Modernsoulsucks

My wife would like to know if it comes in "teal" as it would go with the cushions and curtains.

Are you talking soul skirts here?

Hope OK to bump this as I've added a few more for trade [or sale]. ROD

Well you'd have to ask John about that really cos his accountant may suggest ways of dealing with that. However whatever John sells on that site it is part of his turnover so he will pay VAT on the whole amount I believe. So for instance if it is on commission and say he gets £200 for selling a £2000 45 he pays VAT on the whole £2000 and not just the £200. That's how VAT works as far as I remember. When he comes to do his annual accounts once his expenses,tax allowance etc are taken into account ordinary tax will be deducted from the profit which in this case is £200. Simply put I sold for £2000, I paid 1800, I made 200.

I have a vague recollection of that. I have a memory of him turning up at the Mecca with them along with others. Ian D might remember. Wasn't it Ian who came into the club and twatted him, maybe the same night. ROD

Don't know a lot about taxation other than PAYE, but how does it work on an auction item? How is it broke down ? Is there any VAT involved ? are you taxed on your commission? I think Im right in this but it's 11 years since I stopped being a full-time record dealer. There is a threshhold where you pay VAT on all your takings [NOT profit]if you take in over the limit. In my day it was around £30,000 and increased to over £40,000 in a space of 10 years. So say I made £40K per annum the VAT bill would be £7K p.a. at 17.5% as it was then. Think I paid quarterly. The idea is that to balance that bill I'd also claim back and deduct the VAT I'd paid. As my stock came from the USA in the main I was on a bit of a loser because there is no VAT charged on the records I'd bought. The only VAT involved for me to claim back would be on say shipping or if I had a list printed. So if I bought say £20K worth of records from US in a year none of that total would be VAT that I could balance against the VAT I owed when selling them on. If it had been possible to buy that stock from an English supplier he would have charged me 17.5% VAT which I could have got back. It is an extra tax really which you can't avoid. However I certainly didn't pass it on to my customers.

I was wondering about that. I always thought it was a very rare record. They pressed up a few titles didn't they including stuuff that wasn't originally put out. Im thinking [or trying to remenber] Miracles "Can you love a poor boy" ? Temptations "Born to love you" ROD

FFS, Bob's posts belong in the "conspiracy theories" thread. Confused the hell out of me. To recap 58250 is "..still there" 58279 is "...mislead" [sic] He sings "misled" Was Bob asking why there's a 29 gap there? Run out groove #'s dont always follow on. See ZTSC Gareth, your layout is different to my West Coast promo but I see both have LA address which Pete's doesn't. Not a local pressing then? My promo of other Remarkables cut is on vinyl but then it's distributed by Bell/Mala. ROD

I've got the Stang LP. Is the All-Platinum version different then? Or is it just the P-Vine that was remixed? ROD

"Buyer beware" does not come into it if you buy from an honest seller. We are talking misleading and dishonest descriptions. ROD

Well we had a pretty heated discussion the other day regarding boots v. OVO. I am pretty laid back about that because I doubt there is much of an intention to deceive. However misleading and ambiguous sales tactics are definitely a No-No. If they're on here, then they shouldn't be. Caveat emptor is no defence. ROD

If I've read that before I'd forgotten but I do recognise Guy's description of that particular time with the emphasis on 70's and 80's and surprisingly [considering what you read on here] not that much interest in the 60's stuff outside a pretty small circle of fanatics. I remember when Dave and I were dj-ing we could play Limelights, Monique, Young Brothers, Phoenetics etc to not that full a dance floor and then some knobend would come up and ask for King Tutt. Luckily we had that as our "get out of jail free" card. It was that palpable disinterest that caused us to jack it in. As for the Jackie Day I thought it sounded like a Mirwood 45 so Im sure I covered it as Belles or similar but I didn't want to sell it after getting it off Bob so I [OVO-ers look away now] cut Guy an acetate [maybe with CODs or Combinations on other side]. Don't remember a party in Derby but I took it along to Stafford covered up and gave it Guy to play on the night and when I got it back it was uncovered, not that I minded. I let him have the Terri Goodnight as I thought it was rather poppy and at some stage I ended up with Larry Wright. He also took that Little Charles "Talking about you baby" which was new to me then and obviously Guy too. Credit to Bob [RobbK] for turning it up in the first place and Im surprised he splashed out 50 cents on it as he always told me he stopped buying 45s when they went up to over 25 cents. I did a C90 tape at his place back in I think '81 with some things I didn't know at the time and I reckon all have gone on to be classic in-demand records and even newies if that term can be applied to USA Intensions or Martiniques. ROD

