HAVING JUST GOT BACK FROM I O W SCOOTER WEEKEND ,IT OCCURED TO ME HOW WORLDS APART IT WAS TO THE NORTHERN SCENE ? THEY ARE THE ALMOST THE SAME PEOPLE IN FACT I MET LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH OUT SCOOTERS JUST DOWN FOR THE WEEKEND THAT I KNOW OFF THE NORTHERN SCENE ,YET FOR SOME REASON THEY SEEM A LOT MORE OPEN MINDED ,MAY BE ITS THE SEA AIR ? WHAT DO YOU THINK !

Please could some one explain to me why owning a scooter means you like the snake ? what is the shelf life of a new tune ? cos once its been played isnt it then a oldie ? oh and we rode all the way from sunny shrewsbury to the ferry we did have a van as back up and as one of our lads fell off and broke his collar bone just as well,

best part about scooter rallies is the riding there and the ride home.......:hatsoff2:Ps been doin ralies since 78, and northern niters since 75....musicly wise they are worlds apart.......

Im sorry to say Imbers "hobby mods" ruined scootering for me have owned my scooters since '79/80 but the whole rally scene just leaves me cold ,for the most part its a musical desert with the same repetertive mix thats been played to death since the mid 80's ..the I.O.W. was good untill the untouchables left taking with them the only real musical haven (and even that was always a bit odd because they didnt really want scooterists at there "do") plenty of my club still go but it aint for me im afraid.If i want to hear soul i'll go to a soul night /nighter a definatly not a scooter rally.I'll ride the bike when i like.

best part about scooter rallies is the riding there and the ride home.......:hatsoff2:Ps been doin ralies since 78, and northern niters since 75....musicly wise they are worlds apart.......

i used to find that too , very calming sitting on a scooter for 8 hours

Please could some one explain to me why owning a scooter means you like the snake ? what is the shelf life of a new tune ? cos once its been played isnt it then a oldie ? oh and we rode all the way from sunny shrewsbury to the ferry we did have a van as back up and as one of our lads fell off and broke his collar bone just as well,

Sorry to hear about your mate i hope you recovers quickly

the wee wee take at the snake/scooterist link is purely because as a dj at a scooter rally you get asked to play it at least 3 times a night even if it has already been played and when it does get played the dance floor gets packed all the time and only the other year i was talking to Mischief at Hemsby when one of the djs was playing some good stomping nothern tunes but mainly to an empty floor then his next record was the Snake and the floor packed and packed so much there was just as many dancing on the carpet surrounding the dance floor the majority at scooter rallies want the cheesey tunes and why not cos thats what they like and want and they are the ones that spend most time on the dance floor, personally i would love to hear less of the obvious cheesy stuff but i would class myself in the minority and except that and hopefully there are a few i would like to hear chucked in for good measure but it dont stop me from having a great time and a good dance too, not all scooterists are cheese lovers and plenty into the more upfront and rarer stuff but i dont think any of them hold their breath thinking things are gonna change cos it never will,

Also i do agrre that sometimes scooterists are labelled all a bit too harshly too cos of ther links with the snake and Frank Wilson etc etc but the scooter scene has ground to a halt musically imho, new groups same cover songs, new djs same records wether it be main room or soul room, i certainly dont go to a rally for me soul fix (unless im djn of course ) but i do go for the craic with me mates and everything thats good about the scene,

atb

Bearsy

I get offered to Dj at rallies and rarely take it up, as it is always as everyone mentions the same playlists but there is room for abit of creativity if you choose your moment. The last one I did was at Weston Last month and I got to say I loved Djing that night.

The floor stayed packed even when I played things like The Sound Masters, Tommy & The Derbys, Lonnie Russ + a few others you would'nt assume would be there bag but they seemed to love it and danced for the whole hour. I must admit I left thinking are things changing? it seems not reading this thread but that was my experience.

It also helps if there is a dedicated room for just northern as alot of the idiots go to the main room although there aint nowhere near as many of them these days as there were thank God.

Finally I wonder what the scootering fraternity would say about the progressive northern scene? I know most on here will say I couldn't give shite what they think and I suppose many scooterists would say the same about this thread, but its a good thread and each to his own is my thoughts.

ATB Darren

Edited September 4, 201014 yr by BROWNIE

I get offered to Dj at rallies and rarely take it up, as it is always as everyone mentions the same playlists but there is room for abit of creativity if you choose your moment. The last one I did was at Weston Last month and I got to say I loved Djing that night.

The floor stayed packed even when I played things like The Sound Masters, Tommy & The Derbys, Lonnie Russ + a few others you would'nt assume would be there bag but they seemed to love it and danced for the whole hour. I must admit I left thinking are things changing? it seems not reading this thread but that was my experience.

