If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy?

Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++

If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy?

Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++

for some strange reason i think the usa copy seems to be worth more,

Where does the Canadian issue fit in with these?

Where does the Canadian issue fit in with these?

Dunno?

If we were going to put prices on these, how much for;

UK copy

US copy

Canadian copy

All in say VG++ condition

Dunno?

If we were going to put prices on these, how much for;

UK copy

US copy

Canadian copy

All in say VG++ condition

Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there?

Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there?

Is there?

How can you tell?

What tell-tale signs are there?

Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there?

yes steve there is.

the song title should be in one line. also a tiny daisy matrix in the dead wax.

hope that helps.

yes steve there is.

the song title should be in one line. also a tiny daisy matrix in the dead wax.

hope that helps.

the song title should be in one line

You sure about this as I've had my import for more than 30 years and the title is on two lines.

Not sure about the daisy though, I'll check when I get home.

Also the spelling of the artist name is different ie patton/patten very clever as with jerry cook i hurt on the other side, correct about the dasy stamp though

Also the spelling of the artist name is different ie patton/patten very clever as with jerry cook i hurt on the other side, correct about the dasy stamp though

Patten being the original and Patton being the boot? Correct?

Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton?

Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original.

Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence?

Edited January 10, 200817 yr by denbo

Patten being the original and Patton being the boot? Correct?

NO OTHER WAY ROUND MATEY, LOOK FOR THE DASIE STAMP IN THE DEADWAX IF NOT SURE JUST CHECKED THE BOOKS FOR YOU THATS THE INFO THERE GIVING OUT ANYWAY

NO OTHER WAY ROUND MATEY, LOOK FOR THE DASIE STAMP IN THE DEADWAX IF NOT SURE JUST CHECKED THE BOOKS FOR YOU THATS THE INFO THERE GIVING OUT ANYWAY

Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton?

Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original.

Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence?

Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton?

Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original.

Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence?

got me info from john manship's boot guide. . and that what it say's mate all on one line.

YEH got my info from that book aswell, like i said very clever these and duped a lot of people when they first appeared along with jerry cook, think they used the original company blank labels aswell allways look for daisy stamp if not sure

YEH got my info from that book aswell, like i said very clever these and duped a lot of people when they first appeared along with jerry cook, think they used the original company blank labels aswell allways look for daisy stamp if not sure

Hang on, correct me if I'm wrong.

The original as the title on one line with Patten not Patton c/w a daisy in the runout groove?

A boot would therefore have the title on two lines with Patton not Patten without a daisy in the runout groove?

What if I've got one with the title on two lines and Patten not Patton without a daisy in the runout groove?

Or, better still, one with the title on two lines and Patten not Pattan c/w a daisy in the runout groove?

Hang on, correct me if I'm wrong.

The original as the title on one line with Patten not Patton c/w a daisy in the runout groove?

A boot would therefore have the title on two lines with Patton not Patten without a daisy in the runout groove?

What if I've got one with the title on two lines and Patten not Patton without a daisy in the runout groove?

Or, better still, one with the title on two lines and Patten not Pattan c/w a daisy in the runout groove?

Dunno about that mate can only give you info avalable and as i understood it nearly bought a boot myself many years ago luckily my mate interviened and stopped me, according to jm`s price guide and i quote ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMETIME-CAPITOL 5677 [TITLE ON ONE LINE WITH DAISY STAMP]

ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMTIME-CAPITOL5677 [TITLE ON TWO LINES WITH "AIM" STAMP]

THINK THE KEY IS IN THE ARTIST SPELLING AND THE DEADWAX STAMPS HOPE THIS HELPS

Original USA Reads.

A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES

ALEXADER PATTEN

Bootleg USA Reads

A LIL

LOVIN' SOMETIMES

ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON

Original Canadian Reads

A LIL LOVIN'

SOMETIMES

ALEXANDER PATTEN

Hope this helps.

Original USA Reads.

A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES

ALEXADER PATTEN

Bootleg USA Reads

A LIL

LOVIN' SOMETIMES

ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON

Original Canadian Reads

A LIL LOVIN'

SOMETIMES

ALEXANDER PATTEN

Hope this helps.

And of course as ive said check your deadwax stamps as my last reply-good luck

Dunno about that mate can only give you info avalable and as i understood it nearly bought a boot myself many years ago luckily my mate interviened and stopped me, according to jm`s price guide and i quote ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMETIME-CAPITOL 5677 [TITLE ON ONE LINE WITH DAISY STAMP]

ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMTIME-CAPITOL5677 [TITLE ON TWO LINES WITH "AIM" STAMP]

THINK THE KEY IS IN THE ARTIST SPELLING AND THE DEADWAX STAMPS HOPE THIS HELPS

Should that be Patton? Or Patten?

Patten is the correct spelling, yes?

That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp.

What does the AIM mean?

HI,

THIS IS THE RE-ISSUE THE I'VE GOT,

NO DAISY ON THIS ONE,

JOE.

Should that be Patton? Or Patten?

Patten is the correct spelling, yes?

That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp.

What does the AIM mean?

According to jm`s book wich i`m reading patton has also been booted without the AIM stamp, havn`t got the bootlegg guide to hand but there is a big write up in there about maybe a quick pm to john manship may clear this up for you

Original USA Reads.

A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES

ALEXADER PATTEN

Bootleg USA Reads

A LIL

LOVIN' SOMETIMES

ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON

Original Canadian Reads

A LIL LOVIN'

SOMETIMES

ALEXANDER PATTEN

Hope this helps.

Really ? Or is this a spelling mistake on your part ?

Really ? Or is this a spelling mistake on your part ?

