of this - Satin "Give all your love to me " 45

on -Good records

and whether it is a recent cut to make a few bucks or what ?

who can be trusted as far as anything that turns up nowadays - the reputable dealers ? like............................................. :yes:

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Anybody got any info as to the origins of this - Satin "Give all your love to me " 45

on -Good records

and whether it is a recent cut to make a few bucks or what ?

who can be trusted as far as anything that turns up nowadays - the reputable dealers ? like............................................. :yes:

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Late 90's pressing for my money probably of an unissued thing. Don't know who did them, but I'd be tempted to look towards the Carolinas..... :yes:

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Late 90's pressing for my money probably of an unissued thing. Don't know who did them, but I'd be tempted to look towards the Carolinas..... :yes:

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Thanks for the bit feedback and I don't think we will ever know who is pressing the likes of this and many other recent things which when first marketed here are selling for high prices untill it is found out that there are loads !

just a pitty that the recording is not a bit better as it is a great track wherever it came from....... and in any case this would seem to be the only format so it's have one or not ! course you could bid a quid on a certain uk auction :yes:

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If anyone else has any info on this 45 would be glad to hear

cheers ! :yes:

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If anyone else has any info on this 45 would be glad to hear

cheers ! :yes:

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Can't provide any brilliant insight of my own I'm afraid, but Manship has a copy (complete with suspicions) on auction at the moment.

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Thanks for the bit feedback and I don't think we will ever know who is pressing the likes of this and many other recent things which when first marketed here are selling for high prices untill it is found out that there are loads !

just a pitty that the recording is not a bit better as it is a great track wherever it came from.......  and in any case this would seem to be the only format  so it's have one or not !  course you could bid a quid on a certain uk auction :yes:

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Hazel Martin looks like it was pressed at the same place.....another mystery (and a Beach record I'd wager).

I think the Satin is a good song, but you can hear the recording start, after the needle has gone on the groove like an old emi disc. Another tell tell sign for John to add to his auction...

I agree it's very poor that these things are happening - exactly the same thing has happened on the northern scene though, so we should not be surprised I guess. :yes:

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I asked a similar question to the person who I bought mine from, here's what I was told:

"It was a track laid down by the Joneses in 79, but the lead vocal wasn't laid down til the late 80s. It was then waxed and it was so late in the game that the producers no longer had turntables and didn't notice the burned out vocal distortion"

Shame the vocals f**k up like they do...almost becomes unplayable.

Have you noticed the translucent 'brown' colour of the vinyl?

Does that give any clues as to it's vintage?

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I asked a similar question to the person who I bought mine from, here's what I was told:

"It was a track laid down by the Joneses in 79, but the lead vocal wasn't laid down til the late 80s. It was then waxed and it was so late in the game that the producers no longer had turntables and didn't notice the burned out vocal distortion"

Shame the vocals f**k up like they do...almost becomes unplayable.

Have you noticed the translucent 'brown' colour of the vinyl?

Does that give any clues as to it's vintage?

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It's a nice tale, but it doesn't explain the soopa shiny gloss on the vinyl, or the heavy press favoured from the late 90's on, or the computer fonts on the writing etc etc....my money is still on 99 or later. :yes:

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It's a nice tale, but it doesn't explain the soopa shiny gloss on the vinyl, or the heavy press favoured from the late 90's on, or the computer fonts on the writing etc etc....my money is still on 99 or later. :lol:

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Trevor

Can you please post this on soul sauce at your earliest convenience. Thnak

you for your help.

Can I respond to the nonsensical and totally incorrect rantings of John

Manship on his auction site regarding the SATIN 45.

I cannot shed any concrete evidence on why the 45 was pressed sometime

after it was recorded but it's amateurish appearance does suggest a rush to

meet a dealine and subsequently, it was always going to be doomed to

obscurity. I can however firmly date the record to being released sometime

between 1987 and 1993. It is not as has been suggested a recent release.

Quite simply, that vinyl is not in circulation anymore. The last usage of

that vinyl that I can find is the Fifty/50 single "Just Like a Diamond" -

from 1993.

I sold Tim Brown a copy of the 45 last summer from the small batch I

located. He, like I, thought it a great discovery. I can state in the

strongest possible terms he has nothing whatsoever to do with the

manufacture of the record. So strong is his case, if I was him I would

consider taking legal action against anyone who suggested differently.

John Manship has had a a massive falling out with Tim Brown over several

issues and has assumed, because Tim dj's with the 45 and has reviewed it,

that Tim is behind it. That is categorically untrue. Manship seeks to

discredit the 45 thinking he is tarring Tim. He is 100 per cent wrong.

Manship's points regarding the 45 are based on 1) computer generated label

detail. This may come as a shock to John Manship but singers and producers

are as entitlted to use home computers much as the rest of us are and in

the mid to late 80s many releases look like this - refer to Roy Galloway on

Awe-some, Jo Armstead on Preacher Rose, Pat Hodges on Travellin Light - I

could go on and on and on. If artists had had access to this technology in

the 60s and 70s, small independents would have used it. May I suggest Glenn

Dorsey no longer had the original artwork to his label, it having been

defunct for sometime, and mocked his own up using one of his old 45s as a

guide. This isn't fact, just my theory. Only Glenn Dorsey knows why this 45

was issued.