It also helps if there is a dedicated room for just northern as alot of the idiots go to the main room although there aint nowhere near as many of them these days as there were thank God.

Finally I wonder what the scootering fraternity would say about the progressive northern scene? I know most on here will say I couldn't give shite what they think and I suppose many scooterists would say the same about this thread, but its a good thread and each to his own is my thoughts.

ATB Darren

Yes - there is always the exception to th norm.

The Soul Room at the "Rhyl" Rally will be execllent again this year with Steve Thomas - Mark Speakman etc - spinning great tunes.

But the September Rhyl is not a national - It is run by a couple of clubs and the people involved know what is really missing out of a Rally Soul Room.

ie.......real music played on original vinyl by propper soul fans. ( IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FROM A NATIONAL ? )

The Soul room in Whitby was decent enough last time I was there a couple of years ago.

But sadly - these are the exception rarther than the norm.

Ho Hum

Edited September 4, 201014 yr by mossy

Finally I wonder what the scootering fraternity would say about the progressive northern scene? I know most on here will say I couldn't give shite what they think and I suppose many scooterists would say the same about this thread, but its a good thread and each to his own is my thoughts.

ATB Darren

Yes, But most posters on this thread are scooterists (me included)

Yes, But most posters on this thread are scooterists (me included)

me too

Medway Aces Scooter Club

I get offered to Dj at rallies and rarely take it up, as it is always as everyone mentions the same playlists but there is room for abit of creativity if you choose your moment. The last one I did was at Weston Last month and I got to say I loved Djing that night.

The floor stayed packed even when I played things like The Sound Masters, Tommy & The Derbys, Lonnie Russ + a few others you would'nt assume would be there bag but they seemed to love it and danced for the whole hour. I must admit I left thinking are things changing? it seems not reading this thread but that was my experience.

It also helps if there is a dedicated room for just northern as alot of the idiots go to the main room although there aint nowhere near as many of them these days as there were thank God.

Finally I wonder what the scootering fraternity would say about the progressive northern scene? I know most on here will say I couldn't give shite what they think and I suppose many scooterists would say the same about this thread, but its a good thread and each to his own is my thoughts.

ATB Darren

i would of been in soul heaven if there Darren unfortunatley although some quality does come through in the main it really is the same old same old and mainly cos the same djs playing all the time

me & my mate Steve have dj'd at a few scoot do's. we have a simple policy, Northern at night, but in the day its anything from 60s beat groups to ska to punk. keep the music nice on the ears in daylight then nice to the feet when it's dark

Rob

Totally agree with Rob and have attended a few of said events.....Across the board day and night. I will never find the R&B that I want at the Scooter events, so would hunt down Rob, Steve and other fine spinners for the other stuff I need to hear elsewhere.

Great for introducing Soul to the new Scooterists on the scene too. Give em a taste and they may wander off to hunt down some quality Soul at other events.

I've heard some cracking stuff at Scooter related events and Rallies but it's usually toward the end of the night when they are playing for themselves and long after the demand for dancefloor cheese had dwindled.

VFM events....You know what you are going to get!....

me too

Medway Aces Scooter Club

Im not.......

I think I'm both?

Totally agree with Rob and have attended a few of said events.....Across the board day and night. I will never find the R&B that I want at the Scooter events, so would hunt down Rob, Steve and other fine spinners for the other stuff I need to hear elsewhere.

Great for introducing Soul to the new Scooterists on the scene too. Give em a taste and they may wander off to hunt down some quality Soul at other events.

I've heard some cracking stuff at Scooter related events and Rallies but it's usually toward the end of the night when they are playing for themselves and long after the demand for dancefloor cheese had dwindled.

VFM events....You know what you are going to get!....

There doesnt seem to be any middle ground where the same old gets mixed up with newer stuff.I was at the Crown this year and some good stuff got played along with the cheese then it went on an r&b tip and the dancefloor emptied.Hipshaker was mostly r&b as well.As I said in a previous post there was a time when niters were ran at rallies and you could hear the big national northern tunes that were played on both scenes (where's Chris Burton???).Maybe there is room for an upfront northern soul night at the Isle Of Wight.Was at Mersea at the weekend and the problem there is that the canteen djs are schizophrenic....reggae for half an hour, soul for 20 mins then back to reggae.No continuity. If they did 2 hours soul then 2 hours reggae you would know where you would be.it was the same old same old but I didnt expect any more....I remember a run to France 2 years ago and got there and it was obscure r &b all night.....I would have loved the same old after riding for 8 hours.Nobody danced at all and we all left and decided to get hammered instead. You could tell the dj hadnt been in the saddle for 8 hours.When you think of all the quality northern soul deejays out there who would deejay on ovo and the amount of times you turn up and get part timers with CD's.If the Snake is going to get played how about Harvey Farquars version. How about Melinda Marx version of What?...a bit of inventiveness.My mate who is new into northern said one thing I have noticed about the scene is that everyone has an a

opinion.

