Just going through my small Ric-Tic collection and I have noticed that quite a few of my Red ones (106-118) have the numbers scratched in the run out as oppossed to the Blue ones (127-134) that have the numbers stamped in the runout, although a couple of the Red ones have a stamp on one side but not on the other. The one Yellow (103) and one DJ Copy (138) are both stamped yet Freddie Gorman (101) is scratched with a very small "Bell Sounds" stamp. Just curious as I'll be letting them go in the next couple of months and wondered if they were all originals or second press/re-issues. I've looked on here but can't find much info

Thanks

I checked my Ric-Tics and found the same thing. The only stamped ones I have pre 119 are Edwin's 2 Hits-

"Agent.." and "S.O.S. ...".  Without seeing your 45's, I would guess they are probably  all originals.  Discogs does have a section showing which Ric-Tics were bootlegged.

 

Edited January 19, 20214 yr by The Yank

Laura Lee was boot legged and also Rose Battise but this is poor sound quality and a lighter label 

I think these are the only 2

56 minutes ago, The Yank said:

I checked my Ric-Tics and found the same thing. The only stamped ones I have pre 119 are Edwin's 2 Hits-

"Agent.." and "S.O.S. ...".  Without seeing your 45's, I would guess they are probably  all originals.  Discogs does have a section showing which Ric-Tics were bootlegged.

 

Just looking though the discogs site and for someone like me who doesn't really know about stamps and numbers, I find it interesting to see what I have or haven't got. 

Edited January 19, 20214 yr by Soulandy

About 40 years ago I bought a "detroit" soul pack, direct from the states. One or two nice "northern" items but most just for label collectors I guess

Ric tic golden world some tamla, etc.

I did notice the ric tic were mostly not stamped and assumed not original.

Might have been wrong after all..

Ed

 

 

i hve  a Styrene Laura Lee, with scratched in matrix.   apparently (from reliable sources) Legit. 

  

So what were the the Ric Tics that seemed to be everywhere in the 70s which I always assumed were boots , Real Humdinger, Say It , Festival Time , etc. 

As I remember light coloured Red and of poor quality recordings , boots I thought ?

This is my Laura Lee 

My white demo Laura Lee was definitely stamped...

Ed

Looked through my Ric Tics up to RT 118. Unfortunately I don't Have RT119 or RT105. There is no RT113.

102 Joyce Webb - vinyl - scratched

100 Gino Washington - vinyl - scratched

100 Gino Washington white - vinyl - scratched

101 Freddie Gorman - styrene -scratched

102 Freddie Gorman - styrene -stamped

103 Yellow Agent 00-soul -styrene - stamped

103 Agent Double-o-soul -styrene - stamped

103 Yellow red writingAgent Double-o-soul -styrene - stamped

104 to 108 Styrene-scratched with T1 opposite number

109 S.O.S side stamped Faith side scratched - styrene

110 J.J.Barnes - styrene -scratched

111 Laura Lee D.J. copy styrene -scratched

112 Styrene-scratched with T1 opposite number

114 Headline side Styrene-scratched with T1 opposite number. Harlem side stamped.

115 J.J. Barnes Styrene-scratched with T1 opposite number

116 White D.J. copy scratched with T1 opposite number

117 scratched with T1 opposite number

118 scratched with T1 opposite number

 

I think all are original. I hope this helps.

7 hours ago, Shinehead said:

So what were the the Ric Tics that seemed to be everywhere in the 70s which I always assumed were boots , Real Humdinger, Say It , Festival Time , etc. 

As I remember light coloured Red and of poor quality recordings , boots I thought ?

From very early on when deleted US records started being imported in bulk (1969 /70) Ric-Tic and associated labels were fairly common, with a few exceptions . Everyone owned All Turned On, Backstreet, Real Humdinger, Festival Time etc. Blues and Soul were selling them via their Contempo mail order, Selecta Disc and Global had loads.

As you say, during the mid to late 70s Ric-Tic (and Golden World) were everywhere but Ric-Tic mania had been cured by then and most titles were hard to shift at 50p. There were a few exceptions, I don't think Fantastic Four- Can't Stop Looking For My Baby, was ever common. I thought it was Soul Bowl that found a massive hoard around 74-76 but in Keith Rylatt's Groovesville USA book it seems it was Martin Koppel who bought a load from Coachman. These weren't bootlegs just surplus stock that hadn't sold. It seems Ed Wingate ,who had other successful businesses, was happy to press thousands of every release. Labels liked to boast how many singles they had shipped, often many came back unsold. There may have been benefits to pressing surplus stock, others may like to say why.

As David Wapples has already said above the two Ric-Tic boots in the 70s were Rose Battiste and Laura Lee. These were done by Global Records. You can tell these blindfold, nasty, thin and warped. Duke Browner was also done at the same time and just as obvious.

As to scratched or stamped, both are legit on styrene . Golden World and Wingate also have some stamped and scratched numbers on their releases, why would anyone boot the Reflections.

3 hours ago, Millo said:

Looked through my Ric Tics up to RT 118. Unfortunately I don't Have RT119 or RT105. There is no RT113.

102 Joyce Webb - vinyl - scratched

100 Gino Washington - vinyl - scratched

100 Gino Washington white - vinyl - scratched

101 Freddie Gorman - styrene -scratched

102 Freddie Gorman - styrene -stamped

103 Yellow Agent 00-soul -styrene - stamped

103 Agent Double-o-soul -styrene - stamped

103 Yellow red writingAgent Double-o-soul -styrene - stamped

104 to 108 Styrene-scratched with T1 opposite number

109 S.O.S side stamped Faith side scratched - styrene

110 J.J.Barnes - styrene -scratched

111 Laura Lee D.J. copy styrene -scratched

112 Styrene-scratched with T1 opposite number

114 Headline side Styrene-scratched with T1 opposite number. Harlem side stamped.

115 J.J. Barnes Styrene-scratched with T1 opposite number

116 White D.J. copy scratched with T1 opposite number

117 scratched with T1 opposite number

118 scratched with T1 opposite number

 

I think all are original. I hope this helps.

Interesting, my 112 has the number scratched in but no T1 that I can see. 108 again has the number scratched by with 55 or ss (quite difficult to tell) on the I'm Satisfied side  and s or 5 on the Blueberry Hill side. 107 has the number scratched in but there is nothing else that I can see  

There's also this strange, obvious boot with Brenda Holloway's "When I'm Gone' on the flip side - 

12 minutes ago, Soulandy said:

Interesting, my 112 has the number scratched in but no T1 that I can see. 108 again has the number scratched by with 55 or ss (quite difficult to tell) on the I'm Satisfied side  and s or 5 on the Blueberry Hill side. 107 has the number scratched in but there is nothing else that I can see  

My 108 has T1 on both sides. My 112 issue has T1 on both sides. My 112 promo has the same info but with

an X on the "Festival Time" side.

Also I forgot that Scott's on swingers has been bootleged on a white demo and a red issue but it was a promo only

More information on RT-109-X Here

On 20/01/2021 at 10:11, Ian Parker said:

i hve  a Styrene Laura Lee, with scratched in matrix.   apparently (from reliable sources) Legit. 

  

My styrene Laura Lee demo scratched in as well. Years ago I had a red issue that from memory was stamped but it could be just my memory playing tricks 

More information on RT-111 Here

With a reference to the earlier RT-101 and the "Bell Sound" STAMP

Whilst on the subject of Laura Lee To Win Your Heart and as much as I love the Ric-Tic Label.

It is absolutely gorgeous on Canadian RCA CANADA International.

I managed to get a copy last year after years of searching.