Was there more than one Detroit Sound label or just different designs?

Also, does anyone know anything about this release?

I know i'd like one....Lovely looking label, got a sound clip?

Edited January 4, 200718 yr by Trevski

Robert Walker - everything is all right

10575 refosoul

Edited January 4, 200718 yr by Simon T

Was there more than one Detroit Sound label or just different designs?

Also, does anyone know anything about this release?

Used to get plays back in the late 80's/early 90's decent enough, although probably a little too

garage-y for most.

Edited January 4, 200718 yr by Tony Smith

Was there more than one Detroit Sound label or just different designs?

Also, does anyone know anything about this release?

i know its not helping with your label quest, but it sounds like the same guy that recorded on rca stick to me and the great the blizzard ,an old john kingham spin

Was there more than one Detroit Sound label or just different designs?

Also, does anyone know anything about this release?

I'm sure there was a discography of the label in an issue of "DETROIT CITY LIMITS" will check to see if i still have the issue in the morning.

Derek

I'll se if I can add anymore later this afternoon when I get home...

222 The Wanted Here To Stay Teen World

223 The Wanted In The Midnight Hour Here To Stay

224 Robert Walker And The Night Riders Everything's All Right Keep On Running

225 Michael John Goodbye Baby You Had My Love

226 The Little Sisters Summer Rain Just A Boy

227 The Detroit Vibrations I'm The Man She's A Winner

228 The Little Sisters My Boyfriends Back The Summer Rain

229 Little Sisters Just A Boy First You Break My Heart

230 The Wanted Knock On Wood Lot's More Where They Came From

231 Michael John Dream Worlds I Need Your Love

232 The Wanted Sad Situation East Side Story

233 The York Mills Trio Sock It To 'Em Tigers....With Crowd Sock It To 'Em Tigers....Without Crowd

503 Sequins Try My Love He's Gonna Break Your Heart

Sequins deffo different label design, nowhere near as pretty!

That Robert Walker's gotta be white whereas I met a black Robert Walker in LA who reckoned he'd done Stick By Me but I can't remember what that sounds like.

Robert Walker - everything is all right

10575 refosoul

Mitch Ryder soundalike methinks?

Brian

And that chap wrote the Hit Pack's Never Say No To Your baby with Robert Staunton who wrote some stuff for Motown but LA or Detroit. Were the Hit Pack black or white, anyone got a US scan?

I'll se if I can add anymore later this afternoon when I get home...

222 The Wanted Here To Stay Teen World

223 The Wanted In The Midnight Hour Here To Stay

224 Robert Walker And The Night Riders Everything's All Right Keep On Running

225 Michael John Goodbye Baby You Had My Love

226 The Little Sisters Summer Rain Just A Boy

227 The Detroit Vibrations I'm The Man She's A Winner

228 The Little Sisters My Boyfriends Back The Summer Rain

229 Little Sisters Just A Boy First You Break My Heart

230 The Wanted Knock On Wood Lot's More Where They Came From

231 Michael John Dream Worlds I Need Your Love

232 The Wanted Sad Situation East Side Story

233 The York Mills Trio Sock It To 'Em Tigers….With Crowd Sock It To 'Em Tigers….Without Crowd

503 Sequins Try My Love He's Gonna Break Your Heart

Thanks Chalky.

Anyone heard any of the 2xx numbers in the list?

Surley the Seqins is a totaly different label, the different number and label design?

Was there more than one Detroit Sound label or just different designs?

Also, does anyone know anything about this release?

Different label this part of DE-TO

THE SHOWSTOPPING SUPER SONICS EAR ACTION(FUNK) / WHAT KIND OF GIRL IS SHE (NICE SOUL)

detroit sound records.

Thanks Chalky.

Anyone heard any of the 2xx numbers in the list?

Surley the Seqins is a totaly different label, the different number and label design?

The Sequins Detroit Sound is part of the Deto and Music Now label set up. It also seems that Tay is also related. Share the same address (9846 12th Street) both Taylor and Turner productions and Lovenote publishing. Also both written by one of the Brooks family.

If they are different labels then there was two Detroit Sound Recording Co's operating around the same time???

