Sorry to harp on about this fool. BUT, this is his FB profile and at the very end contains a BIG, BIG lie! I have, on several occasions asked him to change it and stop trying to mislead people.

Russ Winstanley WAS NOT the the music consultant on the highly successful play 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan', which was by Urban Expansions limited (2003 - 2005) and commisioned by that company. That was myself, Adey Croasdell and Guy Hennigan (second tour).

Russ was music consultant on 'the sham production at Bolton Octagon called 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan LIVE'. A cut up and hacked to death version of the original script aimed at trying to get in the West End!

The first was highly successful and contained ALL original music, the second (Russ's LIVE version) was nothing to do with the successful play and had a white do wop band (flying Picketts) playing the music live. Thats the great musical advice Russ gave them " get a white group to sing Karaoke versions of the music we love".

At a time when films are out and Russ is pedaling his wares from stall to stall, i want to set this straight. He DELIBERATELY tries to attach himself to my production and he did NO consulting on it, hence its success.

Maybe Russ would like to comment on why he tries to confuse the two and says he was music consultant on 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan' rather than 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan LIVE', which were two very different plays! I know he reads these threads , as he always moans to the mods if anyone points out hes, allegedly, a fraud.

On 23rd September 1973 Russ had the idea for putting on and DJing at the famous Soul Allnighters at Wigan Casino. Over 4 million people passed through the venue which ran four nights per week until December 6th 1981. Both Wigan Casino and Russ Winstanley won many awards for best venue and best DJ. In 1997 Russ compiled Telstar Records northern soul album Soul Survivors which has become the biggest selling northern soul compilation ever grossing over £2m. In 1998 his book Wigan Casino Story joined the best sellers' list.

In 2008 Russ was featured in BBC TV's Soul Britannia and Dance Britannia and special Northern Soul features on BBC Radio 2 and 4. He has also toured with Paul Weller and Ocean Colour Scene and has also worked with Paul and Dean Parrish on the singles, 'Left Right and Centre' and 'It'll Never Be Over For Me'.

Russ is also music consultant to the highly successful Wigan Casino Play,' Once Upon A Time In Wigan' which ran in June at Bolton's Octagon Theatre and will be turned into a multi-million pound feature film in 2009.

Edited June 21, 201014 yr by paul-s

Can we keep this to topic title....

cheers

OK Stevie. Apologies. Just off to register the name 'Wigan Casino'...........

Ian D

If my name was attached to some of the comments thrown at Russ then i would want to try and redress the balance if possible...

That may be because you actually give a shit

Which one Baz? I take it you mean Sigma Sound?

No unfortunately. I did pass it a couple of times - once with Val Shively in the 70's but I didn't have the balls to walk in in '76. Wish I had. I did manage to get some great studio photos and interviews with Vince Montana when we did the Salsoul Orchestra anthology a few years back and I speak with a few of the original guys every now and then - for instance, I just licensed a track from Bobby Eli who is alive and well.

However, I have a sneaking suspicion that Moulton's sat on TONS of stuff from the era 'cos he collects it and then sits on it forever LOL I'm actually going to do a mini documentary with the great man in the next couple of weeks so I'm going to interview him in his apartment and get him to dig into all the stuff in his archives (of which there are 1000's of tapes) so that should be fun. Dealing with his bloody cats probably won't be as much fun however.........

I'll let you know how I get on. If I start finding any Sweet and Deep you'll be the first to know..........

Ian D

Ian,

You know you're gonna find lots of goodies at Tom's apartment. You'll also have to take a portable hard drive too as he does most of his work at home now. Do me a favour matey and take him a copy of Neil Rushton's book. It'll save me a fortune in postage. When's the CD out?

Steve

Nice tattoo

PAUL YOU CREATED SOMETHING WONDERFUL -YOUD SOON HAVE 10K EATEN UP ON THIS ETC SO JUST SET HIS TROUSERS ALIGHT WHEN YOU CATCH UP WITH HIM!!

urban expansions can go for breach of copyright -copyright is Copyright is the set of exclusive rights granted to the author or creator of an original work, including the right to copy, distribute and adapt the work. These rights can be licensed, transferred and/or assigned. Copyright lasts for a certain time period after which the work is said to enter the public domain. Copyright applies to a wide range of works that are substantive and fixed in a medium. Some jurisdictions also recognize "moral rights" of the creator of a work, such as the right to be credited for the work.

while since i went to law school etc [oh yes tis true sadly but i was saved lol]but very costly -not that punitive -and a total minefield when it comes to determining a legal rememdy -my opinon of this is the moral rights argument presuming it came from russ would be fickle to say the least ?? Also what has the wigan casino trademark etc got to do with this?surely an action would be urban v winstanley unless he has been shrewd which would foggy the waters even more!!

BAZ A.

PAUL YOU CREATED SOMETHING WONDERFUL -YOUD SOON HAVE 10K EATEN UP ON THIS ETC SO JUST SET HIS TROUSERS ALIGHT WHEN YOU CATCH UP WITH HIM!!

PAUL YOU CREATED SOMETHING WONDERFUL -YOUD SOON HAVE 10K EATEN UP ON THIS ETC SO JUST SET HIS TROUSERS ALIGHT WHEN YOU CATCH UP WITH HIM!!

Nice one Baz, the most constructive and best piece of advice given on this thread, make sure he's still in em when you start the fire! :thumbsup:

I bet Russ can't believe all the free publicity he is getting on here Dunno why you give him the time of the day.

I saw this play at the Contact theatre in Manchester a few years ago and Russ was Dj in the downstairs bar area,He attended the show and then did another spot later on after the play had finished,

I would presume he didn't turn up uninvited,With a box of records hoping to get a spot

I bet Russ can't believe all the free publicity he is getting on here Dunno why you give him the time of the day.

Yes agree, but there again he doesn't exactly attarct a lot of positive vibes Chalky.

Yes agree, but there again he doesn't exactly attarct a lot of positive vibes Chalky.

any publicity is good publicity, so they say

I must admit..I feel sorry for Mr Winstanley..he constantly gets slagged off on here for what only seems like making a few quid off the scene..so what! He's not murdered anyone..

How would any of you like it if a thread was started about you solely for the purpose of deriding you?

Concentrate on your own shit and keep your noses out of others business..who cares what he's up to..you must be a little sad to be interested in the first place..

any publicity is good publicity, so they say

Not sure BP would agree with that sentiment right now

Beeks, the point is, and many forget this, Russ isn't actually on the scene. he is in a parallel universe reliving Wigan Casino. He's actually irrelevant to today's scene.

As I said yesterday the scene is being championed by thousands of others. No sign of Mr WInstanley, except when there's a play, film, CD, TV programme on Wigan Casino etc.

Anyway I still don't know why Paul S got involved with him. But then again i don't really care either

Edited June 22, 201014 yr by Steve G

closing this

first post was made

advice etc been given

now it seems its just a thread about talking about talking about someone

if you got gripes, dont like peoples methods and all that then by all means air your view

but no need for a thread to go down some sort of take the p*ss out of non-members road and then end up talking about itself