Gregory Porter - 1960 What?

[Steve G]

Spot on Ian, nobody who bought the original release is going to have missed out, they're simply miffed because they don't want others to have what they have, as usual.

What a thread like this highlights is the inherent selfishness and self-absorbed unreasonable nature of the rare soul record collector, always unwilling to take in a different viewpoint to their own and when faced with overwhelming sensible explanations as to why they might be wrong, simply ignore what's been explained in the clearest terms, and simply reiterate their initial weak argument over and over again.

The best bit of this thread for me though has been the "I sat for four hours in a car with my kids so Expansion are a bunch of bastards". Priceless comedy, you couldn't make it up!!

Roger

On a par possibly with those who make reference to people "wanking over their vinyl"? . You could make a statement like that about any passion - following a 2nd Division football club for example, keen on keeping fit, or raving about 2nd rate house 12 remakes of old Paul Weller songs, or anything else that someone is passionate about (and all of which I have seen from critics of Cunnie's post on here). I'd expect to hear that type of rhetoric it from divvies, but it's a bit odd to hear it in soul music circles.

Collecting is collecting it's far from perfect, so by all means feel free to have a bit of a knockabout about 'self obsession', one-upmanship and the unreasonableness of the collector, I doubt any collector in their heart of hearts would fail to recognise those traits. We all know collecting is an obsessive pastime! It's no different on the modern scene incidentally where every DJ wants to have an exclusive or three that no one else has to rock the place, whether you guys admit it or not.

But maybe think twice about bothering with a Record store Day 'limited edition for collectors' next time, cos I suspect many of us who already have the track will just wait for the discount bins.....rather than shelling out for a different format of something we already have.

Let's be honest about it for a moment and contrary to Ian's usual OTT uber-hyperbole : (£10k - purrleez! ) there will not likely be any demand for a Gregory Porter 12" single in ten or twenty years time, any more than there is any demand for 99% of 12s that have come out in the last 20 years, often in runs of less than 500 copies. With a few exceptions you can't give the feckers away.

Just maybe we'll need the plastic for something else by then?

Steve

Edited May 31, 2012 by Steve G

[Roburt]

RE: I'd expect to hear that type of rhetoric from divvies, but it's a bit odd to hear it in soul music circles.

Steve, I think you will find that there are 100's of divvies in soul music circles.

I know a guy who loves 70's Curtis Mayfield & yet don't like 1960's Impression's track .... go figure; he has to be a real divvie.

[Guest proteus]

Ask that bloke who drags his kids around with him on buying trips to knock one up in 5 minutes to save that criminal mastermind Tee bothering me to do it for him.

Roger

Oh, I see. You work for Expansion and 'designed' that piece of shit label - this explains why you're just a little bit touchy in your responses. I'm sorry, but while I could piss better designs in the snow while drunk I wouldn't lift a finger for those shysters at Expansion.

It's been useful to hear your impartial views on the matter though...

[Roger Williams]

Oh, I see. You work for Expansion and 'designed' that piece of shit label - this explains why you're just a little bit touchy in your responses. I'm sorry, but while I could piss better designs in the snow while drunk I wouldn't lift a finger for those shysters at Expansion.

It's been useful to hear your impartial views on the matter though...

No mate, I was touchy because of the slanderous rubbish some of you rare soul zealots come out with because a record label in the business of selling records has hurt your little ego and given others the chance to own something you do, not because of petulant criticism of basic label artwork.

[NEV]

Think its time to draw a line under this one now ....heard from both sides of the coin /perspectives so people can draw conclusions ?

If Gregory Porter makes it as an artist ,he'll probs make his fortune from cd and music downloads rather than from vinyl sales

[Roger Williams]

Think its time to draw a line under this one now ....heard from both sides of the coin /perspectives so people can draw conclusions ?

If Gregory Porter makes it as an artist ,he'll probs make his fortune from cd and music downloads rather than from vinyl sales

Agreed, Nev, and actually, as a footnote to this, I fully understand why somebody might be miffed that what they thought was an exclusive turned out not to be, but that doesn't give them the right to accuse a company of underlying business malpractice in order to fool their customers, sorry but that's just wrong. But if you think about it, the first numbered issue of this record is always going to be the one any future collectors will want, so really I don't think anyone who bought one of the first 500 has been badly done to, certainly not for a tenner, do you?

This thread brought to you by Soul Source 'Storm In A Teacup' Productions.

Roger

[NEV]

Agreed, Nev, and actually, as a footnote to this, I fully understand why somebody might be miffed that what they thought was an exclusive turned out not to be, but that doesn't give them the right to accuse a company of underlying business malpractice in order to fool their customers, sorry but that's just wrong. But if you think about it, the first numbered issue of this record is always going to be the one any future collectors will want, so really I don't think anyone who bought one of the first 500 has been badly done to, certainly not for a tenner, do you?