Edited January 6, 200718 yr by chalky

Just had a dig and the Detroit Sound Recording Company consisting of Brooks Brothers and Sequins is from 1966 and owned by Taylor and Turner Productions.

The other Detroit Sound is owned by Irv Steiner and began life in 1967.

As far as I know these were the two companies in question -

The DETROIT SOUND RECORDING Co. Owner Jack Taylor 9846 12th St. Detroit 48213. Connected to Tay & Awake, with just the one 45 by the Sequins.

DETROIT SOUND Recording Co. (1966-67) Owner Irv Steiner 12730 E Warren Detroit 48215, with all of the artists mentioned earlier.

I have never seen any tangible evidence that they were in any way connected. There were various labels all using the name of the city -

DETROIT GOLD

DETROIT INTERNATIONAL

DETROIT STAR

DETROIT TRAKS

DETROIT UNIVERSAL

I suppose DETROIT FREE PRESS too.

These were Soul labels, there will undoubtedly be others that covered C&W, Pop, Polka, Garage etc.

Keith Rylatt

From our discussion on Soulful Detroit, including Ron Murphy and other Detroiters who were around at the time, we concluded that The Jack Taylor-owned "Detroit Sound" was earlier, and had no relation to the Steiner-owned company with the similar name.

The Detroit Sequins later added a member and were renamed The Lolipops under Duke Browners supervision

And that chap wrote the Hit Pack's Never Say No To Your baby with Robert Staunton who wrote some stuff for Motown but LA or Detroit. Were the Hit Pack black or white, anyone got a US scan?

I`v e always had a feeling that they may have been one of the Motown house bands, nothing but speculation about them but the lead singer to my ears sounds like Ronald Isley! Robert Dobyne has very similar vocals. Definately not the same line up as The Hit Pack on Colpix who also had the Staunton/Walker partnership a year earlier.

Edited February 14, 201510 yr by Guest

Thanks Chalky.

Anyone heard any of the 2xx numbers in the list?

Surley the Seqins is a totaly different label, the different number and label design?

They are mostly Garage records mate.

And that chap wrote the Hit Pack's Never Say No To Your baby with Robert Staunton who wrote some stuff for Motown but LA or Detroit. Were the Hit Pack black or white, anyone got a US scan?

The Hit Pack were, apparently, Staunton and Walker's group - a vehicle to get their songs out on the market, perhaps as a "demo" to be picked up by a major artist to garner more sales for the writing team (Robert Staunton and Robert Walker).  It was a combination of a house band and singers.  On Colpix in New York, in 1964, the singers were Caucasian (I think the musicians were mixed).  They worked with Artie Kornfeld, making Pop music for the teen/surf cult.  After Staunton and Walker were signed by Berry Gordy to Motown (1965-66), Staunton and Walker used Black singers, with Robert Dobyne (of Chicago) on lead (and, I believe, with Staunton and Walker, themselves, as the background singers), and they worked in Detroit.  After some months with Motown, Staunton and Walker had a big problem with Gordy on producer credits, and Gordy and Dobyne had a falling out, as well.  So their tenure at Motown was a lot shorter than it might have been.

Edited February 16, 201510 yr by RobbK

Here are some label scans:

A question about the 2015 comment "The Jack Taylor-owned 'Detroit Sound'." I searched the Soulful Detroit website and couldn't locate any discussion.

There is a 2010 comment which says: "It would be really nice to have some more details about Taylor and Turner. I thought there might be a connection with Dr Kyle, but there wasn't. I also spoke to the Brooks brothers involved on the TAY 45, but they couldn't recall who Taylor or Turner were." (Found here: https://soulfuldetroit.com/archive/index.php/t-708.html)

There is also a link to this blog which says: "There have been suggestions that J. Taylor was the New York record producer but I think that is doubtful." (Found here: https://indangerousrhythm.blogspot.com/2006/12/sequins-hes-gonna-break-your-heart.html)

Did the discussion suggest that Jack Taylor of Rojac involved with these two 45s? He seemed to be busy in NYC to put out a couple of 45s on labels with a Detroit address. Or was it a different Jack Taylor?

1 hour ago, jukeboxgeorge said:

A question about the 2015 comment "The Jack Taylor-owned 'Detroit Sound'." I searched the Soulful Detroit website and couldn't locate any discussion.

