Velours On Mgm

[Theothertosspot]

Can anyone verify, was the Velours, "I'm Gonna Change" ever booted on a MGM lookalike demo, and if so, when and is it difficult to distinguish from an original?

Any info gratefully received

Regards TOTP

[Pete S]

It was, original is a lot more felxible than the boot but it's a very very good lookalike, sorry can't remember any more info of the top of my head but MGM/Verve records often have a 'bed' stamp, have a look for that (rectangular stamp)

[Theothertosspot]

It was, original is a lot more felxible than the boot but it's a very very good lookalike, sorry can't remember any more info of the top of my head but MGM/Verve records often have a 'bed' stamp, have a look for that (rectangular stamp)

Thanks for that, shall check the run out groove

Regards Bob

[Rob Wigley]

I found 2 copies of this bootleg in Subway records in New York in 1979--they look just like the real thing--pre scanners and good photocopiers as well--suspect they were booted for the US market ?

Not seen one since then--but as I recall may not be as Crisp printing--a rare boot !!!

Rob

[Guest allnightandy]

Doctor Manship says:it has been booted twice on MGM

The print definition on the boot is not as clear the original

matrix reads k13780103,021 with a matrix stamp that looks like (bed)1/8 of a turn before the numbers

the (bed) stamp turns up a lot on MGM and Verve releases

[Pete S]

the (bed) stamp turns up a lot on MGM and Verve releases

Echo

[Soul16]

This is a scan of the bootleg.

I bought this around 1979, assuming it to be an original.

As stated above, the print isn't quite as sharp as a real one, although it's plenty good enough to fool the ill-informed. The sound quality is very good, although it does deteriorate slightly as the song progresses - it was the sound quality that first suggested to me that it was a boot.

[Theothertosspot]

This is a scan of the bootleg.

I bought this around 1979, assuming it to be an original.

As stated above, the print isn't quite as sharp as a real one, although it's plenty good enough to fool the ill-informed. The sound quality is very good, although it does deteriorate slightly as the song progresses - it was the sound quality that first suggested to me that it was a boot.

See what you mean, the original (on the right) has much clearer numbers and letters, and is much sharper.

Also, this may be just a coincidence, but weren't the Eddie Regan and Yum Yum's booted in a similar way at around the same time, and what market were they aimed at, UK or US?

Regards Bob

[Theothertosspot]

This is a scan of the bootleg.

I bought this around 1979, assuming it to be an original.

As stated above, the print isn't quite as sharp as a real one, although it's plenty good enough to fool the ill-informed. The sound quality is very good, although it does deteriorate slightly as the song progresses - it was the sound quality that first suggested to me that it was a boot.

I suppose in 79 you would think it to be an original, as there perhaps weren't many proper ones to compare against, plus at the time we were all still learning, whilst still being duped (perhaps thats how we learned - the hard way)

Regards Bob

[Soul16]

When examined closely, the print quality lacks the sharp definition of the original, or any other MGM demo for that matter. There's not much in it, but it is there. It's more obvious when my posted scan is enlarged.

I may be wrong, but I've always assumed that they were aimed at the UK market.