Edited September 6, 201014 yr by wiggyflat

There are two seperate scooter scenes developing.... the 'official' BSRA ones and the smaller weekends.

I DJ'ed at Treakle Town SC's Scoots N Boots rally August Bank Holiday weekend. Maybe 200 people in a field getting drunk and having fun.

Unlike my experiences of DJing at major events, I was given an entirely free rein to play what I wanted. I only had a couple of hours and didn't want to play completely unknown stuff, just lesser known or heard oldies. Mixed it up with my other passion - rare and obscure modern ska (I can't imagine what fired that one up in the first place... I've stuff that seems to be completely unknown over here and I love it!) - and a bit of stuff from the punkier end of things and people were dancing.

The Snake wasn't played all weekend. None of the DJs got compaints about what they played, in fact I had a few people asking for track details after my sets.

These people were the crustier, older, lifestyle scooterists though... not the weekend warriors that rallies like the IoW tend to attract (Yes, I know a lot of lifestylers go there too, but I'll bet a lot hold the same opinions as those expressed on this thread).

I think it's a generations thing - those of us who have stuck with the scene through thick and thin have grown up with the changing face of northern soul, those who are drifing back into it want things the way they remember from 1985 when they buggered off to join the rat race and won't accept change.

surprised to hear that you get told what to play at "major events", we just book who we think are great DJs and let them play what they want/choose. of course, i'd guess they take account of the crowd in front of them when selecting their sets. and for the last couple of years we have also booked estabslished northern soul clubs for our guest club room, who likewise choose their guests and playlists.

Soul and scooters from back in the day.............Can you tell me whats on there panels......Nite Owl ? What do these lads have on their plaques? Okeh.Back when "real northern" (not popcorn r&b ) ruled the roost........and not like last night when ten of us pissed off back to the chalet at 2am because the music was too slow....and boring.Sorry the twist aint our bag.At 2am we want to be excited.........not "and the bugles played, oh the teardrops start", "Oh Im Coming Home, Oh Baby Im Come", You said you loved me but its just a lie.....she'll be gone.I would rather be trapped in a lift with DILY on permanently.Bring back Chris Burton. For all of his sins he did have an understanding of running niters having been running the Torch and employed some good northern deejays.Scooter rally northern as stopped in an 85 timewarp (Alfie Davidson,DILY,W.I.T.Water etc ) with some giffer oldies (Wade Flemons,Doug Banks,Sam Fletcher) and now this really old fashioned rockn roll /twist music.

Edited October 3, 201014 yr by wiggyflat

Northern and Scootering nothing better.

Not too sure if there are any differences?

im a die hard northern soulie. but credit to the scooter boys................ why ? cos they have a younger following as well as older guys & girls. the northern scene aint got enough young followers (or DJs) coming through thats needed to keep it alive. scooterists can always sell a £2000-£4000 scooter, but a soulie cant always sell a record that expensive. enjoy whatever you do i say.. TONY.

Ive djd at plenty of rallies and a good few Northern events and if its a northern room at a rally you will hear mostly the same cheesy stuff as thats what most of the crowd want, if its at somehwere like the IOW there are about 4 events on every night catering for Northern and you could hear something different but yet again mostly the same old stuff gets played as thats what the majority want, some djs try to mix it with lesser played stuff but if it dont go down well the place will empty pretty damn quick, scooter rallies are just like Oldies nights IMHO plenty of Soulies are scooterists but not all like something a bit different just the same old same old, thats why im bored shitless with scooter rally Soul Rooms cos its like ground hog day at ever rally, they like what they know and they grwol if they dont

Like you I am bored with scooter rally soul rooms, but I think a lot of it has to do with people returning to the scene and wanting it to be 1984 again & thats why the music has not moved on..We got around this by taking a generator to Mersea Island & setting up our own system by our tents:yes:

As usual the so called purist are spitting there dummys out!

Im a scooterist and have been since 82 been attending niters and rallys since then still am plus i dj aswell at soul doos aswell as the rallies also!

I enjoy both always have done you see people come and go on both scenes and moan and goan on both scenes but i wouldnt swop it for the world i love doing both but i must admit the disrespect that a scootrist gets at some doos on the northern scene is unreal!