There is a 2010 comment which says: "It would be really nice to have some more details about Taylor and Turner. I thought there might be a connection with Dr Kyle, but there wasn't. I also spoke to the Brooks brothers involved on the TAY 45, but they couldn't recall who Taylor or Turner were." (Found here: https://soulfuldetroit.com/archive/index.php/t-708.html)

There is also a link to this blog which says: "There have been suggestions that J. Taylor was the New York record producer but I think that is doubtful." (Found here: https://indangerousrhythm.blogspot.com/2006/12/sequins-hes-gonna-break-your-heart.html)

Did the discussion suggest that Jack Taylor of Rojac involved with these two 45s? He seemed to be busy in NYC to put out a couple of 45s on labels with a Detroit address. Or was it a different Jack Taylor?

I'd guess that Rojac's Jack Taylor is an East Coast person, and Detroit Sound and Tay's Taylor was a Detroiter. But I've been wrong, before, using that logic and no proof. So, I guess it remains an interesting question until definitive proof, either way, comes to light.

Working on my book ''I Searched for Soul and Found the Stars'' back in 2020 I swapped emails with Group member Merlene Druskell. Merlene Karriem, sadly I can't find those emails but I remember her saying she wasn't impressed with Taylor and Turner due to lack of promotion on their 45.

As a threesome Merlene, Brenda Rowlands, Brenda Knight only recorded one 45 One of the Brenda's wanted to go solo so they split.

Merlene Druskell, her maiden name, became Merlene Karriem. She went on to write ''Gotta Find Away To Get Back Home'' for the group Innervision (along side member of ''Popcorn'' Wylie's group The Mighty Lovers, Lloyd Robinson)

When I last corresponded with her she was out on the West Coast singing with 2 other girls Motown songs, Merlene also had done modelling (nails) for Max Factor.

I understand my post is off topic, but could be expanded on

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Just now, Gilly said:

Working on my book ''I Searched for Soul and Found the Stars'' back in 2020 I swapped emails with Group member Merlene Druskell. Merlene Karriem, sadly I can't find those emails but I remember her saying she wasn't impressed with Taylor and Turner due to lack of promotion on their 45.

As a threesome Merlene, Brenda Rowlands, Brenda Knight only recorded one 45 One of the Brenda's wanted to go solo so they split.

Merlene Druskell, her maiden name, became Merlene Karriem. She went on to write ''Gotta Find Away To Get Back Home'' for the group Innervision (along side member of ''Popcorn'' Wylie's group The Mighty Lovers, Lloyd Robinson)

When I last corresponded with her she was out on the West Coast singing with 2 other girls Motown songs, Merlene also had done modelling (nails) for Max Factor.

This is the actual photo that Dave Hamilton gave me in 1988. He said they were better than the Supremes at that time (shows the powerhouse of Motown.

My copy of the 45 in question came from Barnie ''Duke'' Browner whe I visited him a few days later 1988.

I've always wondered who these girls are ?

1 hour ago, Gilly said:

This is the actual photo that Dave Hamilton gave me in 1988. He said they were better than the Supremes at that time (shows the powerhouse of Motown.

My copy of the 45 in question came from Barnie ''Duke'' Browner whe I visited him a few days later 1988.

I've always wondered who these girls are ?

Discogs has them as "Merlene Druskell, Brenda Roland, and Brenda Knight ,who recorded one single for the The Detroit Sound Recording Co. label. Managed by Dave Hamilton. " but how true it is I don't know.

3 hours ago, Gilly said:

This is the actual photo that Dave Hamilton gave me in 1988. He said they were better than the Supremes at that time (shows the powerhouse of Motown.

My copy of the 45 in question came from Barnie ''Duke'' Browner whe I visited him a few days later 1988.

I've always wondered who these girls are ?

Hi Gilly,

Throw this in as a curve ball...Bill Craigs NEW management wing of Bill Criag Enterprises was around March 1969. This is when he took in The Sequins, Gwen Owens, Timmy Willis and a few more. Your 2nd photo(above) has exclusive management Bill Craig Ent. Your 1st Photo (DaDa Music production music) probably pre-dates this? but when?

