Posted January 6, 200817 yr If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy? Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++
January 9, 200817 yr If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy? Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++for some strange reason i think the usa copy seems to be worth more,
January 10, 200817 yr Author Where does the Canadian issue fit in with these? Dunno? If we were going to put prices on these, how much for; UK copy US copy Canadian copy All in say VG++ condition
January 10, 200817 yr Dunno? If we were going to put prices on these, how much for; UK copy US copy Canadian copy All in say VG++ condition Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there?
January 10, 200817 yr Author Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there? Is there? How can you tell? What tell-tale signs are there?
January 10, 200817 yr Clever boot on the US copy as well isn't there? yes steve there is. the song title should be in one line. also a tiny daisy matrix in the dead wax. hope that helps.
January 10, 200817 yr Author yes steve there is. the song title should be in one line. also a tiny daisy matrix in the dead wax. hope that helps. the song title should be in one line You sure about this as I've had my import for more than 30 years and the title is on two lines. Not sure about the daisy though, I'll check when I get home.
January 10, 200817 yr Also the spelling of the artist name is different ie patton/patten very clever as with jerry cook i hurt on the other side, correct about the dasy stamp though
January 10, 200817 yr Author Also the spelling of the artist name is different ie patton/patten very clever as with jerry cook i hurt on the other side, correct about the dasy stamp though Patten being the original and Patton being the boot? Correct? Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton? Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original. Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence? Edited January 10, 200817 yr by denbo
January 10, 200817 yr Patten being the original and Patton being the boot? Correct? NO OTHER WAY ROUND MATEY, LOOK FOR THE DASIE STAMP IN THE DEADWAX IF NOT SURE JUST CHECKED THE BOOKS FOR YOU THATS THE INFO THERE GIVING OUT ANYWAY
January 10, 200817 yr Author NO OTHER WAY ROUND MATEY, LOOK FOR THE DASIE STAMP IN THE DEADWAX IF NOT SURE JUST CHECKED THE BOOKS FOR YOU THATS THE INFO THERE GIVING OUT ANYWAY Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton? Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original. Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence?
January 10, 200817 yr Can somebody throw up a scan of the boot with Patton? Still don't believe the proposition that the title should be on one line for it to be an original. Can somebody sustantiate this with proof / evidence? got me info from john manship's boot guide. . and that what it say's mate all on one line.
January 10, 200817 yr YEH got my info from that book aswell, like i said very clever these and duped a lot of people when they first appeared along with jerry cook, think they used the original company blank labels aswell allways look for daisy stamp if not sure
January 10, 200817 yr Author YEH got my info from that book aswell, like i said very clever these and duped a lot of people when they first appeared along with jerry cook, think they used the original company blank labels aswell allways look for daisy stamp if not sure Hang on, correct me if I'm wrong. The original as the title on one line with Patten not Patton c/w a daisy in the runout groove? A boot would therefore have the title on two lines with Patton not Patten without a daisy in the runout groove? What if I've got one with the title on two lines and Patten not Patton without a daisy in the runout groove? Or, better still, one with the title on two lines and Patten not Pattan c/w a daisy in the runout groove?
January 10, 200817 yr Hang on, correct me if I'm wrong. The original as the title on one line with Patten not Patton c/w a daisy in the runout groove? A boot would therefore have the title on two lines with Patton not Patten without a daisy in the runout groove? What if I've got one with the title on two lines and Patten not Patton without a daisy in the runout groove? Or, better still, one with the title on two lines and Patten not Pattan c/w a daisy in the runout groove? Dunno about that mate can only give you info avalable and as i understood it nearly bought a boot myself many years ago luckily my mate interviened and stopped me, according to jm`s price guide and i quote ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMETIME-CAPITOL 5677 [TITLE ON ONE LINE WITH DAISY STAMP] ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMTIME-CAPITOL5677 [TITLE ON TWO LINES WITH "AIM" STAMP] THINK THE KEY IS IN THE ARTIST SPELLING AND THE DEADWAX STAMPS HOPE THIS HELPS
January 10, 200817 yr Original USA Reads. A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXADER PATTEN Bootleg USA Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON Original Canadian Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN Hope this helps.