This thread brought to you by Soul Source 'Storm In A Teacup' Productions.

Roger

Is that a subsiduary of Expansion records Roger

P.s Talking of Teacup .... I think i heard Ralph shouting for his afternoon cuppa

[Roger Williams]

P.s Talking of Teacup .... I think i heard Ralph shouting for his afternoon cuppa

Ha haaa, a man after my own heart, love it!!

[Sebastian]

Perhaps Expansion should have done like most other record companies do on Record Store Day? Release a limited edition record (or expensive box-set item) in 500 or 1000 copies of something that most likely would never ever sell more than that even if it was on general release.

Most of the RSD release are forgettable or "interesting" at best. Putting out a "hit record" (well, everything is relative...) like the Gregory Porter tune as a limited RSD "exclusive" is baffling to me. Why not put it out on general release and sell thousands of copies instead? With a tune like that buyers don't need a special incentive to pull money out of their pockets.

[Pete S]

With a tune like that buyers don't need a special incentive to pull money out of their pockets.

It would take the incentive of extreme sexual favours(*)(**) to make me buy that!

(*) not from Expansion staff

(**) or some beer

[Smudger]

Bloody hell it's getting just like E.M.S,come on ladies dummies back in gobs and rattles back in prams please.

[NEV]

Perhaps Expansion should have done like most other record companies do on Record Store Day? Release a limited edition record (or expensive box-set item) in 500 or 1000 copies of something that most likely would never ever sell more than that even if it was on general release.

Most of the RSD release are forgettable or "interesting" at best. Putting out a "hit record" (well, everything is relative...) like the Gregory Porter tune as a limited RSD "exclusive" is baffling to me. Why not put it out on general release and sell thousands of copies instead? With a tune like that buyers don't need a special incentive to pull money out of their pockets.

On the ball as usual Sebastian

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[Sebastian]

On the ball as usual Sebastian

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Ofcourse!

[Roburt]

RE: Most of the RSD release are forgettable or "interesting" at best

In your opinion only ..... I know that just about all of the Ace RSD releases are very much sought after & you have to be a lucky punter to actually get a copy of some of them.

Of course, you can always buy the track on the alternative CD release (which most folks do). But as we all know, some folk are vinyl only.

[Sebastian]

RE: Most of the RSD release are forgettable or "interesting" at best

In your opinion only ..... I know that just about all of the Ace RSD releases are very much sought after & you have to be a lucky punter to actually get a copy of some of them.

The Ace/Kent RSD releases are ofcourse - like everything they do - of fantastic quality. That pretty much goes without saying.

But in general, the well-put-together soul releases put out on RSD are comparatively few compared to the vast majority that comes from major labels and pop/rock labels. There's been some totally mindboggling releases during the recent RSD. How about these five 45s from SIRE for example:

#1. The Ramones - Bliztkrieg Bop

#2. The Flamin' Groovies - Shake Some Action

#3. Richard Hell & The Voidoids - Blank Generation

#4. Dead Boys - Sonic Reducer

#5. Patti Smith - Piss Factory

ALL TRACKS on these 45s are fantastic classics and some of my all time faves, but the RSD 45s above are totally unnecessary and forgettable releases as you can buy all of them on their original Sire 45 releases cheaper than what the RSD releases retail for. That also goes for many of the major labels that do straight reissues of standard LPs from their catalogue in limited editions on RSD. That's what I meant when I wrote that most labels don't risk putting out a limited edition RSD release of something that has got the potential to become a huge seller. Most labels just clean out their closets and reissue a bunch of stuff that they already have made enough money from or release stuff that is of interest to such a small specialist market that 500 or 1000 copies is enough.

This is ofcourse NOT valid for some of the high quality specialist labels, like Kent/Ace etc.

Edited May 31, 2012 by Sebastian

[Guest john s]

The Ace/Kent RSD releases are ofcourse - like everything they do - of fantastic quality. That pretty much goes without saying.

But in general, the well-put-together soul releases put out on RSD are comparatively few compared to the vast majority that comes from major labels and pop/rock labels. There's been some totally mindboggling releases during the recent RSD.

Similarly, the vast majority of RSD releases are bought by speculators to resell on ebay to make a quick buck - which, i guess, is the perk you get for queueing up from 3am outside a record shop in April - which makes me increasingly cynical about the whole thing. This year I didn't even bother stocking the Ace releases - though I think I've still got some of the 2010 ones about...