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I was wondering about that. I always thought it was a very rare record. They pressed up a few titles didn't they including stuuff that wasn't originally put out. Im thinking [or trying to remenber] Miracles "Can you love a poor boy" ? Temptations "Born to love you" ROD

FFS, Bob's posts belong in the "conspiracy theories" thread. Confused the hell out of me. To recap 58250 is "..still there" 58279 is "...mislead" [sic] He sings "misled" Was Bob asking why there's a 29 gap there? Run out groove #'s dont always follow on. See ZTSC Gareth, your layout is different to my West Coast promo but I see both have LA address which Pete's doesn't. Not a local pressing then? My promo of other Remarkables cut is on vinyl but then it's distributed by Bell/Mala. ROD

I've got the Stang LP. Is the All-Platinum version different then? Or is it just the P-Vine that was remixed? ROD

"Buyer beware" does not come into it if you buy from an honest seller. We are talking misleading and dishonest descriptions. ROD

Well we had a pretty heated discussion the other day regarding boots v. OVO. I am pretty laid back about that because I doubt there is much of an intention to deceive. However misleading and ambiguous sales tactics are definitely a No-No. If they're on here, then they shouldn't be. Caveat emptor is no defence. ROD

If I've read that before I'd forgotten but I do recognise Guy's description of that particular time with the emphasis on 70's and 80's and surprisingly [considering what you read on here] not that much interest in the 60's stuff outside a pretty small circle of fanatics. I remember when Dave and I were dj-ing we could play Limelights, Monique, Young Brothers, Phoenetics etc to not that full a dance floor and then some knobend would come up and ask for King Tutt. Luckily we had that as our "get out of jail free" card. It was that palpable disinterest that caused us to jack it in. As for the Jackie Day I thought it sounded like a Mirwood 45 so Im sure I covered it as Belles or similar but I didn't want to sell it after getting it off Bob so I [OVO-ers look away now] cut Guy an acetate [maybe with CODs or Combinations on other side]. Don't remember a party in Derby but I took it along to Stafford covered up and gave it Guy to play on the night and when I got it back it was uncovered, not that I minded. I let him have the Terri Goodnight as I thought it was rather poppy and at some stage I ended up with Larry Wright. He also took that Little Charles "Talking about you baby" which was new to me then and obviously Guy too. Credit to Bob [RobbK] for turning it up in the first place and Im surprised he splashed out 50 cents on it as he always told me he stopped buying 45s when they went up to over 25 cents. I did a C90 tape at his place back in I think '81 with some things I didn't know at the time and I reckon all have gone on to be classic in-demand records and even newies if that term can be applied to USA Intensions or Martiniques. ROD

Russell, Bloody good post. Gotta be honest and say I was feeling a little smug in that I have no axe to grind about collecting or playing boots whilst only collecting OVO myself {OK I have JR "..pick a rose" and Mayfield Singers as both unavailable on legit vinyl]. But I have recently been shown how to download onto CD off You Tube and I've done myself quite a few CDs of tracks I like but haven't got [in the main]. Im guessing quite a few of those are on legit CDs, although I haven't checked. If other OVO-ers are doing the same then as Pete says the 45 boot is merely a matter of format. ROD

I think it's one thing to care about OVO [for reasons relating to progression] and another to adopt an evangelical attitude about it where fire and brimstone are poured on the supposedly opposite camp. I don't believe there is a "f**k OVO" faction but there are those who get understandably defensive if they are constantly held up as the enemy within. ROD

Well Steve if you're now saying it was all in gest and you wouldn't make a big deal of it then I certainly do withdraw the infantile reference. I do not look down on those who play or buy boots. My only quibble with it is that you're highly unlikely to hear anything new if nothing is OVO but then it doesn't take more than 5 minutes of examining OVO playlists to come to the same conclusion there too in many instances. ROD