Many thanks for the replies so far. Jack Taylor of Rojac did have a connection to Detroit, dying there in 1985. Born in the South, Jack was in NYC from the late 1950s and detoured to Virginia circa 1960-1962 (Wilbert Harrison on Doc 1001) before starting Rojac in NYC in 1963. His entities were often named from parts of his name coupled with an associate (He's jac in Rojac, and Robert D. Roberts, named in an ad for Doc 1001, might be the Ro) and later Tay-ster (Tay from Taylor, ster from Claude Sterrett). So it's possible that he and the mysterious partner named Turner had a hand in the Detroit Sound 45, though with Rojac already in business it's hard to explain why he would have done this. There was also no split publishing on either the Detroit Sound or the Tay 45, with both crediting Love Note / Lovenote and a member of the Brooks Bros. as songwriter; label owners in the 1960s were experts at getting their publishers credited on 45s.

At this point it seems that the 2015 comment "Jack Taylor-owned Detroit Sound" did not come from a discussion with a Detroit music expert on the Soulful Detroit website. We still don't know who Taylor and Turner were.

As to The Sequins: unfortunately there are few mentions in The Michigan Chronicle newspaper. The InDangerousRhythm blog has a comment that Virginia Gray was an original member, which if correct might be for this 1964 release. The promo photos of this trio seem to be from 1967-1969, not from 1964. Gary Rubin of Pioneer Recording posted on Discogs that this Detroit Sound 45 may have been done at his studio. Does anyone have a copy of his massive and expensive book, Big Dreams and the Detroit Record Business? He hasn't replied to my e-mail. Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Big-Dreams-Detroit-Record-Business/dp/1667883127

4 hours ago, Woodbutcher said:

Discogs has them as "Merlene Druskell, Brenda Roland, and Brenda Knight ,who recorded one single for the The Detroit Sound Recording Co. label. Managed by Dave Hamilton. " but how true it is I don't know.

The group was managed by Dave, not the label unless I misunderstood what your'e saying.

2 hours ago, Kenb said:

Hi Gilly,

Throw this in as a curve ball...Bill Craigs NEW management wing of Bill Criag Enterprises was around March 1969. This is when he took in The Sequins, Gwen Owens, Timmy Willis and a few more. Your 2nd photo(above) has exclusive management Bill Craig Ent. Your 1st Photo (DaDa Music production music) probably pre-dates this? but when?

Looking at the photos, the Dada looks more recent than the Bill Craig photo.

On 45 Cat Try My Love is down as 1964, I think later, but not recorded whilst with Dave Hamilton ?

14 minutes ago, Gilly said:

The group was managed by Dave, not the label unless I misunderstood what your'e saying.

Just quoting the line from Discogs Richard , I read it as he managed the group not the label.

The whole Profile blurb ...

"1960s female soul trio from Detroit. Michigan, made up of Merlene Druskell, Brenda Roland, and Brenda Knight who recorded one single for the The Detroit Sound Recording Co. label. Managed by Dave Hamilton.
Later known as The Lollipops.
For the soul trio from Chicago that recorded for Crajon Records, see: The Sequins
For the soul trio from Los Angeles that recorded for Renfro, see: The Sequins (4)"

Thanks buddy, hope you are all ok

19 hours ago, Gilly said:

Working on my book ''I Searched for Soul and Found the Stars'' back in 2020 I swapped emails with Group member Merlene Druskell. Merlene Karriem, sadly I can't find those emails but I remember her saying she wasn't impressed with Taylor and Turner due to lack of promotion on their 45.

As a threesome Merlene, Brenda Rowlands, Brenda Knight only recorded one 45 One of the Brenda's wanted to go solo so they split.

Merlene Druskell, her maiden name, became Merlene Karriem. She went on to write ''Gotta Find Away To Get Back Home'' for the group Innervision (along side member of ''Popcorn'' Wylie's group The Mighty Lovers, Lloyd Robinson)

When I last corresponded with her she was out on the West Coast singing with 2 other girls Motown songs, Merlene also had done modelling (nails) for Max Factor.

I understand my post is off topic, but could be expanded on

Merlene also penned, with Lloyd, "Crystal", RJ's latest Arrival. I also read that someone had mentioned a lady called Virginia Gray being an original member of The Sequins ?

Edited September 10Sep 10 by Blackpoolsoul
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