There in a nutshell is the problem. When most people on here started they were not worried about OVO etc, it was something that was cool/dangerous and to some, not all, where they could listen to sounds that not many others new. For the majority who venture out now that is what, in their minds at least, they want to recreate. What about today's scene makes youngsters want to get involved when they can find these things elsewhere, especially when a few clicks on a PC can deliver the same music in their front room. They live in a world that is vastly different from the one we grew up in.