Agreed dave i was thinking along the same lines as you, maybe wrong though

According to jm`s book wich i`m reading patton has also been booted without the AIM stamp, havn`t got the bootlegg guide to hand but there is a big write up in there about maybe a quick pm to john manship may clear this up for you

Does the book spell the artist as Patton or Patten?

Does the book spell the artist as Patton or Patten?

PATTON mate

Should that be Patton? Or Patten?

Patten is the correct spelling, yes?

That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp.

What does the AIM mean?

It's PATTON on my UK demo.

I think it reads PATTEN on both US Original and US Boot (from memory).

Sean

It's PATTON on my UK demo.

I think it reads PATTEN on both US Original and US Boot (from memory).

Sean

I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit.

The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy.

To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON.

I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit.

The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy.

To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON.

Aaaarrrrrrrgh!!!!!!

Aaaarrrrrrrgh!!!!!!

Have pm`d john manship to ask if he can clear this up

Easily the rarest issue of Alexander Patton is its appearance on a 12" LP sampler (playing at 33rpm) Capitol issued to radio stations in the US in 1966, of which I am the proud owner No argument about legitimacy on these LP's !

They issued these various artists LP's periodically through the mid 60's. Soul tracks mixed with country pop and rock artists.

Complete versions of the songs with no editing whatsoever and sound reproduction far better than even the original issue 45's !!!

I have others with Bobby Paris "I Walked Away" , one with Patrice Holloway "Stolen Hours" , another with HB Barnum's "Heartbreaker" and one with the Checkmates "Kissin Her and Cryin for You" , and Frank Polk "Tryin To Keep Up With The Joneses" !!!!!

Who'd have thought these tracks would appeared in 12" form at their time of issue in the 60's and a major label like Capitol did in fact try to break these tracks back then.

Aaaarrrrrrrgh!!!!!!

Sorry about that Denbo but it was important that you knew about this!

Have pm`d john manship to ask if he can clear this up

Good stuff. Let me know what transpires.

Good stuff. Let me know what transpires.

By the way garnett mimms lp came out on two labels, with mispelt credits

By the way garnett mimms lp came out on two labels, with mispelt credits

You're kiddin' right?

If not, do you mean the UK label release?

You're kiddin' right?

If not, do you mean the UK label release?

Yeh only kidding matey, just trying to ease your mind a bit, these things do your head in when you can`t get a solution

Yeh only kidding matey, just trying to ease your mind a bit, these things do your head in when you can`t get a solution

It's no bloody wonder I used to collect UK labels ONLY.

It's no bloody wonder I used to collect UK labels ONLY.

Know what you mean mate, best one ever was i once asked about john & the wierdest bootleggs on TIE RECORDS different widths of run out grooves only by millimeters and other stuff blew my head to bits

I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit.

The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy.

To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON.

Great record tho`,part of my miss-spelt youth

Great record tho`,part of my miss-spelt youth

OOOOOH! NICE ONE

If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy?

Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++

easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue.

SHEEP

easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue.

SHEEP

Yep!..........UK Demo`s are very scarce but the issues are dog rare!

Yep!..........UK Demo`s are very scarce but the issues are dog rare!

DEAD RIGHT

easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue.

SHEEP

UK Copy (issue) for Sale here!

Yet another spelling!

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...c=63693&hl=

For your info,

His promo pics spell it Patton and he signs as this. (LA 2004 )

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1933...mp;id=578878947

Regards

David

ps i was gonna move my UK issue on and keep UK DJ? May have to rethink!?

Patten is the correct spelling, yes?

That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp.

What does the AIM mean?

Patten is the correct spelling, yes?

That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp.

What does the AIM mean?

The West coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the DAISY stamp, has the TITLE written across in ONE LINE.

The East coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the TRIANGLE AIM stamp, has the TITLE written across in TWO LINES.

The clever BOOTLEG Capitol copied the original with the titile in two lines, but DOES NOT have the Triangle Aim stamp.

All the above are by Alexander Patten.

The UK original release mispelled his name and released it as Alexander Patton.

Cant beleive this is still goin`on,so easy whats to understand as above,but the Pattern copy must be Yarkshire pressin`wouldnt mind seein`a scan of that.

Patten is the correct spelling, yes?

The West coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the DAISY stamp, has the TITLE written across in ONE LINE.

The East coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the TRIANGLE AIM stamp, has the TITLE written across in TWO LINES.

The clever BOOTLEG Capitol copied the original with the titile in two lines, but DOES NOT have the Triangle Aim stamp.

All the above are by Alexander Patten.

The UK original release mispelled his name and released it as Alexander Patton.

One thing that has puzzled me is that I have never seen a DEMO copy, does one exist?

Cant beleive this is still goin`on,so easy whats to understand as above,but the Pattern copy must be Yarkshire pressin`wouldnt mind seein`a scan of that.

TOO RIGHT KEN, JUST CHECK FOR THE MATRIX STAMPS IN THE DEADWAX, END OF STORY

NO USA PROMO OF THIS, JUST LIKE STOLEN HOURS. FOR A BRIEF PERIOD IN MID 66' CAPITOL REFRAINED FROM PUTTIN OUT PROMOS. GOIN' BACK TO ORIGINALS AS HARRY SAID EARLIER, DAISY STAMP, WEST COAST, IAM WITHIN A TRIANGLE STAMP EAST COAST PRESSINGS, SIMPLE REALLY . ANYWAY THINK I'D RATHER KEEP A BRITISH ONE ANYWAY ( ISSUE).

BRI PINCH.

HI,

THIS IS THE RE-ISSUE THE I'VE GOT,

NO DAISY ON THIS ONE,

JOE.

hi,

how much is the re-issue worth nowadays ?.

joe.

Edited January 11, 200817 yr by JOE TORQUAY

Glad you worked the boot issue out hopefully most desirable surely is UK & the most expensive