2) He compares it with Stardust 006 as a direct copy - well, Stardust have

been in operation for about 20 years now - I would think an early release on

the label (006) would look like release of that period - 1989 / 1990. I

suggest Manship looks at Nathan Bartell "Someone Like You' (Vanity) (1988

from memory), Pierre (Bob's Malibu) (1988), Willie Darrington (2nd issue -

1992), Flowers "We Could" (1991 from memory) and finally Fifty/50 (1993).

During the late 80s and early 90s, Steve Davis and I were sent lots of

unissued material from a period covering the late 70s and all of the 80s. We

did commit some to vinyl via the artists themselves - Bill Spoon and

Flowers spring to mind - but we stopped putting things out around 1992/3

because people stopped supporting 'new' releases in numbers. Most of the

people around now where nowhere to be seen 12 / 13 years ago. Subsequently

we did not mention the vast amount of unissued material nor let anyone have

a copy. We operated Voices by a strict code of ethical practice. We can't in

hindsight include people we worked with at this time under that umbrella.

Neither myself nor other Directors of this company would profit illegally

from artists work - and would consider it libellous if anyone suggested we

did.

The false accusations surrounding the SATIN 45 are based on 2 record dealers

falling out and totally incorrect assumptions having been made. Quite where

it leaves the credibility of the accusing party is beyond me. I have had to

deal with this nonsense during a very trying time for my family in the

aftermath of a family bereavement. I did sent an e-mail to John Manship

outlying most of this, he simply threw more toys out the pram via his

auction comments but did not dircetly reply to me. I suppose that is the

measure of the man.

I would like to thank the site for letting me put forward the facts as I

know them. I am not a member of the site so I can't respond to any

subsequent points made. I believe the 45 dates from, circa 1988/89, possibly

a year or two later.

Rod Dearlove

Voices From The Shadows.

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Interesting stuff from Rod.

Going back to the 'possible Carolina' origin of the record.

The signature on the run-out reads Dcharles. Further investigation leads to the strong assumtion that this Dcharles almost definately refers to Dick Charles, a guy based in New York who not only ran his own Mastering service and studio in New York, but Mastered tons of stuff - varying from folk to soul to hip hop to disco mix acetates - over a period of some 30 years. He died in 2002.

So that'd probably mean it wasn't out of the Carolinas but New York.

Dorsey, being based in New York (Brooklyn, I think) would probably have used this guy to custom press these records. Exactly when, who knows (except Glenn Dorsey I guess) Exactly why? Probably to make money from stuff he'd had sitting around doing nothing.

On reflection, it doesn't look all that amateurish: it certainly sounds amateurish, almost to the point of being un-useable. Which, if you like the tune, is a shame.

I too couldn't help thinking there certain were 'political' motivations involved in that auction. Noticed the record's gone off auction now.

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I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ROD WITH REGARDS THE SATIN BEING A VERY GOOD DISCOVERY AND HIS EXPLANATION OF THE FACTS AND MORAL ETHICS IN CONNECTION WITH THE 45.I HAD A SMALL HANDFULL OF COPIES THAT WERE BOUGHT BY TOP SEASONED COLLECTORS AND DJ'S - LEAVING ME WITH A COUPLE OF COPIES WHICH I'LL HOLD ONTO, I MAILED MY PAL IN THE STATES OFFERING HIM HUNDREDS OF $'S FOR MORE COPIES WHICH HE COULDN'T SUPPLY COS BY THE LOOKS OF THINGS THE MAIN LOT WAS BOUGHT BY OUR U.S FRIENDS.I'LL ASK MY PAL IF HE KNOWS WHERE THE 45 WAS PRESSED IF HE KNOWS I'LL PASS ON THE INFO.

AIN'T IT PATHETIC WHEN ONE DEALER HAS TO TRY AND MAKE ANOTHER LOOK DISHONEST ? I GUESS YOU PAYS YER MONEY AND TAKES YER CHANCE....

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I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ROD WITH REGARDS THE SATIN BEING A VERY GOOD DISCOVERY AND HIS EXPLANATION OF THE FACTS AND MORAL ETHICS IN CONNECTION WITH THE 45.I HAD A SMALL HANDFULL OF COPIES THAT WERE BOUGHT BY TOP SEASONED COLLECTORS AND DJ'S - LEAVING ME WITH A COUPLE OF COPIES WHICH I'LL HOLD ONTO, I MAILED MY PAL IN THE STATES OFFERING HIM HUNDREDS OF $'S FOR MORE COPIES WHICH HE COULDN'T SUPPLY COS BY THE LOOKS OF THINGS THE MAIN LOT WAS BOUGHT BY OUR U.S FRIENDS.I'LL ASK MY PAL IF HE KNOWS WHERE THE 45 WAS PRESSED IF HE KNOWS I'LL PASS ON THE INFO.

AIN'T IT PATHETIC WHEN ONE DEALER HAS TO TRY AND MAKE ANOTHER LOOK DISHONEST ? I GUESS YOU PAYS YER MONEY AND TAKES YER CHANCE....

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Rod has given a fair response on the authenticity of this record, date etc.

I am a natural sceptic, and am rarely satisfied, but in fairness, I am also a person that will listen to reasoned debate / views.

We await further with baited breath; but I wonder whether the full story on this 45 will ever be told..... smile.gif

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