Geoff

This was the ender at Walls Of Heartache last month, quite a few of us were gliding aroung to it, nice record. I love the Buddy Smith When You Lose The One You Love, played at Luton and TOS. Also Bobby Bennett's Alone With My Tears, great track. Personally like the Gil Bernal version of Poor Boy. However none of these are dead slow, you can still shuffle around to them. In my dim and distant youth slow soul records were played in clubs, almost deep soul, but you would get into a clinch with your girlfriend, maybe rock back and forth. Two that spring to mind are You'll Want Me Back by the Impressions and Such Is Love Such Is Life by the Miracles. It seems that dancing with a girl is rather frowned on nowadays.

I prefer Bobby Bland's version. I would think either version could be played, probably at the start of an evening when filling the dance floor isn't essential.

Thanks for all the replies. It seems the Marine Lodge is full, certainly no single rooms left, couldn't get through to the Clarence or Blyth House, I will try again, but has anyone got any other recommendations? Any help appreciated.

Some truth in that statement. I will watch the series when it is shown, hope it is at a reasonably convenient time as I can't seem to video from the digital stations. As others have said, better than some of the stuff on TV, I was beginning to think I was alone in disliking the celebrity, etc programmes. My opinion is that it would be easier to do a history of soul music in the UK in the form of a radio series. For TV, you've always got to have film of what they are talking about, therefore no film, not much to say, whereas in a sound only format, records can be played, interviews, reminiscences, etc. While you wouldn't see films of Northern dancing, which is of interest to us I guess, and amusement to non soulies, you would hopefully get intelligent discussion of the music, its growth, stylistic progression, etc. And it could cover the different scenes in the north and south, etc. It would be more scholarly, sort of thing that would fit on Radio 3. No point pretending that we are not a minority group musically speaking. This is just my opinion of course, I may be in a minority of 1. I missed the first ASADAN series, with the exception of the last programme, did that cover the history of NS, from the Twisted Wheel onwards, or did Stuart Maconie just play records and chat about them? If anyone has got them on tape or other format would be interested in hearing them.

I've booked to go to Soul Essence in Great Yarmouth in April, can anyone on Soul Source recommend a decent B&B fairly near to the Raynscourt Hotel, that won't mind me creeping in some time early in the morning. Looks like I'll be on my own so will need single room.

Personally I prefer Jimmy Radcliffe's original of My Ship Is Coming In. The Walker Brothers didn't do bad versions of the songs they covered, but I prefer the originals, e.g. Gene McDaniels' Another Tear Falls, etc. The original version of Love Her is by the Everly Brothers, b side of The Girl Sang The Blues; the Walkers version of Love Her is good, haven't heard the Everlys version for a long time, can't really remember if it is better, I know I liked it when I heard it.

Glad it wasn't my imagination about Help Me. JB Lenoir was played after its issue as a single on Sue, I've got it on an LP called This Is Blues. She's Mine was the one played, thanks for reminding me.

I think Sonny Terry / Brownie McGhee might be a bit too bluesy, and acoustic, for a Northern set. Might be okay for a "proper" R&B night, would have to ask the experts on that genre what they think. However I heard a John Lee Hooker track played at These Old Shoes once, naturally can't remember the name of the DJ; the track itself was not Boom Boom or Dimples. And in the dim and distant past, bluesy R&B records were played next door to early soul and Motown. One that I particularly remember is J B Lenoir's I Sing Um The Way I Feel, certainly an acoustic track. Help Me always reminds me of Green Onions by Booker T, but that might just be my imagination.

First time I heard this was at Soul In The City when it was at the Old Blue Last in Great Eastern Street, heard so many tracks that were new to me, a total revelation. I always like to hear this one, so if you can put it in your playbox Martin and play it for me, you would have at least one happy customer on Wednesday.

I remember the Flamingo all nighters, didn't know they started in 62. The Scene and La Discotheque in Soho had all nighters from 63 onwards; the former was almost completely black music, i.e. rhythm and blues, early soul and a bit of Bluebeat (ska). La Discotheque played some pop records. Both aimed at a clientele of Mods. Not sure if the Roaring Twenties had all nighters. I'd always associated all nighters with soul and R&B; seemed the ideal place to hear it. Were the jazz all nighters modern jazz or trad?

I'd go along with the posts so far. As far as I'm concerned nearly all good things about the soul scene. I know that I can go along to an event by myself and have a good time, usually meet someone I know, but I've found people are generally friendly, or at least don't give you any hassle. I love the music, nearly all styles, and haven't lost my taste for hearing a new sound (or at least new to me), despite the fact that I am probably one of the older people on the scene. I've made so many good friends since coming back on the scene after a very long absence, wish I'd done it years sooner, but it certainly enhanced my life. Initially my wife wasn't so keen, guess she thought I was out on the pull, she must have looked at me with rose coloured spectacles. However when she started coming out with me, on the principle of, if you can't beat them join them, she enjoyed it very much and made plenty of friends. And when I lost her last year, the friends I've got helped me get through things. I can never thank them enough for that, not sure how I would have coped without the soul scene. Everyone of us can find something to moan about, but let's be positive, we are very lucky to have the soul scene: sex, age, race, sexual orientation, etc doesn't matter, it is a place for adults (of all ages) to have a good time. People are usually very willing to discuss the records played, and generally happy to pass on their knowledge, and often CDs, tapes, etc. We are lucky to have it, long may it continue.

I think Carol King's real surname was Klein.