Russell, Bloody good post. Gotta be honest and say I was feeling a little smug in that I have no axe to grind about collecting or playing boots whilst only collecting OVO myself {OK I have JR "..pick a rose" and Mayfield Singers as both unavailable on legit vinyl]. But I have recently been shown how to download onto CD off You Tube and I've done myself quite a few CDs of tracks I like but haven't got [in the main]. Im guessing quite a few of those are on legit CDs, although I haven't checked. If other OVO-ers are doing the same then as Pete says the 45 boot is merely a matter of format. ROD

I think it's one thing to care about OVO [for reasons relating to progression] and another to adopt an evangelical attitude about it where fire and brimstone are poured on the supposedly opposite camp. I don't believe there is a "f**k OVO" faction but there are those who get understandably defensive if they are constantly held up as the enemy within. ROD

Well Steve if you're now saying it was all in gest and you wouldn't make a big deal of it then I certainly do withdraw the infantile reference. I do not look down on those who play or buy boots. My only quibble with it is that you're highly unlikely to hear anything new if nothing is OVO but then it doesn't take more than 5 minutes of examining OVO playlists to come to the same conclusion there too in many instances. ROD

Jesus! I hate getting into long-winded arguments unless in person. Phil, you may have missed my final comment that complaining about VG+ originals is ridiculous. As Boba pointed out Im only taking your argument and increasing the level of elitism. Yes Im obsessed [prefer] with nice condition copies but not to the extent that I'd make a fuss or draw attention to someone else's record collection, which I think you and Steve are doing if you're both suggesting that regarding the playing of boots you'd either report the offending dj, leave and refuse to play in the club again or whatever stand you'd both wish to take. Im sorry I do think it's ungracious in that it's making a mountain out of a molehill and causing grief where there is no need. Unless you have some kinda suspicion that the boot dj was trying to sabotage your spot which is highly unlikely. It's more likely he's a cheap warm-up act to Phil T because the promotor cannot really afford your £3.45 appearance fee [well that's what Geoff Buckley told me was the average last time I played a few]. Snobbery and elitism have played no part in my appreciation of the music and I don't consider it has led in any way to the longevity of the scene. There has always been bootlegs and Emidiscs [Richard S for one in his early days before the Anderson tie-up]and people just got on with it. Mr M's is an iconic location nowadays but many of us didn't venture in. Not because a lot of boots were played in there but because the newies were in the main room. The longevity is to do with the urge to hear more and fresh stuff and more importantly those who still seek it out. And if we're talking guys collecting and playing OVO there are hundreds probably who are no longer around from back then and yet there are guys with their boots and re-issues who still go every week and are probably waiting for the next in-demand 45 to be made available cheap. ROD

Well Nev I did examine the motivation of both the artist and Counter Clock [as commissioner of the piece] using an holistic approach bearing on the synergy required in producing the work. Then I googled a quote in "Artyfarty", thought WTF and posted a cheap jibe/joke. But thank you anyway.

"Since artistic activity is essentially creative, we should expect art to be determined by exclusively libidinal urges; and it was in this light that art was originally regarded by psychoanalysts, before the importance of the destructive impulses had been appreciated, and the significance of ambivalence and sadism had been properly understood. In the light of more recent psychoanalytic discoveries, however, it becomes evident that the destructive impulses must play an important part in the phenomenon of art" Bernard Manning 1975 Embassy Club It didn't get a laugh then either

I don't understand either Phil or Steve's attitude at all. Most on here have collected originals and had to make do with a lesser vintage of Chateau Lafite that week. What I find infantile and ungracious is to make a song and dance about someone else putting on a boot [and even a legal re-issue as some have inferred]instead of moving on and playing something else. What about those of us who've had to get up at the crack of dinnertime and do bugger all allday to amass a collection of minty originals only for some fly-by-night to get some VG+ copy or lesser condition piece of crap at a much reduced price and then pass it off as a desirable original. Ridiculous. Yes. But no more than this anal obsession with what other people are doing. Which I share of course or I wouldn't be posting. ROD

That was a joke,right Steve? I always had you down as one of the rational,reasonable fanatics. ROD

https://cgi.ebay.com/Diana-Ross-Supremes-Medley-Hits-45-rpm-PROMO-/370526200519?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item56451522c7 Here's a copy on Ebay. I'd be amazed if it sells! ROD

You're discounting Namibia then,Tony?

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I'd agree. This has got those "spank" guitar licks in it. Is that the same as the Gar-Pax release? Must admit I'd not seen this label before. Think I had Eddie Owens [was it?] on a 4 track 12" back in the 90's. Can't remember which version that was. I'd say Helpp is the original. Label out of Chatanooga and just up the road from Atlanta where it was recorded. ROD

Unlike Dave I'd say there's no difference in rarity. I've noticed quite a few in relation to Midtown version actually, and I say that as someone with the Embers copy so I tended to notice when something supposedly rarer turned up reasonably regularly. ROD