Incorrect facts on the Jazzman website - really pisses me off this..  quote from the newsletter

 

A modern soul masterpiece, this highly sought after deep soulful disco spin by Tony Fox on his super rare was thought for years only to exist as a track LP ‘The Beginning’. In the last 10 years a couple of copies on 7” have turned up, going for big money privately to the worlds biggest collectors before sniffing ebay (£1000+).

 

Nope  ...Wrong I had three 45 s direct from Blaster Records with the album and a press release photo of Tony   at time of release.

 

All the 45' s  sold on to Japan over the years  . 

 

Sure the Tony Fox stuff was featured in an old copy of BlackBeat fanzine  - Steve G maybe remembers which issue - mine are in  storage ... 

 

Keep up record label owners and check your facts - I have tweeted Jazzman -let's see if we get a response.....

 

Many on the modern soul scene are aware of the 45  s existence   so why not ask around first ....      

Incorrect facts on the Jazzman website - really pisses me off this..  quote from the newsletter

 

A modern soul masterpiece, this highly sought after deep soulful disco spin by Tony Fox on his super rare was thought for years only to exist as a track LP ‘The Beginning’. In the last 10 years a couple of copies on 7” have turned up, going for big money privately to the worlds biggest collectors before sniffing ebay (£1000+).

 

Nope  ...Wrong I had three 45 s direct from Blaster Records with the album and a press release photo of Tony   at time of release.

 

All the 45' s  sold on to Japan over the years  . 

 

Sure the Tony Fox stuff was featured in an old copy of BlackBeat fanzine  - Steve G maybe remembers which issue - mine are in  storage ... 

 

Keep up record label owners and check your facts - I have tweeted Jazzman -let's see if we get a response.....

 

Many on the modern soul scene are aware of the 45  s existence   so why not ask around first ....      

Yep, someone on SS was lucky enough to get one on here recently Glyn - there was a bit of a thread about the record then.

 

It's a super record.

 

Peter

 

Incorrect facts on the Jazzman website - really pisses me off this..  quote from the newsletter

 

A modern soul masterpiece, this highly sought after deep soulful disco spin by Tony Fox on his super rare was thought for years only to exist as a track LP ‘The Beginning’. In the last 10 years a couple of copies on 7” have turned up, going for big money privately to the worlds biggest collectors before sniffing ebay (£1000+).

 

Nope  ...Wrong I had three 45 s direct from Blaster Records with the album and a press release photo of Tony   at time of release.

 

All the 45' s  sold on to Japan over the years  . 

 

Sure the Tony Fox stuff was featured in an old copy of BlackBeat fanzine  - Steve G maybe remembers which issue - mine are in  storage ... 

 

Keep up record label owners and check your facts - I have tweeted Jazzman -let's see if we get a response.....

 

Many on the modern soul scene are aware of the 45  s existence   so why not ask around first ....      

 

Definitely remember you having the 7 back in the 80's Glyn. It knocked us out at the time....and yes you mentioned it in Blackbeat. I even remember talking to you about it at a Rotherham All nighter (not Clifton Hall)....

 

Unfortunately history is being re-written all the time.....There is an amazing lot of BS on the web about records.

 

ATB Steve

Edited September 3, 201311 yr by Steve G

So true about the BS - Steve thanks for that

Is there not a case that this is a record which possibly fell through the cracks until relatively recently. The three Japanese gentlemen who own these aren't jetting around the world playing them to packed clubs full of writhing young trendies, and my local library doesn't have a full set of Blackbeat magazines... There's no copies on Popsike, so perhaps none have passed through eBay? It would be safe to surmise that it's pretty rare anyway.

Or maybe Jazzman could just have asked Butch!

Edited September 3, 201311 yr by cover-up

Ever since Glyn reviewed it in the early 80's it's been a "wanted" record by soul collectors and has appeared on plenty of "wants lists". I seem to recall Soul Sam or possibly Robin S. owned a copy at one point (later), but no doubt it got traded on. 

Ever since Glyn reviewed it in the early 80's it's been a "wanted" record by soul collectors and has appeared on plenty of "wants lists". I seem to recall Soul Sam or possibly Robin S. owned a copy at one point (later), but no doubt it got traded on. 

Pretty sure Robin had it.

 

Who buys all this re issued stuff?

Ever since Glyn reviewed it in the early 80's it's been a "wanted" record by soul collectors and has appeared on plenty of "wants lists". I seem to recall Soul Sam or possibly Robin S. owned a copy at one point (later), but no doubt it got traded on. 

 

I traded mine for a Hamilton Movement over 10 years ago.

I traded mine for a Hamilton Movement over 10 years ago.

I thought Gasher had one ?

Missed one on a US list once for six bucks: the memory still stings

Thanks, All the above proves Glyn's point that this has been known about since early 80's.....All we want is for people to "get it right" and not "make it up".

The internet is a fantastic reference tool - unfortunately is also a minefield of dross and bullshit mixed in -

 

Experts are suddenly everywhere  - remember not everyone can know everything , and sometimes fiction merges into a fact.... We are just trying to document the correct facts.

Quite a few 45's of this were around at time of issue not just my copies - would think around two or three of the prominent modern Dj ' s of the time were in possession of the 45 also... 

 

Have now sent a direct message to Jazzman Records as Fryer, Gerald , or Orsii have yet failed to respond. Will report their response if, and when I have one....

As Steve says perfectly  all we want is for people to get it right.

 

Will  check for the feature in BlackBeat when I have more time....