January 10, 200817 yr Original USA Reads. A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXADER PATTEN Bootleg USA Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON Original Canadian Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN Hope this helps. And of course as ive said check your deadwax stamps as my last reply-good luck
January 10, 200817 yr Author Dunno about that mate can only give you info avalable and as i understood it nearly bought a boot myself many years ago luckily my mate interviened and stopped me, according to jm`s price guide and i quote ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMETIME-CAPITOL 5677 [TITLE ON ONE LINE WITH DAISY STAMP] ALEXANDER PATTON-A LIL LOVIN SOMTIME-CAPITOL5677 [TITLE ON TWO LINES WITH "AIM" STAMP] THINK THE KEY IS IN THE ARTIST SPELLING AND THE DEADWAX STAMPS HOPE THIS HELPS Should that be Patton? Or Patten? Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean?
January 10, 200817 yr Should that be Patton? Or Patten? Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean? According to jm`s book wich i`m reading patton has also been booted without the AIM stamp, havn`t got the bootlegg guide to hand but there is a big write up in there about maybe a quick pm to john manship may clear this up for you
January 10, 200817 yr Original USA Reads. A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXADER PATTEN Bootleg USA Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN or PATTON Original Canadian Reads A LIL LOVIN' SOMETIMES ALEXANDER PATTEN Hope this helps. Really ? Or is this a spelling mistake on your part ?
January 10, 200817 yr Really ? Or is this a spelling mistake on your part ? Agreed dave i was thinking along the same lines as you, maybe wrong though
January 10, 200817 yr Author According to jm`s book wich i`m reading patton has also been booted without the AIM stamp, havn`t got the bootlegg guide to hand but there is a big write up in there about maybe a quick pm to john manship may clear this up for you Does the book spell the artist as Patton or Patten?
January 10, 200817 yr Should that be Patton? Or Patten? Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean? It's PATTON on my UK demo. I think it reads PATTEN on both US Original and US Boot (from memory). Sean
January 10, 200817 yr It's PATTON on my UK demo. I think it reads PATTEN on both US Original and US Boot (from memory). Sean I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit. The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy. To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON.
January 10, 200817 yr Author I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit. The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy. To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON. Aaaarrrrrrrgh!!!!!!
January 10, 200817 yr Easily the rarest issue of Alexander Patton is its appearance on a 12" LP sampler (playing at 33rpm) Capitol issued to radio stations in the US in 1966, of which I am the proud owner No argument about legitimacy on these LP's ! They issued these various artists LP's periodically through the mid 60's. Soul tracks mixed with country pop and rock artists. Complete versions of the songs with no editing whatsoever and sound reproduction far better than even the original issue 45's !!! I have others with Bobby Paris "I Walked Away" , one with Patrice Holloway "Stolen Hours" , another with HB Barnum's "Heartbreaker" and one with the Checkmates "Kissin Her and Cryin for You" , and Frank Polk "Tryin To Keep Up With The Joneses" !!!!! Who'd have thought these tracks would appeared in 12" form at their time of issue in the 60's and a major label like Capitol did in fact try to break these tracks back then.
January 10, 200817 yr Aaaarrrrrrrgh!!!!!! Sorry about that Denbo but it was important that you knew about this!
January 10, 200817 yr Author Have pm`d john manship to ask if he can clear this up Good stuff. Let me know what transpires.
January 10, 200817 yr Good stuff. Let me know what transpires. By the way garnett mimms lp came out on two labels, with mispelt credits
January 10, 200817 yr Author By the way garnett mimms lp came out on two labels, with mispelt credits You're kiddin' right? If not, do you mean the UK label release?
January 10, 200817 yr You're kiddin' right? If not, do you mean the UK label release? Yeh only kidding matey, just trying to ease your mind a bit, these things do your head in when you can`t get a solution
January 10, 200817 yr Author Yeh only kidding matey, just trying to ease your mind a bit, these things do your head in when you can`t get a solution It's no bloody wonder I used to collect UK labels ONLY.
