Hi Anyone in the know?

Does anyone know how to tell the original, from the re-issue or boot of N F Porter's "Keep on keeping on", on the USA Lizard label please?

Regs.

Release number on LHS of label = 1st Press.

Number on RHS of label = 2nd pressing.

Boot has no address along bottom of label and has "If I Could Only Be Sure" on flip.

ORIGINAL FIRST ISSUE here

2nd press ......

Boot ..... 

Also original on styrene 

 

1 hour ago, Kev John said:

Also original on styrene 

 

 

Not seen that in styrene, all I've had were vinyl, I think I may a Clydie King in styrene nood to check that out.

 

My Demo is styrene also

Both vinyl & Styrene originals have the same run out info ( MR within a circle ) triangle with numbers relating to be pressed in 1971 

atb Kev 

Edited September 10, 20168 yr by Kev John
Date of release wrong

On 9 September 2016 at 14:59, Patto said:

ORIGINAL FIRST ISSUE here

This design has now been "repressed" copies for sale on ebay. I got caught but got a full refund.

On 9/8/2016 at 19:58, WoodButcher said:

Release number on LHS of label = 1st Press.

Number on RHS of label = 2nd pressing.

Boot has no address along bottom of label and has "If I Could Only Be Sure" on flip.

Where does that info come from ? Both issues legimate ? 

Mr Manship's 5th Edition.

Orig vinyl press dead wax reads Lizard 1010 A    1 within a circle all etched  MR within a circle stamped  triangle 85954 etched which means pressed October 1971

 

Edited September 10, 20168 yr by Kev John
Extra info on pressed date

55 minutes ago, Kev John said:

Orig vinyl press dead wax reads Lizard 1010 A    1 within a circle all etched  MR within a circle stamped  triangle 85954 etched 

 

Yep mine has same dead wax marks but mine is as scan on my previous post on vinyl with large rext and number on LHS of label. Was always lead to believe that the large text ones were the first issue.

Just now, Patto said:

Yep mine has same dead wax marks but mine is as scan on my previous post on vinyl with large rext and number on LHS of label. Was always lead to believe that the large text ones were the first issue.

So that means is that both presses are 1st releases & just a difference of label no's on 2  sides of label  Patto 

Just now, Kev John said:

So that means is that both presses are 1st releases & just a difference of label no's on 2  sides of label  Patto 

Looks that way Kev

Just now, Patto said:

Looks that way Kev

As it's called label variations on here m8 

atb Kev 

Same plates , two pressings ... 

13 minutes ago, WoodButcher said:

Same plates , two pressings ... 

Well i'm not sure if that's the case there are loads of variations on labels & still classed as an original not 2nd press !

3 hours ago, WoodButcher said:

Mr Manship's 5th Edition.

6 minutes ago, Kev John said:

Well i'm not sure if that's the case there are loads of variations on labels & still classed as an original not 2nd press !

Without a copy of in each and and a loop to check the deadwax I'd say impossible to answer with any certainty , anyone out there care to photograph their copies ( properly at full res and square on ... RAW file preferred ) so the scratches/stamps can be compared ... ?

To be brutally honest ... at the end of the day it's not exactly what you'd call exciting , rare , expensive or hard to find ... in any format ... so not sure it warrants much more sleuthing ... 

1 hour ago, WoodButcher said:

To be brutally honest ... at the end of the day it's not exactly what you'd call exciting , rare , expensive or hard to find ... in any format ... so not sure it warrants much more sleuthing ... 

That's true of course, it does get people dancing though.....................

22 minutes ago, Chris L said:

That's true of course, it does get people dancing though.....................

And a great FUNK flip side !!!

 

Edited September 10, 20168 yr by Kev John

According to JM Edition 5

release number on left hand side is 1st press

release number on right hand side is 2nd press.

10 hours ago, Kev John said:

And a great FUNK flip side !!!

 

 

unfortunately to me damaged by that poor fade in it has

and if looking at all aspects of the background, then there is that searling/anderson/joy division cover story from 78....

 

Edited September 11, 20168 yr by mike
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15 hours ago, mike said:

 

 

and if looking at all aspects of the background, then there is that searling/anderson/joy division cover story from 78....

 

Care to elaborate?!

18 hours ago, Millo said:

According to JM Edition 5

release number on left hand side is 1st press

release number on right hand side is 2nd press.

Gave all the details in the first reply ... 

20 hours ago, mike said:

 

unfortunately to me damaged by that poor fade in it has

and if looking at all aspects of the background, then there is that searling/anderson/joy division cover story from 78....

 

4 hours ago, cover-up said:

Care to elaborate?!

as with most things not sure of all the details or the validity of what your read elsewhere

google does bring up the story, which expands as the yeas pass

the wikipedia take

Joy Division spent the first week of May 1978 recording at Manchester's Arrow Studios. The band were unhappy with the Grapevine Records head John Anderson's insistence on adding synthesiser into the mix to soften the sound, and asked to be dropped from the contract that they had recently signed with RCA

from this site a recent thread, which has some interesting  words regarding unreleased Joy Division stuff and John Anderson

there are other bits of the story around - a £500 payment for studio time and so on

Yes apparently they attempted to record keep on keeping on in 1978 but couldn't get it right, they then stole the riff and used it for interzone.

 

i always thought the 1st and 2nd pressing info was tosh..the promo has the same layout as the 'supposed' 2nd press..surely a promo would be first press, i reckon both are first press, different plants/runs...ive seen many vinyl issues..styrene less so...