It makes me laugh wot is it eh cos you ride a lammy or vespa means you just play and dance to commercial soul? No sorry it dont! My mentor when i was a fleet boy was ' soulie' he took me under his wing and he treated me no differant to anybody else even though i rode scoots 200 mile round trips to p/boro in them days!

Ive just djd the northern room at woolacombe played commercial and niter soul floor was full on the 3 spots i did and got clapped every song i played and there was some great dancers there also then i went and wrecked to the meteors

Afterwards wot you gonna say bout that then?

Ive just returned back from kings hall and yep same crap there the dirty looks the comments etc wots a phsyco scooter lad doing at a

Niter?

Everyone soons shuts up wen i get on the floor and they relise yes i can dance maybe not as good as i used to but i no my soul i attend both scenes have done since 82 but im a scooterist shoot me then!

Wot makes you any better? Cos you drive a beamer? Cos you dont skank to ska?

Think about it boys ive been a regular over the yrs to the fleet the ritz samanthas toney empress 100 club nantwich presty keele stafford stoke stives buzzard bretby and on and on but sometimes when ive been to a rally the northern room has been as good!

Dont slag it to you know wot ya on about! Last night at stoke nearly everything played was eot you get played at a northern room at a scoot rally!

So tell me wot ya harping on about i rest my case!

What the fook you on Pip

Like you I am bored with scooter rally soul rooms, but I think a lot of it has to do with people returning to the scene and wanting it to be 1984 again & thats why the music has not moved on..We got around this by taking a generator to Mersea Island & setting up our own system by our tents

Hi Steve how you diddling

Ipods are easier to carry around and dont smell of petrol

Not too sure if there are any differences?

we will fight them on the beaches in the car park

This is what we did at the weekend, https://www.tafsc.com/RTTW.htm

just does my head in! stoke was like being at a rally,

oldies & plenty of!

but cos its at a niter no one slates it but when its at a scooter rally the so called soul elite create

ive always played at scoot rallys a mix of commercial & niter songs & when i also dj @ soul doo's i do the same my emphasis is having a bouncing souling full dancefloor

rallies or soul doo's but after my spots at both i always get a clap & folk coming up & saying i aint danced to that for years cheers for playing it! & weve asked other dj's to play it but been told where to go some maybe cheesy soul like the snake,interplay etc,but also when i play what i play @ a proper so called northern night the floors still packed!

so i think ya all a bit out of date,plus not being horrible iow rally is not the best place to go for northern as its a glory boy rally & the dj's do have to indure a lot of stick

mick lloyd,pickles,kenn dunn,mischief, i love when they dj @ our doo's never heard them play the snake

il stick to my roots my scoots & playing what folk want @ scooter rallies or soul doo's & going to things big or small

been in both scenes too long to change now the music policy is no differant in both scenes just we party harder

Pip i think your missing what this thread is about, its not about slagging scooterist off its highlighting that Northern rooms in scootering prodomently play lots of "cheesy or popular oldies" northern and not upfront tuneage currently played at upfront soul events and nighters, Stoke is an Oldies nighter and no one is slagging it off it does exactly what it says on the tin and it does not play tunes to try to educate soulies it just gives them what they want and that is basically the same in scooter rally northern rooms, nothing wrong with it cos thats just how it is on rallies, some scooter rallies do play some upfront tuneage but more often than not it dont go down to well,

no one is saying every dj plays the snake but are you telling me you still dont get asked to play it when you dj at a rally cos only the other month at the Garden of England Rally i got asked to play it by 2 different people, did i play it, No but that dont make me elite i just cant stomach the tune, at the end of the day Scooter rally northern rooms are stuck in a time warp and i like many others are bored shitless in most of them but can you blame the dj, No cos they are giving what the crowd prodomently want and yes you do have to play to the masses and give them what they want and the likes of me and by the looks of it on this thread quite a few others that would like it to move more with the times, Tough, so what do we do we go and have the craic and accept it for what it is if not we fook off to the main room to do a bit of wrecking to the Worzels with straw hanging out my arse