Jesus! I hate getting into long-winded arguments unless in person. Phil, you may have missed my final comment that complaining about VG+ originals is ridiculous. As Boba pointed out Im only taking your argument and increasing the level of elitism. Yes Im obsessed [prefer] with nice condition copies but not to the extent that I'd make a fuss or draw attention to someone else's record collection, which I think you and Steve are doing if you're both suggesting that regarding the playing of boots you'd either report the offending dj, leave and refuse to play in the club again or whatever stand you'd both wish to take. Im sorry I do think it's ungracious in that it's making a mountain out of a molehill and causing grief where there is no need. Unless you have some kinda suspicion that the boot dj was trying to sabotage your spot which is highly unlikely. It's more likely he's a cheap warm-up act to Phil T because the promotor cannot really afford your £3.45 appearance fee [well that's what Geoff Buckley told me was the average last time I played a few]. Snobbery and elitism have played no part in my appreciation of the music and I don't consider it has led in any way to the longevity of the scene. There has always been bootlegs and Emidiscs [Richard S for one in his early days before the Anderson tie-up]and people just got on with it. Mr M's is an iconic location nowadays but many of us didn't venture in. Not because a lot of boots were played in there but because the newies were in the main room. The longevity is to do with the urge to hear more and fresh stuff and more importantly those who still seek it out. And if we're talking guys collecting and playing OVO there are hundreds probably who are no longer around from back then and yet there are guys with their boots and re-issues who still go every week and are probably waiting for the next in-demand 45 to be made available cheap. ROD

Well Nev I did examine the motivation of both the artist and Counter Clock [as commissioner of the piece] using an holistic approach bearing on the synergy required in producing the work. Then I googled a quote in "Artyfarty", thought WTF and posted a cheap jibe/joke. But thank you anyway.

"Since artistic activity is essentially creative, we should expect art to be determined by exclusively libidinal urges; and it was in this light that art was originally regarded by psychoanalysts, before the importance of the destructive impulses had been appreciated, and the significance of ambivalence and sadism had been properly understood. In the light of more recent psychoanalytic discoveries, however, it becomes evident that the destructive impulses must play an important part in the phenomenon of art" Bernard Manning 1975 Embassy Club It didn't get a laugh then either

I don't understand either Phil or Steve's attitude at all. Most on here have collected originals and had to make do with a lesser vintage of Chateau Lafite that week. What I find infantile and ungracious is to make a song and dance about someone else putting on a boot [and even a legal re-issue as some have inferred]instead of moving on and playing something else. What about those of us who've had to get up at the crack of dinnertime and do bugger all allday to amass a collection of minty originals only for some fly-by-night to get some VG+ copy or lesser condition piece of crap at a much reduced price and then pass it off as a desirable original. Ridiculous. Yes. But no more than this anal obsession with what other people are doing. Which I share of course or I wouldn't be posting. ROD

That was a joke,right Steve? I always had you down as one of the rational,reasonable fanatics. ROD

https://cgi.ebay.com/Diana-Ross-Supremes-Medley-Hits-45-rpm-PROMO-/370526200519?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item56451522c7 Here's a copy on Ebay. I'd be amazed if it sells! ROD

You're discounting Namibia then,Tony?

Headline News WDJ RIC TIC 00 Soul RIC TIC [Red label] Dobie Gray Out on the.... original [F-W stamp?] Am I the same girl DJ BRUNSWICK Chuck Carter DJ BRUNSWICK You brought about a change DJ BRUNSWICK Symphonics Silent... DJ BRUNSWICK Marvelettes Reachin.... TMG 701 Bet you never thought [prefer DJ] CONSTELLATION Tighten up UK copy or US ATLANTIC DJ I can't stop dancing UK Atlantic Underdogs Loves... VIP Must be M- or thereabouts Please see my trades as Im skint. Thanks ROD

I'd agree. This has got those "spank" guitar licks in it. Is that the same as the Gar-Pax release? Must admit I'd not seen this label before. Think I had Eddie Owens [was it?] on a 4 track 12" back in the 90's. Can't remember which version that was. I'd say Helpp is the original. Label out of Chatanooga and just up the road from Atlanta where it was recorded. ROD

