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Uh-Oh ! Trev, fantastic and thanks 4 that ! That makes sense. So they pressed the promos (and the stockers) and maybe didn't distributed them promos (I have never seen one out there) but instead decided to commercialize it on Philips and so covered up the Blue Rock promos they had with Philips labels. Mystery solved and so OK; Blue Rock is first and Philips is second.

Have you seen them ? I have never. Heard about it, that's all ! Wondered if it was not another myth... If that is proven indeed, I'll just leave understand that the Blue Rock was first.

Thanks for those paper clips Russel. Indeed, things seems to be much more complicated than we can only try to speculate... even rationally ! Here's what 'globaldogproductions' makes out of the Blue Rock discography and look at the dates of issues ?! Chronology becomes something of nonsense... unless it's all made up...

That's what I said. The 3 Philips (Teresa, Big Frank and London) were released in March 1965. While the Big Frank on Blue Rock is definitely issued between March and May 1965... The Johnnie Mae Matthews was a fair hit and was issued in March 1965 just before Big Franks and both following Blue Rock singles were issued in May 1965. So we are still without factual evidence that the Philips was first, but all evidences leads that way.

Following you too Russ, but in this case I don't know if the twist would make sense. The production of Philips was bigger than the Blue Rock one but, the 3 on Philips here were issued in March 1965. While for the Blue Rock, only Johnnie Mae Matthews was issued in March 1965, Big Franck I don't know and the Triplets was issued in May 1965. And there you have a bigger time gap to slide in a change of label to target the public better. Even though, most copies I've seen had cuts and so it wasn't such a good seller I believe. But maybe someone out there knows better for facts. One other thing, there's no promo of both the Philips and the Blue Rock release, I know this happens for different reasons but in this case, it's only the Big Franks that don't get it. Both the ones before and after did got promo releases !

I kind of always thought, heard and read that the Blue Rock release was prior to the Philips one. I remember an old topic here about the glued on Blue Rock labels with Philips ones over theories... Here I go; with a closer inspection I come to understand that the Philips was actually first and the Blue Rock second but by very little bits... Anyone knows better ? The matrix number tells this; Blue Rock B-4011 is YW1-35244, now B-4012 is YW1-34872 (decreasing !!!) & B-4013 is YW1-35248 (increasing !!!) where for the Philips it's all chronological, most logically; 40282 is PHW1-34179, 40283 is PHW1-34872 and 40284 is PHW1-35355 !!!

It depends if the seller on Discogs put a photo of his actual copy or the one from the Discogs "collection". The golden styrene press is the better one IMHO. It has strings that suits the tune and give it more depth somehow. Also I've only seen promos of the styrene one. Which indicate that they were the first pressed. The yellow label version is on vinyl and don't have the strings !!!

Top condition of this real soul double sider ! This is the much rarer and collectable promo. One scuff at 12 O'clock on 'A' side. Soundlip and scans from actual record for sale. wilson pickett.mp3 PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- !!! SOLD !!! £70 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered

If you don't know this, just listen ! No description needed. Superb condition on a rare red stock copy. Scans and sound clip from actual record for sale eldridge holmes.mp3 PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- £65 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered

What do(es) you (that) mean Mal ? 'to choose' is the only non 45 edited track from the LP but what a tune !

Looking for this on a WDJ only. I already have a blue stocker. So if you have on to go, PM me your price please. Cheers, Tim

Auction ended at $147.50 !!! Not even advertised as a reissue (bootleg) again... Oh and by the way, it's the same seller/auctioner as the Frank Beverley Fairmount bootleg; /forums/topic/346255-frank-beverley-re-issue/

this bootleg variation uses the label/design/fonts of the styrene promo and issue while the original vinyl editions were using totally different label designs and fonts from different pressing plants; Hence the last one here is a Chicago press and it's the only one not mentioning the Vee-Jay distribution thing... while they were pressed there !

Overall a nice Vg+++ due to some marks and scuffs on the styrene and a name written on label and light wear. Often trashier than this or much more expensive nowadays. Scans and sound clip of both sides all the way through from actual record for sale. pat lewis.mp3 PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- £35 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered

Much rarer and better looking W/DJ of this copy that on stock where some of the stockers have a major vinyl quality issue; pffff... all the way through. Ex copy ! Scans and sound clip of both sides all the way through from actual record for sale. b b king.mp3 PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- £20 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered

That's good !!! Was thinking to do the same after the seller didn't reply to my last PM which felt like he was admitting the fact that his description was a cheat somehow.

So I contacted him with this message; 'You should mention in your item description that this is not an original press (hence I don't mention (the B**T word) what it is exactly or eBay will retrieve this auction) and contact all actual bidders so they can revise their bids accordingly.' He replied politely as Marc Forrest just did here above. Then I answered him but no answer yet to this; 'OK, now I've read it (top & bottom) but you have to read close and search for it. A bit like those tiny characters on the label of a beverage that they don't want you to read. Do you believe that those high bidders have read that ? It's a cheap b**t that doesn't command more than $25 everyday of the year.'

That WTF !

And ?

Only in title and not even a complete word does not qualify as a description for me: RARE NORTHERN SOUL 45 - FRANKIE BEVERLY - BECAUSE OF MY HEART Re HEAR

Wow !!! I've just contacted the seller and advise him to revise this item description properly.

Yellow Ambassador indeed:

Purchased "blind" the other day without giving it a spin to check it's condition since it looks Vg+++. Back home with the accomplice to listen to what he bought and I bought, this early bluesy and R'n'B double sider by Johnny Sayles turns out to play Constellation 112 Gene Chandler 'think nothing about it' b/w 'wish you were here'. If you collect the odd stuff, this is one of them. Either way it sells or it'll go back to the shop where it came from... PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- £12 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered

Ray Barretto contemporary Belgian issue to the 1968 Fania USA one. Thick vinyl that sounds as good as a golden Fania one. Art sleeve is missing. Ex copy that plays strong as it can. Sorry, but I'm currently unable to do sound clip at the moment. PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- !!! SOLD !!! £20 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered ______________________________________________________ Classic on it's rarer first label before the Yew pick-up. Visualy VG+ only but it plays amazingly strong. Better than it looks. Sorry, but I'm currently unable to do a sound clip. PM me for details. Gradings used are M/Ex/Vg... through +/- !!! SOLD !!! £20 free P&P all over the world - add £6 to have it registered

Which one Chris ?