Chalky

Not sure why there is debate about the best Under My Thumb on a site for soul music, might have been massive in the mid 70s but all the versions are crap.

Excellent reading as always Ken. I had a conversation with Paul Trefzger some years ago via email, I will see if I can find then and look if they have anything to add.

Just in case some are having trouble here is the list, hope you don't mind Tommy, might make it easier for some? AKIM & THE TEDDY VAV PROD. Santa Claus is a black man Simtone Blue issue ASHFORD, NICK Dead end kids ABC ATLANTIC STARR Stand up A&M BALLARD, HANK How You Gonna Get Respect (When You Haven't Cut Your Process Yet) King BARNUM, H.B. Three rooms with running water Imperial BELL, ARCHIE & THE DRELLS A soldier's prayer Ovide BELL, ARCHIE & THE DRELLS Dog eat dog Ovide BEY, SLOAN Look at your brother Jonah BRICEREST, SONNY I am ashamed of you Azetta BROWN, OTIS & THE DELIGHTS Southside Chicago Ole CORNISH, CHUCK A tribute to Mohammed Ali White cliffs DILLARD, MOSES & TEX TOWN We gotta come together Shout DUHON, JAMES KELLY Pusher man Jude ROBERTA FL. & DONNY HAT. Be Real Black For Me Atlantic FOXX, INEZ & CHARLIE Fellows in Vietnam Dynamo Red issue GREENLEE, BABY DAVE We need love Steelcity GUY, BILLY Hug one another All Platinum HARRELL, VERNE Muhammad Ali Brunswick HAYES, BARNIE Tribute to a black woman Double soul HOLCOLM, MANUEL & HIS BAND This generation pt. 1 Diamond Jim IMPRESSIONS, THE Keep on pushing ABC JACKSON, JIM Welcome me home Sandbag KNIGHT BROTHERS Ghetto Joe Mercury THOMAS, LEON Love each other Flying Dutchman McDANIELS, EUGENE Tell me Mr. President Atlantic MIGHTY HANNIBAL Hymn No. 5 Shurfine MOONLIGHTERS, THE Right on brother Lamp NASH, JOHNNY Deep In The Heart Of HarlemGroove NU PAGE When the brothers come marching home Mowest PAUL, BILLY People power PIR RAWLS, LOU The politician MGM ROGERS, WILLIE Wake up Ronn Ronn issue SIMONE, NINA Why? (the king of love is dead) RCA SLY & THE FAMILY STONE Underdog Epic Yellow issue STARR, EDWIN Stop the war now Gordy Big font SYREETA Black maybe MoWest TAYLOR, BOBBY Queen of the ghetto Tommy THOMAS, TIMMY Cold, cold people Glades TRIPLETT TWINS, THE Black sensuous girl Jay Pee VAN DYKES, THE No man is a Island Mala HUE label JACKSON, HAROLD & JACK. BRO The freedom riders Edsel BRIMMER, CHARLES Black is beautiful Broadmoor HEAT, AUGUST He's A Black Man P1 Tarx HARLEM CHILDREN'S CHORUS Black Christmas Commonwealth COVAY, DON Rumble in the jungle Mercury BLACK BLOOD I Gotta Change My Name Black Blood ANDERSON, KIP Letter From My Darling Excello MEL AND TIM Mail Call Time Bamboo REVEALERS, THE They Had A Party At The Watergate Paramount GRANNUM, AL Why Is It? A & G Yellow issueROBINSON, SYLVIA Have You Had Any Lately? Stang JOYCELYN Soldier In Saigon Part One Knite Life ARMOUR, LAURENCE Throw The Guns In The RiverKarmoura POETS, THE Soul Brothers Holiday Veep Yellow issue BARNUM, H. B. I'm A Man Capitol CHARLES, SONNY Welfare Man A&M EMOTIONS, THE Black Christmas Volt BEVEL, CHARLES Black Santa Claus A&M EBONYS, THE Nation Time PIR CORNISH, CHUCK Blue Eye Brother And Soul Get Along (Part I) SSS BENTON, BROOK Soul Santa Cotillion MONITORS, THE Step By Step (Hand In Hand) Soul LEE, TOMMY & THE AUTOGRA Wake Up Young People Tri-spade SIDNEY, COUNT & HIS DUKES Soul Christmas Goldband WHATNAUTS, THE Message From A Black Man A&I STYLISTICS, THE Let the junkie bust the pusher Avco (First press,bef. dist. By All Plat) BROWN, JAMES Soul Power King WONDER, STEVIE You haven't done nothing Tamla