Thanks for posting these 2 tracks, really liked them. Only thing I've got against them is that I'd start dancing and after 3 and a half minutes might have to be carried off the dance floor. Seriously though very good indeed.

Lesley used to say it was toys for boys.

Happy to say I've got all the TOS CDs thanks to John Stubbs. Excellent, as I missed the first couple of years of it, so helped me to catch up. Always enjoy CDs from clubs, they generally give a feel for the music played there, and often you get tracks otherwise unavailable to the general public. Remember Ady Lupton playing Marian Stewart's I Must Be Losing You at the CSC at the Dome, and being over the moon the next morning to discover it on the club's CD.

Nice set Kenny, particularly liked Timi Yuro, Masqueraders and Porgy & The Monarchs. Latter group made some good records imo. Has If It's For Real ever been played out, or is it too slow?

Hi Tone, Thanks for the info about the Four Lovers, never actually heard any of their records, but I think the Seasons recorded Apple Of My Eye on an early LP. Apologies for mistake on Silence Is Golden. I think the b side of Dawn is No Surfing Today, a death disc, and one I used to like. Can't check as I've only got Dawn on LP, no b side. I really do like Frankie & the Seasons, one of the greatest 60s groups imo.

Dawn is just a great pop record, with a good b side, original version of Silence Is Golden, miles better than Tremeloes. Frankie and the Four Seasons made some great pop records in the 60s, very popular in the clubs I frequented. And their LPs were full of old doowop songs, they were originally a doowop group in the 50s, can't remember the name, I think their hit was Apple Of My Eye or similar. Never heard of Wendall Parker.

Thanks for the info Simon, just looked on the Manship site, this one isn't available unfortunately, must say I really like it.

Some of the tracks you mention Steve were played at These Old Shoes, which while concentrating on rare/Northern, had all the feel of a "proper" sixties soul club. Would the description you are looking for be Club Soul, as my definition of that would include the stuff you refer to? Back in April, Martin RBMan kindly invited me to join him in a session at Bar 12 in Hatfield, which was a sixties and Motown evening, basically club soul. I did CD-Rs (shock, horror) and tried to use slightly lesser known tracks by well known singers, but the people there wanted the songs they knew. Nice to hear that sort of material, but from a personal point of view, I heard all the biggies from that era (early/mid/late) sixties at the time. It might end up with continual requests for "play something we know", e.g. In The Midnight Hour, I Can't Help Myself, etc. While I didn't take part in the Northern scene in the 70s, I understand that the Atlantic / Stax type records were dropped from playlists after the Twisted Wheel, is that right? So it might be nice to hear some of the lesser known records in that style out in a club. I used to dance to them then, so could now I imagine. I've noticed Loretta Williams' Baby Cakes on a few playlists lately. I remember that one from when it was issued (65/66). Others that might be nice to hear again at the sort of night you hope for might include: William Bell - Don't Stop Now (played by Nogsy at the CSC); Monkeyin' Around Billy Young - The Sloopy Tommy Duncan - Dance Dance Dance Impressions - It's All Right; Talking About My Baby; You Must Believe Me, etc. Major Lance - Monkey Time (still a fantastic dance record imo) Derek Martin - Daddy Rolling Stone Solomon Burke - Got To Get You Off My Mind Rufus Thomas - Willy Nilly; anything off the Walking The Dog LP Miracles - That Groovy Thing James Ray - If you gotta make a fool of somebody Vibrations - My Girl Sloopy Shirley Ellis - The nitty gritty; The name game; The clapping song Jackie Ross - Selfish one; Jerk and twine Larks - The jerk Blendells - La la la la la la Cannibal & The Headhunters - Land of a thousand dances Betty Everett & Jerry Butler - Ain't that loving you baby Sorry some of these are pretty well known but brain is slow today. However you get the picture, don't hear many of them at a Northern night (unless I'm DJing, lol). There are loads of lesser known stuff. It's an interesting idea, actually might get a few people in who are not on the Northern scene, but like soul music, but don't know where to go hear it, people in their 40s or 50s. Obviously have to be advertised. You're over my neck of the woods Steve, perhaps a soul night for Cheshunt or Enfield?

Like this one, has a sort of Lou Rawls feel. I think that Arthur Prysock was around from the 50s onwards, heard a few nice Modernish tracks by him, nothng remotely Northern. I assume this is a 70s recording, details if possible, is he still around?

Also by Arthur Alexander (from the same era as You Better Move On), how about Go Home Girl, Where Have You Been, Anna and Soldier Of Love? Last 2 were covered by the Beatles in their early period of fame. But I don't suppose any have been played at a Northern night, but were played out in the early/mid 60s.

Don't think I ever saw him live, didn't bother that much with British acts, preferred to wait till the Americans toured, just a personal preference. What I do remember about Geno was that he seemed to do loads of Atlantic or Stax material, and always faster than the record, though to be fair so did the American artistes when they toured. I assume I must have heard his albums or him on the radio. Liked Michael and She Shot A Hole In My Soul, but preferred the originals. These are my memories, but it was a long time ago, lot of water under the bridge since then. I don't want to be unfair to him but this was how I recall it. I remember seeing Herbie Goins at the Flamingo in 1965, he was good. Not so keen on Jimmy James. I do remember some people in my class at the LCP raving over the Action's version of I'll Keep Holding On, and being criticised for preferring the Marvelettes, oh well each to their own.

Thanks for posting Old Man River, good version.