ps, i hears the northern room at Wooly was buzzing as usual

Educate.........I can do that myself in refosoul.When Im out I want to be entertained and I want an atmosphere.I want fast soulful dance tunes that fill the floor.A mix of solid oldies with some lesser knowns and the odd few I don't know that are as good as the rest.I want some great seventies records as well. I'm not into so called "rare soul" at advertised northern soul nights.Call me old fashioned, blinkered, a non progressive.I don't care.And more importantly not an hour of obvious easy popular northern either.....I might play the snake but you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be Al Wilsons version.If it's advertised as northern soul I don't want doo wop, I don't want popcorn, I don't want r&b,I dont want latin,I dont want jazz,I don't want reggae masquerading as new northern.I wasn't getting what I wanted anywhere in the south.....so I started my own club.I'm not knocking any other musical genre (check out some of my posts).I love british jazz (Joe harriot/Phil Seaman/Tubby Hayes etc etc),latin...Costanzo/Candido/Puente/Palmieri brothers...reggae (Pama/Escort/Crab/Torpedo/Camel), prog rock (Arzachel/Secondhand/Locomotive/Out Of Darkness).......but is it too much to ask at a northern do for uptempo produced records based on the Four Tops-I Cant Help Myself beat??

Edited October 5, 201014 yr by wiggyflat

Educate.........I can do that myself in refosoul.When Im out I want to be entertained and I want an atmosphere.I want fast soulful dance tunes that fill the floor.A mix of solid oldies with some lesser knowns and the odd few I don't know that are as good as the rest.I'm not into so called "rare soul" at advertised northern soul nights.Call me old fashioned, blinkered, a non progressive.I don't care.And more importantly not an hour of obvious easy popular northern either.....I might play the snake but you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be Al Wilsons version.

and what rally is this at Wiggy ??

Groundhog day, too right it is:hatsoff2:

and what rally is this at Wiggy ??

You tell me...........I'm having trouble finding it.Am I the only one that wants it. Am I expecting too much to travel miles on a shopping bike and be entertained by deejays with a boxful of boots or deejays who travel in cars and then proceed to bedroom deejay me back to the chalet/tent.Camber this year was a disappointment. Friday was okay but saturday was schizophrenic.I remember listening to half an hour of mid tempo ender tracks at around 2am and then a bloke with glasses came on and started playing twist/popcorn music......jesus this is on til 6!!..we all decided to give it up as a bad night and ended up back at the chalets.As in the previous post what happened when the two scenes ran parallel and the northern deejays played on the rallies.Why isn't Jon Buck given spots or some of the big northern names?.Slowly introduce new records.......Can anyone recommend any good scooter rally northern soul rooms that have integrity? I as talking to Mark Sargeant on Saturday night for about an hour and thought why isn't he given a spot?

Edited October 5, 201014 yr by wiggyflat

You tell me...........I'm having trouble finding it.Am I the only one that wants it. Am I expecting too much to travel miles on a shopping bike and be entertained by deejays with a boxful of boots or deejays who travel in cars and then proceed to bedroom deejay me back to the chalet/tent.Camber this year was a disappointment. Friday was okay but saturday was schizophrenic.I remember listening to half an hour of mid tempo ender tracks at around 2am and then a bloke with glasses came on and started playing twist/popcorn music......jesus this is on til 6!!..we all decided to give it up as a bad night and ended up back at the chalets.As in the previous post what happened when the two scenes ran parallel and the northern deejays played on the rallies.Why isn't Jon Buck given spots or some of the big northern names?.Slowly introduce new records.......Can anyone recommend any good scooter rally northern soul rooms that have integrity? I as talking to Mark Sargeant on Saturday night for about an hour and thought why isn't he given a spot?

Wiggy i totally agree with you on everything you just posted, Camber was awful this year and i too lasted until just about 3 and just couldnt take no more and the dodgy deck didnt help though, that would be a cracking night for me too, Jock used to finish the night off at Camber and for the last 2 hours that was the best music played all night he mixed it up brilliantly and all original vinyl too but he never got an early spot wee live and hope

Wiggy i totally agree with you on everything you just posted, Camber was awful this year and i too lasted until just about 3 and just couldnt take no more and the dodgy deck didnt help though, that would be a cracking night for me too, Jock used to finish the night off at Camber and for the last 2 hours that was the best music played all night he mixed it up brilliantly and all original vinyl too but he never got an early spot wee live and hope

Add all these sorts of things up .

very hit or miss on the scooter scene if you like good soul music

things like the fact that the VFM either don't really care about pushing their soul rooms forward or they don't know how to..

what a wasted opportunity to push the scene forward and get it interesting and fun again ?

me not likey !

me stay at homey !

me ride me lambretta bout my towney on my owny !

Purist ?

hell yeah !

all i do is collect soul and 60s jamaican 45s ......................................

it would be nice to see the VFM get respected Northern Scene Jocks on one of their Soul rooms - fooking Ginger Taylor or Pat Brady would be a start

then they would realize that soulies would start popping along to scooter rallys and there would be more people attending

GET SOME DECENT JOCKS BACK ON THE RALLYS !!!

get rid of the cds !!!

and the pretend djs !

its only spoiling a what could be great bank holiday weekends !

