Sure some of you will have bought the recent release of the stunning Gregory Porter - 1960what limited release for record store day & were also lead to believe that there were only 500 hand numbered copy's.

Actually bought a copy myself even though I had the cd release from a few months ago as I rather wrongly thought that there were only going to be 500 as stated by Richard Searling & Ralph Tee who own / run Expansion records.

Also a few people have been paying up to 50 pounds a copy for what Expansion said was a limited release.

Now look at this.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREGORY-PORTER-1960-What-Original-Mix-NEW-SOUL-R-B-12-VINYL-EXPANSION?item=160809007107&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8740312541290080718#ht_4281wt_944

An Expansion issue of said record.

An explanation would be nice for the 500 cheated collectors who thought they were getting a limited release.

RE: I'd expect to hear that type of rhetoric from divvies, but it's a bit odd to hear it in soul music circles.

Steve, I think you will find that there are 100's of divvies in soul music circles.

I know a guy who loves 70's Curtis Mayfield & yet don't like 1960's Impression's track .... go figure; he has to be a real divvie.

Ask that bloke who drags his kids around with him on buying trips to knock one up in 5 minutes to save that criminal mastermind Tee bothering me to do it for him.

Roger

Oh, I see. You work for Expansion and 'designed' that piece of shit label - this explains why you're just a little bit touchy in your responses. I'm sorry, but while I could piss better designs in the snow while drunk I wouldn't lift a finger for those shysters at Expansion.

It's been useful to hear your impartial views on the matter though...

Oh, I see. You work for Expansion and 'designed' that piece of shit label - this explains why you're just a little bit touchy in your responses. I'm sorry, but while I could piss better designs in the snow while drunk I wouldn't lift a finger for those shysters at Expansion.

It's been useful to hear your impartial views on the matter though...

No mate, I was touchy because of the slanderous rubbish some of you rare soul zealots come out with because a record label in the business of selling records has hurt your little ego and given others the chance to own something you do, not because of petulant criticism of basic label artwork.

Think its time to draw a line under this one now ....heard from both sides of the coin /perspectives so people can draw conclusions ?

If Gregory Porter makes it as an artist ,he'll probs make his fortune from cd and music downloads rather than from vinyl sales

Think its time to draw a line under this one now ....heard from both sides of the coin /perspectives so people can draw conclusions ?

If Gregory Porter makes it as an artist ,he'll probs make his fortune from cd and music downloads rather than from vinyl sales

Agreed, Nev, and actually, as a footnote to this, I fully understand why somebody might be miffed that what they thought was an exclusive turned out not to be, but that doesn't give them the right to accuse a company of underlying business malpractice in order to fool their customers, sorry but that's just wrong. But if you think about it, the first numbered issue of this record is always going to be the one any future collectors will want, so really I don't think anyone who bought one of the first 500 has been badly done to, certainly not for a tenner, do you?

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Roger

Agreed, Nev, and actually, as a footnote to this, I fully understand why somebody might be miffed that what they thought was an exclusive turned out not to be, but that doesn't give them the right to accuse a company of underlying business malpractice in order to fool their customers, sorry but that's just wrong. But if you think about it, the first numbered issue of this record is always going to be the one any future collectors will want, so really I don't think anyone who bought one of the first 500 has been badly done to, certainly not for a tenner, do you?

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Roger

Is that a subsiduary of Expansion records Roger

P.s Talking of Teacup .... I think i heard Ralph shouting for his afternoon cuppa

P.s Talking of Teacup .... I think i heard Ralph shouting for his afternoon cuppa

Ha haaa, a man after my own heart, love it!!

Perhaps Expansion should have done like most other record companies do on Record Store Day? Release a limited edition record (or expensive box-set item) in 500 or 1000 copies of something that most likely would never ever sell more than that even if it was on general release.

Most of the RSD release are forgettable or "interesting" at best. Putting out a "hit record" (well, everything is relative...) like the Gregory Porter tune as a limited RSD "exclusive" is baffling to me. Why not put it out on general release and sell thousands of copies instead? With a tune like that buyers don't need a special incentive to pull money out of their pockets.

With a tune like that buyers don't need a special incentive to pull money out of their pockets.

It would take the incentive of extreme sexual favours(*)(**) to make me buy that!

(*) not from Expansion staff

(**) or some beer

Bloody hell it's getting just like E.M.S,come on ladies dummies back in gobs and rattles back in prams please.

Perhaps Expansion should have done like most other record companies do on Record Store Day? Release a limited edition record (or expensive box-set item) in 500 or 1000 copies of something that most likely would never ever sell more than that even if it was on general release.

Most of the RSD release are forgettable or "interesting" at best. Putting out a "hit record" (well, everything is relative...) like the Gregory Porter tune as a limited RSD "exclusive" is baffling to me. Why not put it out on general release and sell thousands of copies instead? With a tune like that buyers don't need a special incentive to pull money out of their pockets.

On the ball as usual Sebastian

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GREGORY-PORTER-1960-What-RARE-modern-soul-12-NORTHERN-SOUL-jazz-dancer-RSD-HEAR-/370618397323?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item564a93f28b

On the ball as usual Sebastian

https://www.ebay.com/...=item564a93f28b

Ofcourse!

RE: Most of the RSD release are forgettable or "interesting" at best

In your opinion only ..... I know that just about all of the Ace RSD releases are very much sought after & you have to be a lucky punter to actually get a copy of some of them.

Of course, you can always buy the track on the alternative CD release (which most folks do). But as we all know, some folk are vinyl only.

RE: Most of the RSD release are forgettable or "interesting" at best

In your opinion only ..... I know that just about all of the Ace RSD releases are very much sought after & you have to be a lucky punter to actually get a copy of some of them.

The Ace/Kent RSD releases are ofcourse - like everything they do - of fantastic quality. That pretty much goes without saying.

But in general, the well-put-together soul releases put out on RSD are comparatively few compared to the vast majority that comes from major labels and pop/rock labels. There's been some totally mindboggling releases during the recent RSD. How about these five 45s from SIRE for example:

#1. The Ramones - Bliztkrieg Bop

#2. The Flamin' Groovies - Shake Some Action

#3. Richard Hell & The Voidoids - Blank Generation

#4. Dead Boys - Sonic Reducer

#5. Patti Smith - Piss Factory

ALL TRACKS on these 45s are fantastic classics and some of my all time faves, but the RSD 45s above are totally unnecessary and forgettable releases as you can buy all of them on their original Sire 45 releases cheaper than what the RSD releases retail for. That also goes for many of the major labels that do straight reissues of standard LPs from their catalogue in limited editions on RSD. That's what I meant when I wrote that most labels don't risk putting out a limited edition RSD release of something that has got the potential to become a huge seller. Most labels just clean out their closets and reissue a bunch of stuff that they already have made enough money from or release stuff that is of interest to such a small specialist market that 500 or 1000 copies is enough.

This is ofcourse NOT valid for some of the high quality specialist labels, like Kent/Ace etc.

Edited May 31, 201212 yr by Sebastian

The Ace/Kent RSD releases are ofcourse - like everything they do - of fantastic quality. That pretty much goes without saying.

But in general, the well-put-together soul releases put out on RSD are comparatively few compared to the vast majority that comes from major labels and pop/rock labels. There's been some totally mindboggling releases during the recent RSD.

Similarly, the vast majority of RSD releases are bought by speculators to resell on ebay to make a quick buck - which, i guess, is the perk you get for queueing up from 3am outside a record shop in April - which makes me increasingly cynical about the whole thing. This year I didn't even bother stocking the Ace releases - though I think I've still got some of the 2010 ones about...