Jazzman employee Orsii has responded via Twitter :

 

@CRATESOFSOUL Hi Glyn, we do check our facts carefully & if you read the notes https://www.jazzmanrecords.co.uk/tony-fox-love-let-love-and-be-loved-i-wanna-get-next-to-you … you'll see that we do mention that

 

Not sure about that if you check their blurb .. very misleading  ' was thought for years only '

 

As usual in this world some people that are hailed as ' experts ' by various media outlets are found to be incorrect in their ' facts' but are unable to admit they were wrong in some way....    

CRATESOFSOUL Im sorry this has gotten you so upset. We ALWAYS check out facts rigorously & NEVER mislead customers on purpose.

 

Ok they just ' don't get it ' it' s our way of life - we live and breathe music , but at least Jazzman employee Orsii had the decency to respond... 

Edited September 4, 201311 yr by glynthornhill

I thought Gasher had one ?

he did that nev & ive had it in my hands,but had to give it back,lol.

Jeez, emails, tweets, post on soul source, so angry....

 

 

Nobody was trying to suggest the record did not exist (but many did not know it did) and it goes without saying that indeed some people would have it for the very reason that it does exist.  You are one of those people who had copies and thats cool (as you said they went to japan so were not getting plays here) . I think its fair to say  it was not generally known to the wider scene. If i had to consult every single collector in the world before putting out a press release it might take some time, tell me your story ill add it, but be nice. Seriously I have no idea why you would be angry, its a press release. I cant be in every place and read every magazine ever written or consult everybody. That aside, it sound bloody amazing, i think we did a good job.

Edited September 4, 201311 yr by fryer

Would I be right in thinking the 7"cut is shorter than the album cut?

Jeez, emails, tweets, post on soul source, so angry....

 

 

Nobody was trying to suggest the record did not exist (but many did not know it did) and it goes without saying that indeed some people would have it for the very reason that it does exist.  You are one of those people who had copies and thats cool (as you said they went to japan so were not getting plays here) . I think its fair to say  it was not generally known to the wider scene. If i had to consult every single collector in the world before putting out a press release it might take some time, tell me your story ill add it, but be nice. Seriously I have no idea why you would be angry, its a press release. I cant be in every place and read every magazine ever written or consult everybody. That aside, it sound bloody amazing, i think we did a good job.

 

Maybe we've just become grumpy old men Euen. :  

Jeez, emails, tweets, post on soul source, so angry....

 

 

Nobody was trying to suggest the record did not exist (but many did not know it did) and it goes without saying that indeed some people would have it for the very reason that it does exist.  You are one of those people who had copies and thats cool (as you said they went to japan so were not getting plays here) . I think its fair to say  it was not generally known to the wider scene. If i had to consult every single collector in the world before putting out a press release it might take some time, tell me your story ill add it, but be nice. Seriously I have no idea why you would be angry, its a press release. I cant be in every place and read every magazine ever written or consult everybody. That aside, it sound bloody amazing, i think we did a good job.

 

Euan, I think you're right to say many didn't know it existed as a 45. I remember quite a lot of interest and raised eyebrows at my copy at the time and a lot of people said they thought it was LP only. It is a slightly shorter version on 45 than the Lp but i think it's got a bit more punch in the 45 mix, or at least that's what i remember.

There've been a few records from the late 70's and early 80's that, at the time, we thought were LP only.

Bobby King "If You Don't Want My Love" LTD "Love Magic" Whispers "Gonna Love You More" and Mighty Fire "Sweet Fire" all came to us as a bit of a shock when they turned up on 7" 45.

Tony Fox 45 was known to only a few, the Bobby King came much later. LTD seems now to have dried up, Whispers, only 3-4 known copies and only ONE known copy of Mighty Fire thus far!

These tracks were all played in the days when being on 45 mattered much less in the eyes of the scene and when LP's were scoured for the killer tracks, without ever expecting their to be a limited 7" press anywhere or even needing to be.

Bearing in mind that this was before the Modern Scene existed, we are talking The Northern Soul Scene here, it shows how ahead of the game some people (such as Glyn) really were in terms of turning up great tunes that only since (and largely in only the past few years) have gone on to be seen as classics, worthy of a second issue!

Sean

There've been a few records from the late 70's and early 80's that, at the time, we thought were LP only.

Bobby King "If You Don't Want My Love" LTD "Love Magic" Whispers "Gonna Love You More" and Mighty Fire "Sweet Fire" all came to us as a bit of a shock when they turned up on 7" 45.

Tony Fox 45 was known to only a few, the Bobby King came much later. LTD seems now to have dried up, Whispers, only 3-4 known copies and only ONE known copy of Mighty Fire thus far!

These tracks were all played in the days when being on 45 mattered much less in the eyes of the scene and when LP's were scoured for the killer tracks, without ever expecting their to be a limited 7" press anywhere or even needing to be.

Bearing in mind that this was before the Modern Scene existed, we are talking The Northern Soul Scene here, it shows how ahead of the game some people (such as Glyn) really were in terms of turning up great tunes that only since (and largely in only the past few years) have gone on to be seen as classics, worthy of a second issue!

Sean

Sean,who has the Mighty Fire 45?

Sean,who has the Mighty Fire 45?

 

Think its carefully stored in the East wing of Sean's house.....

Think its carefully stored in the East wing of Sean's house.....

 

Oh so it wasn't the copy i was holding yesterday then(not mine).Also saw Bobby Glover-"Bright Skies..." on a 45.

 

He had been offered a few Mighty Fires over the years also.

Oh so it wasn't the copy i was holding yesterday then(not mine).Also saw Bobby Glover-"Bright Skies..." on a 45.

 

He had been offered a few Mighty Fires over the years also.

So theres at least another copy contrary to Sean's post there being only one (post #21)

Edited October 10, 201311 yr by John Reed

So theres at least another copy contrary to Sean's post there being only one (post #21)

 

Several more i would say.The ballad flip was nice and i don't know if it was on the LP.