Unlike Dave I'd say there's no difference in rarity. I've noticed quite a few in relation to Midtown version actually, and I say that as someone with the Embers copy so I tended to notice when something supposedly rarer turned up reasonably regularly. ROD

Yes Flynny, pretty sure I sold that to Guy. Larry Pietowski [Ray] turned them up off a flea market/car boot in Detroit. I got the Rufus Wonder Lendo WDJ off him at the same time. As Larry was never involved in booting and has turned up 1000's of 45s in his time I have no reason to think they are dodgy. ROD

A decent dealer always returns postage otherwise the buyer is out of pocket through no fault of his own. Ernie, Surprised at negative comments but you have shot yourself in the foot. Think I bought George Carrow off you and grading was spot on. You only have to look at Pure Soulie's sales to see that loads are overgraded. A quick google now shows a Motown 45 with a ripped label at VG++. VG++ is US grade meaning almost like new. His records look poor to me and I've never bought anything. To me it's obvious you and he have different ideas. ROD

Open to trades on unsold stuff off my latest sales list. Still for sale too. SEE Thanks ROD Four Bars Waitin'on the right guy FALEW [white DJ?] EX £10 Jackie Wilson Haunted House BRUNSWICK M- £10 Chandler/Acklin From the teacher... DJ BRUNSWICK VG+ [few marks but still nice copy] £5 Leaders You are the one I love DJ BLUE ROCK VG+ [still nice copy but with some slight label fading] £5 Palisades Make the night a little longer WDJ CHAIRMAN EX [sticker residue on label] [same as Ramona King, Tan Geers] £10 Charles Lattimore I done got over DJ FESTIVAL [R&B . Seen it getting bids opn Ebay recently] VG+ [few minor marks] £30 Bill Black Little Queenie LONDON UK M- [ 60's silvertop design] £40 Chantells World of Soul SOUL KITCHEN M- [great instr like Saxie Russell to my ears] £25 Dimensions He's a lover DJ D-TOWN M- [rare Detroit] £100 Albums Peter Rodriguez "Hot and Wild" [stereo] ALLEGRE Sleeve is VG+ [wear on top seam] but still nice. Vinyl is EX to M-. Inc. "Here comes the Judge" £25 SOME WANTS [in M- condition please] Headline News WDJ RIC TIC Dobie Gray Out on the... original [F-W stamp?] 00 Soul RIC TIC [Red label] Chuck Carter DJ BRUNSWICK You brought about a change DJ BRUNSWICK Symphonics Silent... DJ BRUNSWICK Marvelettes Reachin for..... TMG701 Bet you never thought [prefer DJ] CONSTELLATION Tighten up UK copy or US ATLANTIC DJ I can't stop dancing UK Atlantic Underdogs Loves... VIP AND 60's Ska/Reggae

