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Someone must have John's boot guide? I thought the original Soultown release was kinda pink/purple colour. Im not sure though. ROD

it was "Bonehead", the drummer from Oasis who bought NS 45s. Didn't have a clue who he was until someone told me. Also the lead singer with B52's collects. He spent quite a bit on cheapies one dull afternoon ROD

No idea how much this is worth but they're beach records,specially made to have the right beat for dancing so I suppose a US "tailor-made". There are hundreds of these records ,some better than others, but to me a kinda artistic straight-jacket. ROD

"She's fire". I was at Wigan when Jonathon had Frank Wilson with him one night. He was with Dave Raistrick. He wanted £500 then. No idea when it was. No idea when I sold Baines either but it was masive at the time. ROD

I don't know about Wigan dying in '75. My memory isn't foolproof but I'd guess that '75 was somewhere around the time when 45s really started to get rare and very exclusive and Anderson was supplying Richard first. Yes there were pop records like the Seeds. Bloody great pop record!!! I heard pop records all over,not only at Wigan. Del-tours,Combinations,Executive IV,John&Wierdest etc were all post'75 weren't they. Perhaps Chrissie explains why these 45s seem to get played now as some didn't hear them at the time. Some nights it was empty-ish but in the record bar it was always enjoyable and interesting. I know that's not much consolation if you're into the dancing and need a buzzing atmosphere. When it was empty Richard would play more of what he just got and less to the floor so it was IMO fresher too. I went to the first night and to the last [several times!!] and I enjoyed every one of them. ROD

I sold a couple of Vickie Baines at Wigan for £100 each back when it was being played. That was a lot then so could be. One of buyers was a big tall guy but no idea who he was but he only bought "big" 45s. Not seen him for years so I guess he dropped off. Someone may remember him on here. I bought CODs off Richard for £100 in maybe 80/81 but that was £100 worth of 12"s and 70's. That's not what you're thinking of is it Chalky. Also wasn't there some rumour about Richard Temple selling for £80 back in very early 70's. ROD

Re Chandler 45,I saw that too but if you look at bids you'll see three guys willing to pay $90 for it. Great 45 but £8-10. As regards £60-75 for Bobby Taylor,daylight robbery. Common 45 and Ok bit of demand so £15 fair price. ROD

I got a 45 today. $10 postage charge. Actual price $4.50. 45 was cheap [i think] $16 for "Ooh Baby" Carla WDJ but that is still taking the mick. Didn't leave bad feedback but rated seller "Very unreasonable" on P&P. What else can you do but put it down to another knobhead in the long line of knobheads that you have to deal with in this game. ROD

I will start you off if you like with a bid of £450 for JT Rhythm. I don't think the other 45 is worth anything as I have that and from my experience it's only 45s I DONT have that are actually worth money. ROD

Surely the only Tammi 45 worth this kinda money is her duet with Martvin Gaye currently setting the dance floors alight. ROD

I don't think there is an answer Steve other than give the allnighters a miss in Autumn/Winter if you need to keep going outside for a smoke. Im in the same boat and since the ban I ain't been out to a club or even a pub [miserable wet Summer with nowhere to smoke]. I think our only hope is that some kinda re-think is undertaken at a later date and certain places are allowed to opt in or opt out of the ban. Can't be too much to ask for the odd pub or venue to be "smoking" as long as any staff employed there are aware of it. If there is to be a review I guess it would be on economic grounds with the big Breweries leading the way. Lost count of the number of pubs up for sale or lease around here and my wife mentioned she'd heard on Radio 4 that up to 100 Bingo Halls were facing closure. So no advice really. We're fcuked!!! ROD

I know Vnicepce was floating the notion that Northern has no need of guardians of tradition and as Dave T. pointed out earlier over the years more modern and funkier sounds have found a place under the Northern banner but I think now and again there have been corrections when the balance got out of kilter. It's not been down to a single Ayatollah as suggested by Vnicepe but a general consensus albeit sometimes instigated by a vocal minority. As evidence I would point to the demise of the pop "Wigan" [altho played everywhere at the time] stomper, the divorce of the latter "jazz-funk" days of the Mecca from the mainstream Northern scene, and the influence of the 60's Mafia at Stafford in reaction to what seemed at the time wall-to-wall 70's and 80's records. I think today we are seeing another correction in venues such as Burnley and Lifeline perhaps[not been so don't know directly] against across the board and safe oldies do's which is a move back to the ethos of playing newer records in a predominantly 60's style. I have no idea if "funk" is being played as I personally haven't heard any but Im sure there is no large scale fifth-column pushing that agenda. I heard Mr Trouble at Sunderland some months back and if Willie J and Gene Chandler are the signs of things to come, then we've already been there. I think in it's right place and right mix funk can be just as exciting as Northern. Im sure Grumpyfella if he's reading this thread can confirm I got a funk set together back in the early 90's and my ex-partner did the actual dj-ing at club "Home" in Manchester mainly, playing the usual Whitney,Byrd, JB productions but throwing in the Vibrettes,Al Trahan,Shades of Time,June X, Carleen & Groovers [sure it was that blue/white label?], the funky Jazz, Hip-Hop, and the funkier grooves like Sisters Love. I went to a couple of events and the places were rocking BUT I wouldn't imagine any of it would have fitted in with a Northern night and to be honest I didn't feel that the funkier Northern would have fitted in there either. So I don't think any further dilution of the scene from that direction is on the cards. To answer Vnicepe's doubts about R&B taking over some years back. I was at an all-dayer in Earby,near Burnley about 5 years ago doing the small alternate room and whenever I ventured into the main room frequently to go to the bar all I heard was 70's oldies and R&B. There was IMO a danger of the 60's being sidelined again but now most venues have a seperate R&B room. ROD