Edited October 5, 201014 yr by mossy

I'ts not purist it is respect and integrity.The scooter scene seems to have lost it's way with northern soul.I travel miles on my scooter to rallies and get pissed off with plastic deejays playing plastic played to death northern soul from boots when there are deejays out there with respectable collections, who can hold a crowd,who can appreciate that after a hundred mile ride they want tunes to keep them awake and inspired instead of schizophrenic sets with enders in the middle of the night, rocknroll twist hours and r&b hours.As I said Sarge was there with his camera. He should have been on the decks 2am on Saturday.What happened to all the deejays from the summer? Anyway 11th Dec Southend.....Northern Soul Jihad (many of them scooterists too).

Funny enough ive still got a lambretta same one 25 years & call myself scooterist but was i at iow ? No i went to lifeline as dear old scooter rallies just dont do it for me for various reasons , like steve said earlier in the post ive expericened the ugly side of things late 80s at yarmouth , morcombe , margate , your dear old iow & weston super mare, looking back now when i think of it its quite sickening but at the time i didnt care & just got on with it even if it did end violently somtimes, even had some prick set his dog on to me at skegness , musically as bearsy says is pretty bang on from what i can remember of my last foray, i do have the odd scooter rally cameo appearance theese days as i still have some mateys who do the scooter thing regular. But from what i can make out of the scooter scene now it has a higher percentage of bullshitters & general tits than ever, im not saying all as there are still plenty of cracking people on the scene, but im sure you all know the sort straight out of the woodwork just add water & parka then listen to their ripping yarns , they may not be nasty like the right wing yobs of the 80s but still enough reason for me not to go ,so for me lifeline or any decent allnighter everytime as you know what to expect generally, musically & peoplewise.

And yes bearsy you were right about andrew crofts, what a player

Not too sure if there are any differences?

Sorry to alarm you Simon but I have just noticed that your scooter club has been infiltrated by second generation Japanese al-Qaeda

if you look to your far left you will fully understand,

This means you are now on terror alert Alpha Alpha

Funny enough ive still got a lambretta same one 25 years & call myself scooterist but was i at iow ? No i went to lifeline as dear old scooter rallies just dont do it for me for various reasons , like steve said earlier in the post ive expericened the ugly side of things late 80s at yarmouth , morcombe , margate , your dear old iow & weston super mare, looking back now when i think of it its quite sickening but at the time i didnt care & just got on with it even if it did end violently somtimes, even had some prick set his dog on to me at skegness , musically as bearsy says is pretty bang on from what i can remember of my last foray, i do have the odd scooter rally cameo appearance theese days as i still have some mateys who do the scooter thing regular. But from what i can make out of the scooter scene now it has a higher percentage of bullshitters & general tits than ever, im not saying all as there are still plenty of cracking people on the scene, but im sure you all know the sort straight out of the woodwork just add water & parka then listen to their ripping yarns , they may not be nasty like the right wing yobs of the 80s but still enough reason for me not to go ,so for me lifeline or any decent allnighter everytime as you know what to expect generally, musically & peoplewise.

And yes bearsy you were right about andrew crofts, what a player

I went onto the the phoenix and tony class rallys in the 80s

then on to rhythm n soul set and the untouchables rallys before fooking of when acid jazz wazz funky and e was gud in

1992

Its only as they have got older i have been able to tolerate the scooterboys

They were worse than casuals in the 80s

but yes................... prefer to stay at home now !

Edited October 5, 201014 yr by mossy

I went on the phoenix rallys in the 80s

Its only as they have got older i have been able to tolerate them

They were worse than casuals in the 80s

The phoenix rallys, the gay yank i believe he has now departed this world

The phoenix rallys, the gay yank i believe he has now departed this world

yup - dead

i believe he was a bad man if you were stupid

its a shame MJ will always be remembered from that time when he was the very reason why loads of people left the

scene or started there own new thing including Tony Class who started his own thing "classic club international"

loads of mods like Eddie Piller and Chad Frederick, Bob morris left the scene about 1985

Even with the success of Makin Time and on the back of his countdown label I think Eddiie Piller must have been nervous

around Mark Johnson and his mod society way of thinking.

looking back, it was probably just pre internet paedophilia.

most were on the ball

he was a bad man

and I am sure he is better off dead

Edited October 5, 201014 yr by mossy

yup - dead

i believe he was a bad man if you were stupid

its a shame MJ will always be remembered from that time when he was the very reason why loads of people left the

scene or started there own new thing including Tony Class who started his own thing "classic club international"

loads of mods like Eddie Piller and Chad Frederick, Bob morris left the scene about 1985