Just weeded some from collection. I'd say all these 45s are EX to M- [apart from Leaders] Real nice copies and fully guaranteed by myself should you be unhappy. Please PM me if interested in anything. Grover Mitchell Take your time and love me JOSIE M- £15 Styles Baby you're alive WDJ MODERN M- £50 Four Bars Waitin'on the right guy FALEW EX £20 Miss Madeline Behave yourself/Lonely girl MAR V LUS M- £15 SOLD Jackie Wilson Haunted House BRUNSWICK M- £15 Leaders You are the one I love DJ BLUE ROCK VG+ £5 [still nice copy but with label fading] Palisades Make the night a little longer WDJ CHAIRMAN EX £25 [sticker residue on label] [same as Ramona King, Tan Geers] Sultans I wanna know WDJ ASCOT EX £100 [Good Carolina type sound] Keni Lewis Aint gonna make it easy DJ DE VEL EX [one small mark] £40 SO Bill Black Little Queenie LONDON UK M- £50 [silvertop design] Gene Chandler Nothing can stop me CONSTELLATION EX £12 [stars design] Chantells World of Soul SOUL KITCHEN M- [great instr like Saxie Russell to my ears] £30 Creations Oh baby/Plenty of love GLOBE EX £15 SOLD Creations I've got to find her GLOBE EX £10 SOLD Donald Jenkins Happy days DUCHESS M- £75 [orig release of "My lucky day refosoul Lela Martin You can't have your cake MELATONE M- £100 SOLD Four Gents Tomorrow may never come ONCORE EX £200 [rare Detroit group] Reggie Milner She's alright RON'S EX £20 SOLD Cap-tans Tight skirts and crazy sweaters ANNA M- £15 [white label design] Ty Hunter Free ANNA EX £15 [as above] Dimensions He's a lover DJ D-TOWN M- £200 [rare Detroit] Jimmy Delphs Almost KAREN M- £10 [multicolored] Betty Lavette Almost KAREN M- £15 [multicolored] Cashmeres Finally waking up NINANDY EX £150 SOLD Couple of Albums Ruby Andrews Black Ruby £120 Sleeve is around VG+ but not tatty. Vinyl Ex to M- inc "Just loving you" Ruby Andrews Everybody saw you. £60 Sleeve is about Ex and vinyl Ex+ Accept Paypal but buyer gets to pay charges please. Thanks for looking. ROD I AM OPEN TO TRADES ON ANY OF THESE STILL UNSOLD.

Bearsy, Reminded me of Majestics as opening vocals sound a bit "Mexican". " Hey gringo" style of thing. I played it c/u about 10/11 years ago as Majestics along with Ebo-nees and Extremes on 4J all of which spectacularly bombed. To be fair to the crowd they probably wanted to hear Alfie Davidson. About that time I thought "f*ck it!" Ernie, That tale sounds like the time I sold it to John Grant for £40 in HMV on a Sat afternoon. I have the Canadian. I think "Newer" on here has it as well.

Wiggy, I think you've got a bit hung up on tempo there. I also notice that the current allnighter "rare" scene appears to put some emphasis on that aspect too. As you mentioned Godin, the Wheatsheaf and the difference between the North and the South, from my memory of the time that difference boiled down to contempory releases as opposed to old soul records. Most new releases didn't have the right sound [especially when you remember that this was pre-Levine's Carstairs moment]. Funk was a major strand of new music and back in September '72 standing in Contempo in Hanway St. or Record Corner on a Saturday morning I saw it flying out compared to punters looking for "Northern" style sounds or the latest re-issues of 60's in-demand tracks. I was a regular at the Wheatsheaf [although a more Northern night would have been Bird's Nest in West Hampstead, I think, which CLOTH EARS on here could no doubt expand on] which did play some Northern, actually maybe partly due to me because I was asking for stuff I'd heard back home at the Pendulem and bringing the odd 45 in to play. That's not to say there weren't other fans there but it wasn't a Northern club as such [in a pub on a Thursday night? with no dance floor] and Terry used to play a wide selection of soul music, mostly new as he worked at Record Corner. I'd also say that uptempo was not a pre-requisite for a Northern sound then or earlier. When I first came across it in '69 you had "Hey girl don't bother me", Poets, "Walking up a one way street", Tami Lynn etc which whilst danceable were not what I'd call 100mph stompers such as Triumphs or Eddie Parker. The onus on a record making it was that it was catchy, melodic, and not unsimilar to the 60's Motown sound. I don't think those criteria changed much during the following years. I do find it odd that Adam [was it?] would say that Northern was just a term given to a selection of soul, funk and R&B when I don't think it was. I can't really remember many records that varied from a more "uptown" style back when Godin was writing. Maybe "Cool Aid" stood out as a funk track or Little Sonny and the odd midtempo Bland 45 during the first spot at the Pendulem. R&B wasn't on my radar or anyone else's I would have thought. I reckon something like "Fortune Teller" [a Wigan oldie, though never a newie, and maybe a forerunner to looking at older sounds] would have cleared the floor at the Pendulem. Charles Sheffield would have started a riot!