I know what you mean but I don't think this guy falls in that bracket. No hype, was there? And no, you stay in your room, and get those bloody video games picked up, put your washing in the basket where it goes and take those dirty dishes down. ROD

Hey cut the guy some slack!! OK he hasn't got a clue but we all have to start somewhere. There's a 45 on OFFER on this site now that's got to be the most common Northern 60's 45 in existence, and that seller hasn't come in for as much stick; well,apart from myself anyway. On reflection reading this thread I may have been unfair on him as I don't suppose he spent most of the 90's wading through thousands of 45s in the USA like I was fortunate enough to do. So Britmusicfan,don't be put off. You find something nice and everyone will want to be your friend. Godzilla,you're grounded. Straight to bed and no supper!! ROD

Personally I couldn't give a flying.... what format a dj uses in his spot in a club, so a laptop is no big deal. It's a matter of personal choice. However, IMO Northern is more than that one thing anyway and original vinyl will always be at the heart of it. And it doesn't have to be obscenely rare and expensive vinyl either, just good so no need to apologise Mischief. Slightly related topic I reckon it'd be nice to see say Kent give out the odd exclusive to some 4th division dj's like Ernie or Mischief on here. They'd be chuffed to bits, playlists in local clubs would get a shot in the arm, and as someone pointed out it takes an age nowadays to break a record anyway so local exposure is as good as any. ROD

I think you'll find the most you can hope for is around £5 and that's a slim chance when it's not even Mint. Great 45,common and not really Northern. ROD

And I will have it. Please PM with hopefully non too graphic payment details. ROD

Rather mean to Jellybean Music. The Festivals!!?? OFFERS!!! Oh how I laughed. £1.27?

Don't you think you ought to just give this 45 a decent burial, and let us all know the name of the seller for future reference. ROD

Princely sum? Bombed out with this 45 loads of times so Im glad it's now taking off though a bit slow. ROD

NOT a boot Ian. Gino did 'em. ROD Anybody got a Minty Detroit issue. Just realised I've got RPR dist West coast 45

George S. Collins!!! What kinda snappy cover-up is that. Sounds like a doctor. The Georgettes featuring Tyrone Collins. See easy. You young ones don't have a clue!! ROD PS "and the Buena Vista Strings" is optional

I think Chris you should post another picture as a "tie-break" as we were all pretty close, with Bearsy making the most educated guess, as there were four members of a possible Jackson 5 on the ground and you would naturally assume that Michael would be on top of the monument dangling one of his offspring. Don't make it so easy this time. ROD

I did post earlier but everybody appears to be ignoring it. The facts follow and maybe others can firm up dates and confirm time period. First of all Im amazed that Tone had these in mid-70's. He musta kept them pretty quiet as did the guy he got them off as when I got the tape no one had heard any and general reception was amazement that there was stuff like this at Motown which had not been released. Butch,Keb,Guy,Tim and rest of 60's Mafia had not heard anything about them. I did know Daly City Bob but not well and these did NOT come from him. Tom de Pierrio was involved with my mate,Bob Klein, at Airwave records at the same time he was doing the compilation for Motown and I got them from Bob K. Im sure I was in LA in 1981 but maybe '82. When we cut the acetates I know the first airing was at Stafford when Dave and I were dj-ing. Was Stafford going in '81? I don't remember much time lapse between getting the tapes,cutting discs and then playing them out. The tape that has been referred to is nothing to do with me or Dave other than the first side is stuff I got off Bob K. Bit pissed off that there is some inference in Tone's post that Im somewhat of a bootlegger as all we did was cut some acetates of unissued material that wasn't going to see the light of day.This was 1981 not 2007 when we're all so much clued in about non-released product. Dave and I had nothing to do with Tamtown or the LP that subsequently appeared. John has admitted that Daly City Bob somehow got hold of the material. In fact I have a recollection that there were Stevie Wonder tracks I didn't have. Never made a cent from any of it and we did cut the odd acetate for other mates/dj's and charged them cost plus a couple of pints!! Paul,you may have heard Temptations at Wigan but only if Wigan finished after Stafford started. Im sure I cut "Suspicion" for Richard and would have put Temptations on other side as that was my favourite cut. The initial batch we played at Stafford did not include "Lonely lover" and a couple of others. I asked Bob to see if he had other stuff he'd recorded and I got a second tape through the post with that, maybe "Absent minded lover". I forget now. Dave and I had jacked dj-ing in as we couldn't compete against the all-round "KingTuttedness" going on so I think we had the best cuts done for maybe Guy and I think Butch liked the Kim Weston. As for the original format that provided the source of the tapes I have no idea although I suspect they were mostly original acetates. Bob told me they sneaked stuff outta Motown to record. Whether Tom,who was always in need of spare cash, sneaked them back again....!! I guess Daly City Bob could have ended up with them but there was another dealer in LA whose name I forget who did have Motown acetates to sell just after this time. Maybe Roger something? My suspicion is that Tom sold to him rather than return to vaults. ROD

Thank you. That's very mangomnious of you. ROD