January 10, 200817 yr It's no bloody wonder I used to collect UK labels ONLY. Know what you mean mate, best one ever was i once asked about john & the wierdest bootleggs on TIE RECORDS different widths of run out grooves only by millimeters and other stuff blew my head to bits
January 10, 200817 yr I seem to recall that even the Capitol original was mis spelt... and the Capitol Boot followed suit. The UK "Soul Sounds" boot reads PATTON - probably because the detail was copied from the UK Capitol copy. To complicate matters further, his US Duo Disc 45 reads PATTON. Great record tho`,part of my miss-spelt youth
January 10, 200817 yr If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy? Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++ easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue. SHEEP
January 10, 200817 yr easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue. SHEEP Yep!..........UK Demo`s are very scarce but the issues are dog rare!
January 10, 200817 yr Yep!..........UK Demo`s are very scarce but the issues are dog rare! DEAD RIGHT
January 10, 200817 yr easy one this the Uk copy is far rarer than the US copy, especially the stock issue. SHEEP UK Copy (issue) for Sale here! Yet another spelling! https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...c=63693&hl=
January 10, 200817 yr For your info, His promo pics spell it Patton and he signs as this. (LA 2004 ) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1933...mp;id=578878947 Regards David ps i was gonna move my UK issue on and keep UK DJ? May have to rethink!?
January 10, 200817 yr Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean?
January 10, 200817 yr Patten is the correct spelling, yes? That quote from Manship's book could mean that both are originals, just that the one with title on one line has a daisy stamp, whilst the one with the title on two lines has an AIM stamp. What does the AIM mean? The West coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the DAISY stamp, has the TITLE written across in ONE LINE. The East coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the TRIANGLE AIM stamp, has the TITLE written across in TWO LINES. The clever BOOTLEG Capitol copied the original with the titile in two lines, but DOES NOT have the Triangle Aim stamp. All the above are by Alexander Patten. The UK original release mispelled his name and released it as Alexander Patton. Cant beleive this is still goin`on,so easy whats to understand as above,but the Pattern copy must be Yarkshire pressin`wouldnt mind seein`a scan of that.
January 10, 200817 yr Patten is the correct spelling, yes? The West coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the DAISY stamp, has the TITLE written across in ONE LINE. The East coast ORIGINAL Capitol with the TRIANGLE AIM stamp, has the TITLE written across in TWO LINES. The clever BOOTLEG Capitol copied the original with the titile in two lines, but DOES NOT have the Triangle Aim stamp. All the above are by Alexander Patten. The UK original release mispelled his name and released it as Alexander Patton. One thing that has puzzled me is that I have never seen a DEMO copy, does one exist?
January 10, 200817 yr Cant beleive this is still goin`on,so easy whats to understand as above,but the Pattern copy must be Yarkshire pressin`wouldnt mind seein`a scan of that. TOO RIGHT KEN, JUST CHECK FOR THE MATRIX STAMPS IN THE DEADWAX, END OF STORY
January 11, 200817 yr NO USA PROMO OF THIS, JUST LIKE STOLEN HOURS. FOR A BRIEF PERIOD IN MID 66' CAPITOL REFRAINED FROM PUTTIN OUT PROMOS. GOIN' BACK TO ORIGINALS AS HARRY SAID EARLIER, DAISY STAMP, WEST COAST, IAM WITHIN A TRIANGLE STAMP EAST COAST PRESSINGS, SIMPLE REALLY . ANYWAY THINK I'D RATHER KEEP A BRITISH ONE ANYWAY ( ISSUE). BRI PINCH.
January 11, 200817 yr HI, THIS IS THE RE-ISSUE THE I'VE GOT, NO DAISY ON THIS ONE, JOE. hi, how much is the re-issue worth nowadays ?. joe. Edited January 11, 200817 yr by JOE TORQUAY
January 11, 200817 yr Glad you worked the boot issue out hopefully most desirable surely is UK & the most expensive
If I was going to sell one of my Alexander Pattens, which would fetch the most money, my UK copy or my US copy?
Both are issues and both about the same condition, which is strong VG++