Even with the success of Makin Time and on the back of his countdown label I think Eddiie Piller must have been nervous

around Mark Johnson and his mod society way of thinking.

looking back, it was probably just pre internet paedophilia.

most were on the ball

he was a bad man

and I am sure he is better off dead

Saw him get off the train somewhere or other with 2 lads about 15 -16 all dressed in caverns finest dog tooth, i happened to be in the station & he took the piss out of some original levi sta press i had on , by saying nice flares i replied to him nice suit it matches your hair it was a silver suit he had on, he wasnt best pleased belittled in front of his little boyfreinds , a very bad man by all accounts death really suits him

Saw him get off the train somewhere or other with 2 lads about 15 -16 all dressed in caverns finest dog tooth, i happened to be in the station & he took the piss out of some original levi sta press i had on , by saying nice flares i replied to him nice suit it matches your hair it was a silver suit he had on, he wasnt best pleased belittled in front of his little boyfreinds , a very bad man by all accounts death really suits him

Yup - sounds like him

he was a creepy, arrogant, weir-do

Fxxxk me this has gone off tangent. Mark Johnson....dead RIP.Now the scooter scene now.Had enough of Camber boots /Mersea Canteen reggae canteen/early twisted wheels sounds....altho they did get up to Love factory this year.Is there anywhere on the scooter scene with credible northern. The place where after you have ridden 100 miles and just want to get on it with top tunes exist without the matrix car drivers/oldies from boots/progressive newies fellers exist............and has anybody mentioned the crap dance competitions??

Fxxxk me this has gone off tangent. Mark Johnson....dead RIP.Now the scooter scene now.Had enough of Camber boots /Mersea Canteen reggae canteen/early twisted wheels sounds....altho they did get up to Love factory this year.Is there anywhere on the scooter scene with credible northern. The place where after you have ridden 100 miles and just want to get on it with top tunes exist without the matrix car drivers/oldies from boots/progressive newies fellers exist............and has anybody mentioned the crap dance competitions??

Wiggy if you find that place let me know and please dont mention the dance competitions to be honest ive now sold all me scooters barr 1 but thats only a plastic Runner and its broken down and can i be bothered to repair it Marie hasnt bothered putting MOT on her small frame this year and although i wouldnt mind getting another wether it be another TS1 or even just a small frame i can honestly think of better things to do at weekends and better things to waste me money on than to ride upto 300 miles each way for the most tedious and mediocre entertainment just so i can catch up with freinds and get pissed, we can all do that any weekend so being so bloody picky with rallies now, saying that im loving the Speed Demons outlook to scootering and the music they are playing

i get bored far to quickly and easily and i just need inspiration and freshness and not keep living in a time warp on groundhog day

The Scooter/Mod Scene in the 80s introduced me to Northern Soul

Don't know what it's like now, as i have not been since the 80s, but the Scooterist's that i knew where very much into the music

Debbie x

scooter rally.bmp

Edited October 7, 201014 yr by parkash

The Scooter/Mod Scene in the 80s introduced me to Northern Soul

Don't know what it's like now, as i have not been since the 80s, but the Scooterist's that i knew where very much into the music

Debbie x

Read the thread Debbie and it will give you an idea what most think if you can be bothered that is , but in short, its a shame it aint like it used to be in other words its probably gone backwards and not progressed, in parts yes in general no, if you know what i mean

Funny enough ive still got a lambretta same one 25 years & call myself scooterist but was i at iow ? No i went to lifeline as dear old scooter rallies just dont do it for me for various reasons , like steve said earlier in the post ive expericened the ugly side of things late 80s at yarmouth , morcombe , margate , your dear old iow & weston super mare, looking back now when i think of it its quite sickening but at the time i didnt care & just got on with it even if it did end violently somtimes, even had some prick set his dog on to me at skegness , musically as bearsy says is pretty bang on from what i can remember of my last foray, i do have the odd scooter rally cameo appearance theese days as i still have some mateys who do the scooter thing regular. But from what i can make out of the scooter scene now it has a higher percentage of bullshitters & general tits than ever, im not saying all as there are still plenty of cracking people on the scene, but im sure you all know the sort straight out of the woodwork just add water & parka then listen to their ripping yarns , they may not be nasty like the right wing yobs of the 80s but still enough reason for me not to go ,so for me lifeline or any decent allnighter everytime as you know what to expect generally, musically & peoplewise.

