Hi could someone give me the rough price for 'Twinkle Little Star' by these groups please.

If I've got these the right way round the Traditions used to be about £400 and the Parisians about £7/800. Both well in demand (and overplayed IMO) and price has risen. Last Parisians on ebay well over £1k. Think the last Traditions I saw was around £700. But as I said in demand and you never know what would happen in an auction and two lunatics wanted either bad enough.

Parisians, $1980 (Vg+) June this year on evilbay..........one a month later for $677 (described as good condition)

If I've got these the right way round the Traditions used to be about £400 and the Parisians about £7/800. Both well in demand (and overplayed IMO) and price has risen. Last Parisians on ebay well over £1k. Think the last Traditions I saw was around £700. But as I said in demand and you never know what would happen in an auction and two lunatics wanted either bad enough.

OK cheers,thanks a lot.

Hi could someone give me the rough price for 'Twinkle Little Star' by these groups please.

Parisians has been re issued don't know if that will change thing's price wise on an original regards ect.

Parisians has been re issued don't know if that will change thing's price wise on an original regards ect.

This track has recently been re-issued on a very convincing 'Demon Hot' label but it is a one sided 45' - "twinkle little star/blank"

Dave.

If I've got these the right way round the Traditions used to be about £400 and the Parisians about £7/800. Both well in demand (and overplayed IMO) and price has risen. Last Parisians on ebay well over £1k. Think the last Traditions I saw was around £700. But as I said in demand and you never know what would happen in an auction and two lunatics wanted either bad enough.

traditions better version imo

Speaking of the Parisians, which was an ex 100 Club spin for Irish Greg many, many moons ago, hands up who recalls Shifty's Parisians c/up, 'The Deep, Deep South'...now that is a belter of a tune inna similar style!

Speaking of the Parisians, which was an ex 100 Club spin for Irish Greg many, many moons ago, hands up who recalls Shifty's Parisians c/up, 'The Deep, Deep South'...now that is a belter of a tune inna similar style!

The Parisians: many collectors had it in the 7ts and 8ts (an old £4 record) and played in various clubs before the 100 club. Almost an oldie by the time it was played at the 100 club.

The Parisians: many collectors had it in the 7ts and 8ts (an old £4 record) and played in various clubs before the 100 club. Almost an oldie by the time it was played at the 100 club.

Was gonna say this myself, heard it on tape then bought it for £6 late 70`s

traditions better version imo

Traditions is much rarer than the Parisians, but deff an inferior cut. The Demon Hot issue has a much stronger backing track.

The Parisians: many collectors had it in the 7ts and 8ts (an old £4 record) and played in various clubs before the 100 club. Almost an oldie by the time it was played at the 100 club.

True enough...I paid £8 for mine and never considered it a tough tune to find.

I cited the 100 Club/Greg reference as he pushed it overground for many, and it linked nicely to my 100 Club/Shifty/Parisians c/up point!

Edited October 29, 201113 yr by Flynny

Hi,

I have to agree regarding the comments re Parisians supposed rarity. I picked it up from Keb for under a fiver in the early 80s (It came from Bernie Golding's hoard). You often saw the record and it never commanded a big ticket.

All best

Ion

Whatever the Parisians cost 20/25 or 30 years ago it now commands a big price. As for which is rarer, try finding either these days.

Manship has the Parisians in his book at £700 and the Traditions at £450 I think.

Are the Traditions the same group as on Barclay? The Parisians sound black to me, not that it matters....well to some it does.

I was talking to Paul Trefzger of Saxony records who recorded The Traditions on Barclay who were definitely white and he thinks the Traditions on Abet were the same group although he wasn't sure. He found th e Traditions to record the song he had "Forever and Always". The conversations were about three years ago and came about because someone thought at the time the Ditalians and the Traditions were the same group and Paul said they were definitely not as the Ditalians were black, Bruce Tolbert was the lead of the Ditalians and 16 at the time, he died in the 70's. Some of the Ditalians went onto success with 24 Carat Black.

Think have posted this somewhere before but the lead singer of the Parisians was basically bananas, would only sing if he was allowed to wear his glove puppet of a cockroach, the flip of the 45 has him singing in the puppet's "voice", track of course sounds terrible but pretty funny at the same time, takes all sorts eh

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Whatever the Parisians cost 20/25 or 30 years ago it now commands a big price. As for which is rarer, try finding either these days.

Manship has the Parisians in his book at £700 and the Traditions at £450 I think.

Are the Traditions the same group as on Barclay? The Parisians sound black to me, not that it matters....well to some it does.

I was talking to Paul Trefzger of Saxony records who recorded The Traditions on Barclay who were definitely white and he thinks the Traditions on Abet were the same group although he wasn't sure. He found th e Traditions to record the song he had "Forever and Always". The conversations were about three years ago and came about because someone thought at the time the Ditalians and the Traditions were the same group and Paul said they were definitely not as the Ditalians were black, Bruce Tolbert was the lead of the Ditalians and 16 at the time, he died in the 70's. Some of the Ditalians went onto success with 24 Carat Black.

The Traditions on Barclay (from Pottsville, PA) recorded three 45s, the first one was a garage sound on Richie. All white guys. In 1970 the band had evolved into another band, Sweet Vengance, and released one 45 on MGM. They are not the group that recorded for A-bet. The Pottsville Traditions story has been covered in a book and on a CD, with pics, etc.