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Yes I realise that too. I presume the backing vocals and bongos are easy enough to add to existing tapes? Guess we will never know for sure what really happened.

I’ve not listened that closely on a decent system. There could be more than one take on the tapes as well. If it was re-recorded then they must have had some faith in the group to take them from Miami to Nashville.

Should be able to copy the link at Ace.. https://www.acerecords.co.uk/docs/CDTOP_531/CDTOP_531-1-5.mp3

It's hardly a new discovery... not that good either

Thanks George for confirming Dante’s source, good to know. so either the group went with Ernie to Abet and re-recorded the track or the tapes did and they were remixed?

No mate, it’s the gang who served some time at her majesty’s pleasure a few years ago

It is a bootleg. I'll give you one guess who owned the "company"

Someone edited the discogs entry from both Demon Hot and The Parisians and has them both as out of Florida? I wonder where they got that info from? They sound like the same group to me as the Traditions.

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Two podcasts in this link I put together of Jimmy's plays from the Stafford era. https://www.soulunderground.co.uk/TheStaffordStory/GeorgeAndJimmy/

Many on here may not know Jimmy, many will probably have not heard him DJ but in his day Jimmy had a set to rival anyone. Hailing from Mansfield he amassed one of the best collections of any, most in mint condition, he was meticulous about the condition. In the mid 80s he was a resident at Rock City and he also became part of the line up at Stafford when Gary Rushbrooke retired. He went on to promote his own all-nighter alongside Rob Marriott at the Swan in Mansfield. He was a resident at Tony's in Blackburn under Guy Hennigan's Soultown banner, possibly one of the finest line ups of any all-nighter. He had a great sense of humour, very witty. He was very knowledgeable and extremely likeable and was highly respected by most who kn ew him. He always appeared to be a reluctant Dj in my eyes and never really pushed himself like others. In around 1987 he put his collection up for sale which caused a stampede by many collectors chasing the gems he had. He largely turned his back one the scene to pursue other business interests including his fairground rides to be found on Thorsby Sunday Market. News of his death was passed on by Rob Wigley who said it was confirmed by someone who worked with or near Jimmy, details are very sketchy. R.I.P. Jimmy Rock City A -team, Jimmy on the left. You can listen to one of Jimmy's sets at Blackburn in this mix

Another sad loss 😢 Lucky enough to have seen her twice, The Wilton where she was just fantastic and again 18 months or so ago in Bilbao, again just brilliant despite the advancing years. R.I.P. and thank you for the music.

One born every minute. Ruined a decent original acetate by the looks of it. Its looks like a genuine Atlantic acetate with the Temptones cut on the blank flip, what a waste of a collectable piece.

Are you after record label releases or home-made tapes?

Anyone got a link to the temptones emi?

It is probably a cheaper option than having their own website?

I agree it is Djs. They probably think there is some sort of authenticity to them if they are old. You can get two sides cut for £20/£30 so why spend more?

But my point is what happened then bears no resemblance to now. EMI discs of rare records of were always played. A one off at the time was cut and played at Stafford because the collector who owned the original didn’t want to sell but the dancers weren’t deprived of the record. BITD a bootleg would kill a current play, nowadays just about every record is bootlegged or cut without damage to the originals status.

Back in the day records were genuinely scarce and yes cuts were made and given out to Djs to break a sound. Today there is no need whatsoever to play anything other than an original as copies of most of the big rare records are with the DJs. If you can’t do it properly don’t bother at all, there are enough out there who can. I can’t believe we still having this discussion these days, it’s been done to death.