And yes bearsy you were right about andrew crofts, what a player

Can we have him back please

Read the thread Debbie and it will give you an idea what most think if you can be bothered that is , but in short, its a shame it aint like it used to be in other words its probably gone backwards and not progressed, in parts yes in general no, if you know what i mean

Yes i know what you mean

I can't really comment on the scooter scene today, because i have not been for years, but thing's do change over the years.

Most of the folk that i knew, dressed to the age of there scooter's in Mod clothing & only listened to 60's music, Northern, Ska & Rnb.........nowday's i see all sort's of folk with vintage scooter's, that are not interested in the music or clothing or living the lifestyle........................but it's the same on the Rockabilly scene, some people like the whole package & some just prefer part's of the scene..................i have always enjoyed the whole package my motto is...................if your going to do something, do the lot!

Debbie x

Edited October 7, 201014 yr by parkash

Yes i know what you mean

I can't really comment on the scooter scene today, because i have not been for years, but thing's do change over the years.

Most of the folk that i knew, dressed to the age of there scooter's in Mod clothing & only listened to 60's music, Northern, Ska & Rnb.........nowday's i see all sort's of folk with vintage scooter's, that are not interested in the music or clothing or living the lifestyle........................but it's the same on the Rockabilly scene, some people like the whole package & some just prefer part's of the scene..................i have always enjoyed the whole package my motto is...................if your going to do something, do the lot!

Debbie x

All or nothing eh Debbie nice motto

HAVING JUST GOT BACK FROM I O W SCOOTER WEEKEND ,IT OCCURED TO ME HOW WORLDS APART IT WAS TO THE NORTHERN SCENE ? THEY ARE THE ALMOST THE SAME PEOPLE IN FACT I MET LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH OUT SCOOTERS JUST DOWN FOR THE WEEKEND THAT I KNOW OFF THE NORTHERN SCENE ,YET FOR SOME REASON THEY SEEM A LOT MORE OPEN MINDED ,MAY BE ITS THE SEA AIR ? WHAT DO YOU THINK !

Hi good topic.

For me the common gound was being with mates and drinking alcohol. The music was in the background on the rally scene when i used to go in the early eighties and we used to talk about certain tracks that were played at the allnighters "house of Bamboo" Earl Grant Suspicion etc etc .loads of stuff after the event.

As we were Mods in those days we found there was a life style to be had and so we lived it.

The Rallies involved the scooters with the variety and the rarity. We were not earning alot in those days so taking part just about emptied your pocket of your wages.

Overtime the nighters and the Northern soul music took over ( the northern scene seemed more mature at the time) This seemed like a natural progression a little bit like the original mods moving into the soul music and the Ska scene.

Now having done both and still being an active member of the soul scene and still having the scooters i can enjoy them both . But to be honest i would struggle to cross the country on one of my scooters today without suffering from a bad back and serious cramp in my hands.

If you have experience in both scenes then i guess you can relate to more.More opened minded ????

I don't think so , more knowledgable about both scenes , yes .

The two scenes have always complimented one another IMO.

Long may they both continue

Cheers Frank Norwich Backstreet soul club / Norwich Broadsmen Scooter club

The Scooter/Mod Scene in the 80s introduced me to Northern Soul

Don't know what it's like now, as i have not been since the 80s, but the Scooterist's that i knew where very much into the music

Debbie x

you still might hear great music on the mod scene

Edited October 8, 201014 yr by mossy

Hi good topic.

For me the common gound was being with mates and drinking alcohol. The music was in the background on the rally scene when i used to go in the early eighties and we used to talk about certain tracks that were played at the allnighters "house of Bamboo" Earl Grant Suspicion etc etc .loads of stuff after the event.

As we were Mods in those days we found there was a life style to be had and so we lived it.

The Rallies involved the scooters with the variety and the rarity. We were not earning alot in those days so taking part just about emptied your pocket of your wages.

Overtime the nighters and the Northern soul music took over ( the northern scene seemed more mature at the time) This seemed like a natural progression a little bit like the original mods moving into the soul music and the Ska scene.

Now having done both and still being an active member of the soul scene and still having the scooters i can enjoy them both . But to be honest i would struggle to cross the country on one of my scooters today without suffering from a bad back and serious cramp in my hands.

If you have experience in both scenes then i guess you can relate to more.More opened minded ????

I don't think so , more knowledgable about both scenes , yes .

The two scenes have always complimented one another IMO.

Long may they both continue

Cheers Frank Norwich Backstreet soul club / Norwich Broadsmen Scooter club

I must admit, I am riding to kelso on my lambretta in 2011 if I don't get to go anywhere else.

i have heard the jocks love their original 60s tunes and like a drink

and there is not a chance of seeing a madness tribute band.

so it sounds appealing

Edited October 7, 201014 yr by mossy