The Traditions on Barclay (from Pottsville, PA) recorded three 45s, the first one was a garage sound on Richie. All white guys. In 1970 the band had evolved into another band, Sweet Vengance, and released one 45 on MGM. They are not the group that recorded for A-bet. The Pottsville Traditions story has been covered in a book and on a CD, with pics, etc.

I sent Paul a picture of the Pottsville Traditions and it was first time he had seen it, he said they looked familiar. It was he who said they could be the same as the Abet group but wasn't sure, I mentioned at the time they didn't sound the same. I'll dig the e-mails out when I get the chance.

I sent Paul a picture of the Pottsville Traditions and it was first time he had seen it, he said they looked familiar. It was he who said they could be the same as the Abet group but wasn't sure, I mentioned at the time they didn't sound the same. I'll dig the e-mails out when I get the chance.

If you really want to settle this, I would suggest you contact a band member, or Erik Lindgren at Arf Arf records, the guy who put together the comp that featured the songs (from which you've posted the pic.....want to make sure he gets the credit) and find out from the source.

Picture from Heey Baby Beach Days book, never seen the comp. I'll have a look out for it. I believe you btw, just quoting what Paul Trefzger said.

I remember first hearing the Parisians played out at Bedford all-nighter, around '81, some time before Irish Gregg latched on to it. Mick Godfrey had turned up a few copies at the time and was knocking them out for a fiver. It just goes to show that really, really bad records without a trace of soul given enough deck time can become monster floor fillers, and fetch crazy values.... only on the Northern scene....

I didn't buy it then for a fiver, and I wouldn't now. Chalky's right, it's totally played out, but there's a better reason that it shouldn't be played......it's awful.... IMO of course.

https://www.ebay.co.u...d8#ht_594wt_932

haha this guy is trying to say this is an original copy surely this has got to be a re-issue?

Edited November 16, 201113 yr by thfcliam

Yes mate it is regards Simon.

At least one giveaway is the size of (Ernie Fields). On the original the first bracket is just under the K in Twinkle, on that one it's under the I and N.

So, a little Ern is a goodun

Can't make it out in the crap blurry pic, but there's too much writing on the right as well.

someone told me a guy was playing this at a scooter weekender covered up and it was off the pressing!!!!!!! er derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, lol.

someone told me a guy was playing this at a scooter weekender covered up and it was off the pressing!!!!!!! er derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, lol.

Well, if you was playing a pressing you would cover it up wouldn't you ??

Tony

Well, if you was playing a pressing you would cover it up wouldn't you ??

Tony

out of shame you mean, LOL.

I think having 6 available is a slight give away

Doc

oh bugger! , just bought one for £10 , my dream of being a dj, begin and end in a day ....never mind will cover it up

so my kids dont see it , will a tea towel do

What he actually states is ORIGINAL LABEL...clever wording methinks, though he does state RARE ITEM further down the description...should a repress of 500 be considered rare (presuming it's a 500 run?).....and yes, the number available is pretty much a dead giveaway.

I heard recently that up until the 50 year licensing rule got extended to 70 years, that pretty much every big Northern record was set to be pressed on lookalikie lables, in the same vein as the current R&B reissues.

Have seen quite a few lookalikies lately, most are dead obvious, but on ebay with a poor scan and clever wording it's probably best to do your homework before 'bagging a bargain' so to speak.

The easiest way to check is to go on ebay.com and do a search for the item.......cus if some-one's selling them, then you can bet a good few others are as well......as below,

https://www.ebay.com/...-All-Categories

Edited November 17, 201113 yr by Mace

Are all these look a likes coming from one source/ factory/ maker or is it widespread with many people knocking them out..

We are being swamped with fakes, are they from mars , USA or some place down the M6 ..

If the answer aint for public consumption then can someone please drop me a message....

Two topics covering the same record merged.

Whatever the Parisians cost 20/25 or 30 years ago it now commands a big price. As for which is rarer, try finding either these days.

Manship has the Parisians in his book at £700 and the Traditions at £450 I think.

Are the Traditions the same group as on Barclay? The Parisians sound black to me, not that it matters....well to some it does.

I was talking to Paul Trefzger of Saxony records who recorded The Traditions on Barclay who were definitely white and he thinks the Traditions on Abet were the same group although he wasn't sure. He found th e Traditions to record the song he had "Forever and Always". The conversations were about three years ago and came about because someone thought at the time the Ditalians and the Traditions were the same group and Paul said they were definitely not as the Ditalians were black, Bruce Tolbert was the lead of the Ditalians and 16 at the time, he died in the 70's. Some of the Ditalians went onto success with 24 Carat Black.

butch had a parisians for sale at prestatyn im almost sure he had a grand on it but could be wrong , i also remember another about 5 months back on ian clarks auction it reached over a grand or over

i was also offerd a grand for my own copy of the traditions . it apears that regardles of opinions on here there is stil plenty demand for the record no matter which recording of it , personally i dont play it anymore

Are all these look a likes coming from one source/ factory/ maker or is it widespread with many people knocking them out.. We are being swamped with fakes, are they from mars , USA or some place down the M6 .. If the answer aint for public consumption then can someone please drop me a message....

im told up yorkshire and further down in the midlands . or may be the source is up yorkshire n rest are disributors

I think having 6 available is a slight give away

Doc

Like The Four Tracks..Royal Esquires, Clara Hardy ect ect